The New, Official JigglyPuff Match-Up Thread (Updated 10/14/08)

[Chaco]

**Note this topic is for keeping track of the match ups only. The actual discussions will be in different threads.

MK::Jiggles-- 60:40 Meta Knight

This isn't one of Jiggly's hardest match ups, it's easier than most think. It's one of those your either good at this match up or your not kinda things, this is exactly right. Jiggles has a good nair cancel on a few of his specials. This helps her out alot. My main thing to tell you is though do not gamble with drill rest so much. Hang back until it's near sure fire. You don't want to left open for an easy KO.

Use pivot grabs! I cannot stress this enough use them. Grabbing here is a different take on the match. Most MK's will not expect Jiggly to abuse grabs. Also make sure you pommel wafter grabbing, those extra percents could be vital in this match.

Make use of DACUS, it is something good to use. Use it but don't abuse it.
You also will want to use SHAD, this will keep the mindgames going. I'm talking use it in sets of 4. Then go in for a retreating fair, and then bait them for your grabs.

Do not let MK control the pace of the match. This is vital. You must keep him on his toes, not the other way around. You have to have a controlling factor. That is why using grabs is good. They are great to turn the speed of the match in your favor. Most smart MKs will get the idea that your baiting them so be undpredictable. If your too predictable you'll be *****, before you realize it.

Do not abuse roll out!!! It will not work, so do not try. You might get lucky but chances are your percentage of luck to punishment is 1:10. Luck is not on your side here. So play smart, or don't play it at all.

Use rest when needed, if you get caught in Whorenado, use your rest. Bait for rest too, if you are sure yo can get it or are ahead in the match, and can take a little punishment.

Make use of pound to cancel and out prioritize MK's aerials.

***Match Up Chart Added***
***Discussion 1 finished and finalized***

 

[eongilth]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for re-making this.

 

[Chaco]

Welcome, Welcome, and Welcome. I've asked Youko for a sticky.

 

[eongilth]

Cool beans.

Well, tiem to make a neu matergaem for the jiggz.

 

[Chaco]

Cool beans.

Well, tiem to make a neu matergaem for the jiggz.

That was a quick stickying.

And indeed.

 

[GeneralWoodman]

A main problem i had with mk is the fact that u can't use rollout on him. Mach pretty much stops any rollout from any area and is just not worth using on him. Fading fairs make him impossible to approach and the dreaded sheild grab/spotdodge downspash camp is also annoying. Even if u can stop mach with dair and wutever, u cannot beat a character without better priority air game, power, faster smashes, speed, and a move that is already broken and leaves u with only one useful b move that can be used continuously. Mk counters jigg, a pro mk will pwn a pro jigg it is inevitable

 

[eongilth]

1. Go to the current matchup thread and post there instead. It makes things a bit more organized, something the jigglypuff boards DESPERATELY needs.

2. Don't be so pessimistic. Read Thinkaman's guide. It will cheer you up. Here; have some delicious cake.

3. There are more things a jigg can use on metaknight than what thinkaman's guide said. Albeit, risky, but it may give an edge. THERE IS HOEP!!!!!1111oneoneelevensquiggs/p/

 

[GeneralWoodman]

thinkaman's guide was stupid in my opinion, spamming dair to rest is a bad idea and rollout which he suggested to use is stopped instantly by mach tornado, its a really tedious guide i thought it was a jk at first

 

[Chaco]

thinkaman's guide was stupid in my opinion, spamming dair to rest is a bad idea and rollout which he suggested to use is stopped instantly by mach tornado, its a really tedious guide i thought it was a jk at first

I kinda agree here.

But take it to the thread.

(I re-read it and what it says is kinda dumb at points. Your gonna get your *** ***** if you miss a drill rest.(

 

[eongilth]

Going by what you've said to me, you play a defensive jiggs. Gewd. There needs to be more of them.

 

[Chaco]

Going by what you've said to me, you play a defensive jiggs. Gewd. There needs to be more of them.

Yes I do. I use mindgames more so than anyone probably. I abuse grabs. I nair cancel attacks. And I use your force against you.

 

[rinoH]

nice job chaco

 

[Chaco]

Thanks. ^__^

 

[Chaco]

Updated. Dig it, and discuss it.

 

[Mmac]

You know, Instead of "Borrowing" my Matchup Chart, why don't you ask me to make you one?

 

[Glick]

I still disagree with the 6-4 match up. Srsly go find that thing I wrote lol. I cant find it. It was in some Jiggz counters MK thread. or some discussion about it.

