DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
Ninten wasn't in smash thus no one can be a clone of ninten. nice try.
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The Ness Support Thread
- Thread starter DekuBoy
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vesperview
Smash Hero
So in your book they're clones of each other in Smash but not in the Mother series? Nice logic, if anything is Ninten the one that should've been in Smash, try playing a Mother game before arguing about this.
PrettyGoodYear
Smash Lord
Ninten looks almost exactly the same as Ness. At least Lucas stands out more.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
Im talking only in context of smash, ninten has never been in smash so please stop bringing him up.
The more i thought about Ness and the mother serie, the more I begin to think he should be out. Why?
I see it this way. Not every nintendo franchises work the same. Some of them keep their main characters like Zelda, Mario and Kirby but some, like Fire Emblem and Mother, changes in almost every games due to their deeper story and the fact that these games are RPGs only.
So, I think changing Mother's representant in brawl would simply fit with the way the franchise works.
I see it this way. Not every nintendo franchises work the same. Some of them keep their main characters like Zelda, Mario and Kirby but some, like Fire Emblem and Mother, changes in almost every games due to their deeper story and the fact that these games are RPGs only.
So, I think changing Mother's representant in brawl would simply fit with the way the franchise works.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
Mother 3 was only released in japan... so basically Ness is the broader representation for the Mother/Earthbound series.
Good point.
However, the character doesn't need to be known worldwide to be featured in brawl. Ness would still fit, but Lucas' popularity is more than enough to represent the new Mother's face even in America. Ness is starting to get old and would deserve a spot much more than the IC or GW if it wasn't for Lucas.
And like i said, main characters change and so it does in SSB.
However, the character doesn't need to be known worldwide to be featured in brawl. Ness would still fit, but Lucas' popularity is more than enough to represent the new Mother's face even in America. Ness is starting to get old and would deserve a spot much more than the IC or GW if it wasn't for Lucas.
And like i said, main characters change and so it does in SSB.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
This can be disputed by that fact that Red was chosen over the Diamond Protagonist for the pokemon series.
vesperview
Smash Hero
Mother 2 wasn't released in Europe and it tanked in America, that's hardly an argument in favor of Ness.
PrettyGoodYear
Smash Lord
Well, Red *IS* a third generation trainer, I think it might have something to do with Fire Red and Leaf Green. He was in G/S/C too.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
but it was still released in more places than mother 3, and more likely people know Ness more than lucas due to his previous incantations in smash.
PrettyGoodYear
Smash Lord
But Lucas is more popular in Japan, the land that does give a **** about Mother.
AsbestosBlatant
Smash Journeyman
Ness is gonna be back, or else Sakurai would have referred to him as "a character from previous Smash titles," and would have made Lucas a carbon copy in terms of regular attacks as well. Ness is probably going to be the slower and stronger of the two.
What's more, can anybody actually cite the article in which Sakurai said he was going to replace Ness with Lucas in Melee, or is that just another "no more clones or iceclimbers" article?
What's more, can anybody actually cite the article in which Sakurai said he was going to replace Ness with Lucas in Melee, or is that just another "no more clones or iceclimbers" article?
PrettyGoodYear
Smash Lord
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/flash/0717/index.html
He said it there, right on Ness' Melee character profile.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
This isn't melee, it is brawl. Don't worry people make this mistake alot, they do not realize the massive amount of time Brawl was given compared to melee.
AsbestosBlatant
Smash Journeyman
As with everything that has 'disconfirmed' Ness, that's highly ambiguous. He says "at first" before he goes on to say he wanted Lucas in. Same with the "Until now" comment, which was translated in other languages as "so far" and other such things. Let's not forget that Handicaps were in "each Smash Brothers game until now".
Interesting how he chose to use Lucas in the handicap update, almost as if referencing his "until now" comment about Ness.
Interesting how he chose to use Lucas in the handicap update, almost as if referencing his "until now" comment about Ness.
vesperview
Smash Hero
So? Sakurai has clearly went through with what that profile states, he just makes it more blatantly obvious by bringing up Ness in every Lucas update.
Just like people will now know Lucas because of his appearance in Brawl, you're not winning anyone over with those arguments.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
I wonder if Lucas can surpass Ness... I guess we will never find out since Ness might be be getting replaced... (oh and I wasn't quoting sakurai... or was I?)
Its been said many times before... Sakurai has yet to say Ness is out, so why do you insist he is out?
AsbestosBlatant
Smash Journeyman
Some people hate the idea of falling out of the general consensus and using their own reasoning, so they let other people do that for them.
In other words: people are stubborn no matter what side of an issue they're on.
In other words: people are stubborn no matter what side of an issue they're on.
Big-Cat
Challenge accepted.
Sakurai probbly means that in anoter usage. By surpassing, he probably meant succession or beating a record which Lucas is essentially doing.
smasherboy13
Smash Cadet
Sign me up, I want my Ness.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
keyword: probably.
vesperview
Smash Hero
Because everything points that he is out, plus, that quote could mean that Lucas is just better than Ness was in Melee, not that they're gonna go face to face in Brawl.
PSIguy89
Smash Ace
i think it kinda sets up Ness and Lucas as rivals (or thats what i want to think)
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
The things you see pointing to him being out, I see them as pointing to him staying..
do you see what pointing does?
vesperview
Smash Hero
So having Sakurai wanting to replace Ness since Melee, having him take almost all of his B moves and him being more popular than Ness in Japan makes you think Ness is staying? God, denial at it's finest.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
If Sakurai does everything he wanted in melee, lets expect balloon fighter any day now...
they have "SIMILAR" b moves because as stated by that sakurai guy, they are in the same family of pk.
vesperview
Smash Hero
I don't have any problem with Balloon Fighter being in Brawl, and the only similar move is the standard B, all of the other moves are the same.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
What other moves are the same? besides up B
vesperview
Smash Hero
Are you blind or something? They're improved versions but they're clearly the same moves.
the_Capt_Falcon_Master
Smash Lord
well they could have just changed ness's moveset, and gave his old one to lucas (yes i realize this has probably been said before)
vesperview
Smash Hero
The question is, why would they do that? Ness didn't need a new moveset if anything Lucas should've had a unique moveset himself based on moves like PK Ground.
PSIguy89
Smash Ace
the only move that seems to be the same is PK thunder.....the others all have different effects
vesperview
Smash Hero
Ness would've had those improvements, I don't see the point in arguing the moves, they're PK Thunder, PSI Magnet and PK Fire, clearly upgraded, are you implying Ness is keeping the downgraded versions of those moves cause that would suck.
the_Capt_Falcon_Master
Smash Lord
mabye to finally give ness the moves he actually had in his game.
ThoraxeRMG
Smash Ace
WRONG!
An ALT costume would a stupid idea, Ness is a separate character
And how would you know that? ;D
It may be seem so, but it could be fitting.
vesperview
Smash Hero
Considering Lucas only has one move that actually belongs to him that's highly unlikely, not even his grab is his.
the_Capt_Falcon_Master
Smash Lord
well i cant say much cause i never played any earthbound/mother games nor have any substansal knowledge on them so i just go with what i hear. Anyways i dont think that any character with a original moveset will be cut, nor one the has been in all the smashes so far. Which means in my mind ness, falcon, juggly, m2, g&w, marth/roy, shiek, and luigi are all safe.
vesperview
Smash Hero
Not cutting a character just for a moveset? That's not a good reason, Sheik and Ness should both be cut and funny how you say "Marth/Roy", Roy is clearly not safe with your logic.
Cause it's his moveset, Duh!