DekuBoy
Smash Lord
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The Ness Support Thread
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NukeA6
Smash Master
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According to SamuraiPanda, "Up until now" appeared in the Japanese update.
To support Ness, I made a new moveset for him that could work. B-PK Flash: Just like in Melee but easier to control. B>-PSI Shield: It looks like PSI Magnet but it reflects projectiles and returns them but faster.B^-Yo-Yo Copter: Takes out his yo-yo and spins it around using it like a helicopter. B\/-PK Rockin: Stomps his foot and 3 boulders pop out of the ground. FS-PK Starstorm: Like Pit's FS but instead of little flying gnomes, there are stars.
Superninjabreadman
Smash Lord
Im fine with lucas in brawl. but ness' smash attacks are way better in my book. I'd like to see him back just to brag about being back. Then we get 100000000000000 "I thought ness was gone, but I was wrong!" threads.
Ness for Brawl!.
SNBM=220 posts.
Ness for Brawl!.
SNBM=220 posts.
PrettyGoodYear
Smash Lord
They got Mother 3 eventually because Mother 2 didn't flop there. Unlike America.Sadly in the states Earthbound is the latest game, meaning Ness is the latest internationally.
but Lucas does still count as the latest in Japan and apparently thats all that matters
ThoraxeRMG
Smash Ace
Me I have.
Have you actually played Mother 3? At all? I support this thread greatly.
PrettyGoodYear
Smash Lord
PSIguy89
Smash Ace
I own all 3 MOTHER games and have beaten all 3. (right now i'm still working on MOTHER 2 tho)
smashmaniac16
Smash Journeyman
im in because ness represents 2 characters: ninten and ness (ninten as a costume change in melee) he's pretty much confirmed in my book, then we will have all 3 of earthbound/mother's main characters in brawl
PrettyGoodYear
Smash Lord
Ness does not rep Ninten... like, at all.
ThoraxeRMG
Smash Ace
Of course, although it wasn't my copy of the game.
I recently imported the game for myself.
MarthTrinity
Smash Lord
Personally I've never played Mother 2 or 3 (been busting my rear trying to get a cheap-ish copy of Earthbound -.-) but that doesn't stop me from liking the character. You can like a character even if you've never played their original game. Sure you don't get the full experience, but we've probably all experienced Ness in the first two Smashes, and isn't that what really counts when it comes to Brawl?
vesperview
Smash Hero
It's different once you've played the game, as it is with any character I suppose, of course you can like it without having played the game, but I just hate the "supporters" who defend Ness's so called spot in Brawl, but they haven't even played his game, not to mention those people who hate Lucas for "replacing" Ness, but who haven't even played Mother 3.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
Ness being in smash for 2 games is good enough to build a fanbase without playing Earthbound.
vesperview
Smash Hero
That doesn't excuse them from hating Lucas or not even knowing Ness never had PK Thunder and Fire in his game.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
I agree that there should not be any hate towards Lucas, but I still believe it doesn't matter whether someone has played any of the MOTHER games to support Ness. I am not a big fan of the metroid series, but I am a huge Samus fan due to Melee.
MarthTrinity
Smash Lord
I don't hate Lucas myself, but I do know where you're coming from. I'd play both Mother 1,2 and 3 if I could. Most people who hate Lucas don't really HATE him so to say, but would just prefer Ness. That's kind of how I am, I prefer Ness to Lucas, but if Ness is gone I'm willing to accept Lucas. (Heck my main is Marth so I'm just supporting Ness for the heck of it ^^)
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
is it just me.. or did you just make a very good point
vesperview
Smash Hero
Yeah and there is a "But" and a complete change of the system implied right in the next sentence, your point?
My point being that "Up until now" means absolutely nothing substantial. Sakurai elaborating on that statement makes sense seeing as how, you know, the entire update is dedicated to the handicaps; the mentioning of Ness was in a Lucas update, so there'd be no reason to elaborate on whatever changes he may have made to Ness.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
It only proves that when sakurai says "until now" it can mean more than just "from ssb64 to melee"
thats how I see it.
thats how I see it.
vesperview
Smash Hero
He's saying he included handicaps that made you weaker up until now, but they were changed to just raising your damage meter.
Same way he's also saying, I've included Ness in all Smash games up until now, but now I've included Lucas who's similar.
They both mean he changed something that was in previous installments.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
He clearly says he included a Handicap system up until now, and then goes into the change towards the end.
That's what the entire update says - not that specific statement.
Let's take that sentence out of context. Assume that no handicap update had ever been posted, and all that had been said about handicaps was the above quote. Using your logic, Sakurai is saying that's he excluding handicaps from Brawl. After all, that's part of how you arrived at the conclusion that Ness has been removed, is it not?Smash Bros. DOJO!! said:
No... both statements simply mean, "In every previous Smash game, xxxx has appeared." The handicap update - not that specific quote - shows that Sakurai has changed the system.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
Vesp your just trying to reword it so it fits the point your trying to make. your logic was right.. up until now.
vesperview
Smash Hero
It's clearly implied that he has included those things in previous games but they were changed, seriously, not everything has to be said to people so explicitly for them to understand it, so you also think the previous type of handicap is returning?
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
You are still stuck on the change of handicap, and not Handicap in general, Sakurai comment that includes "until now" has nothing to do with the change in the system of handicap, it is just talking about handicap in general.
vesperview
Smash Hero
He is clearly saying he included that type of thing until now and changed it for a new type of thing, it's exactly what that means.
Once again, you're attributing the meaning of the entire update to one specific statement that means absolutely nothing. The quote itself does not mean "Well, I'm changing the way handicaps work"; it means, "I've included a handicap system in every previous installment." Same with the mentioning of Ness in the Lucas update: "I've included Ness in every previous installment." You cannot gather that Sakurai has changed the handicap system from that quote alone - you HAVE to read the entire update to figure that out.
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
This is how your reading it: "Until now handicap was like this, but now its like this"
This is what it actually says: " Handicap has been in smash until now(PERIOD). However it is different this time around(PERIOD). "
You basically combined two different passages to try and prove your point.
This is what it actually says: " Handicap has been in smash until now(PERIOD). However it is different this time around(PERIOD). "
You basically combined two different passages to try and prove your point.
Okay, then, let's try this.
Assume that on Monday, an item update is posted, and the following quote is included:
"Up until now, there's been a Red Shell item."
Does that statement mean:
a) The Red Shell will not appear in Brawl?
b) The Red Shell has appeared in previous installments of the Smash series?
Assume that on Monday, an item update is posted, and the following quote is included:
"Up until now, there's been a Red Shell item."
Does that statement mean:
a) The Red Shell will not appear in Brawl?
b) The Red Shell has appeared in previous installments of the Smash series?
vesperview
Smash Hero
He's speaking in past tense about Ness and then saying up until now, what do you think that means?
It's in the exact same tense used in the quote taken from the handicap update.
Smash Bros. DOJO!! said:
Smash Bros. DOJO!! said:
DeuceBlade
Smash Champion
I think Sakurai just loves Lucas... did you see his FS! compared to characters like donkey kong's FS
Lucas is clearly favored by Sakurai.
vesperview
Smash Hero
It still means there's been a change, you can't deny that, plus, it's made clearly more obvious in the Lucas update than in the handicaps update.
You're really just grasping now...
I can deny it, because it obviously does not mean there's been a change in the sense that something's being excluded from Brawl. The update shows us there's been a change, not that statement itself.
By the way, you didn't respond to my hypothetical situation:
As do Marth and Ike. I don't really see what point you're making here...