 

[Tyser]

I think it's more of a 65:35 at least. Put the best MK (M2K) and the best Jiggz (Unknown) and the MK will ****. Even another MK player whose not the best (Dojo, Azen, DSF, etc) would poop on the best Jiggz out there I think. I honestly see this as an easy matchup for Meta Knight. Can I get a vid of a Jiggz doing well against a good MK please. This is the only thing that can convince me.

 

[Mmac]

I made you guys a Matchup Chart, so that you don't need to steal borrow my other one . All you have to do is add in the numbers

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8650/jigglypuffmatchupbf5.png

I made it all Pink and stuff to represent Jigglypuff best

 

[LouBega]

this is pretty sweet. especially the pinkness.

 

[Hoser]

Very nice job Mmac. You even used the character's red/pink costumes to match. XD

 

[eongilth]

I love you Mmac. Thank you very much for making this; we REALLY need it.

 

[Chaco]

Heh, sorry about that Mmac. That was for the time being until I could make one. But you beat me to it. thanks.

Now I can get rid of that discalimer.

 

[Tyser]

This matchup stuff died FAST!

 

[Amide]

This matchup stuff died FAST!

Lol I thought you weren't new to the Jiggs boards. Oh my gosh this thread now has TWO posts today. :o

By the way, pretty sexy format Chaco.

 

[Tyser]

We need moar!

 

[Chaco]

Indeed, we do, I guess we can start 3D tonight.

 

[Glick]

I love chaco and all. But I think someone else should be running the matchups. He just doesn't seem knowledgeable as a jiggz player. He seems to know brawl but his experience seems limited.

 

[illinialex24]

I love chaco and all. But I think someone else should be running the matchups. He just doesn't seem knowledgeable as a jiggz player. He seems to know brawl but his experience seems limited.

Yeah, I thought about that after the 40-60 Metaknight. Its fairly true but the way we got their seemed to make it such an overstatement for Jigglypuff... And Snake was a terrible discussion...

 

[Glick]

Jiggz is an even matchup still in my opinion vs MK. Snake has an advantage but there are some advantages to playing a jiggz vs a snake.

 

[Thinkaman]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5705165&postcount=79

Tell me any of these matchups anyone sees a big problem with, and we'll go from there.

 

[Mmac]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5705165&postcount=79

Tell me any of these matchups anyone sees a big problem with, and we'll go from there.

6:4
Yoshi

There's no way that Jigglypuff has a 6:4 Advantage on Yoshi. I know what Jigglypuff can do, and it's just not going to happen.

 

[Maniclysane]

There's no way that Jigglypuff has a 6:4 Advantage on Yoshi. I know what Jigglypuff can do, and it's just not going to happen.

Can you tell us why? >_>

 

[illinialex24]

There's no way that Jigglypuff has a 6:4 Advantage on Yoshi. I know what Jigglypuff can do, and it's just not going to happen.

That means 60-40 in Yoshi's favor... and his matchups are flawed because he's too good against the people he plays.

 

[M-WUZ-H3R3]

o_0 super smexi

 

[Amide]

There's no way that Jigglypuff has a 6:4 Advantage on Yoshi. I know what Jigglypuff can do, and it's just not going to happen.

I agree, but Thinkaman's opinion probably means more than yours. :/

 

[illinialex24]

I agree, but Thinkaman's opinion probably means more than yours. :/

Not really, Mmac is a respected user on these boards. Thinkaman is also too good for the people he plays, so its makes his matchups lopsided.

 

[Amide]

Good point, all I'm saying is that since Thinkaman wins so much, he does no what he's talking about most of the time. i think that Puff Yoshi is 6-4 in Yoshi's favor.

 

[PND]

So I just had a long post defending Thinkaman's numbers and how to approach the matchup, but my little brother just deleted it with his DS by laying it down on the keyboard.

So now I'm pissed, and will not get to reposting it for a while if ever.

But Thinkaman is right. 60-40 Jiggs vs Yoshi.

 

[Amide]

OK, this is really annoying me. Guess what the Ike boards think of the Puff matchup?

Ike advantage: 70:30

All I thought was "LOL!"

 

[Maniclysane]

OK, this is really annoying me. Guess what the Ike boards think of the Puff matchup?

Ike advantage: 70:30

All I thought was "LOL!"

lolololol. It's somewhat obvious none of them have fought a Jigglypuff player. They're just thinking about Jigglypuffs weight, not her moveset. Hell, you could probably use rollout safely because of his speed.