The most ridiculously impractical recovery idea ever

[A2ZOMG]

Well...assuming it works....and people can pull it off consistently...who knows. But you don't have to listen to me. Here is the idea I was thinking about.

The Ganon SUPER Jump. You all know how to do that right? (Jump + Wizard's Foot REALLY close to the ground, helps to have your midair jump expended already).

Now...I heard somewhere that Bowser can Klaw Hop on blast zone floors to guarantee he survives first when suicide KOing.

Now, what if you can do a SUPER jump on the blastzone floor?

Not like anyone will actually be able to do it consistently if it even works...but just saying.

If this **** actually does work, and someone figures out ways to do it consistently on certain stages, I propose it be called "The rise of Ganon". Because literally. He's rising from the freaking dead. And this could boost his recovery so much that he'd rise on the tier lists LOL!

But as I was saying, this is probably the most ridiculously impractical recovery idea ever LOL.

 

[hyperstation]

Well...assuming it works....and people can pull it off consistently...who knows. But you don't have to listen to me. Here is the idea I was thinking about.

The Ganon SUPER Jump. You all know how to do that right? (Jump + Wizard's Foot REALLY close to the ground, helps to have your midair jump expended already).

Now...I heard somewhere that Bowser can Klaw Hop on blast zone floors to guarantee he survives first when suicide KOing.

Now, what if you can do a SUPER jump on the blastzone floor?

Not like anyone will actually be able to do it consistently if it even works...but just saying.

If this **** actually does work, and someone figures out ways to do it consistently on certain stages, I propose it be called "The rise of Ganon". Because literally. He's rising from the freaking dead. And this could boost his recovery so much that he'd rise on the tier lists LOL!

But as I was saying, this is probably the most ridiculously impractical recovery idea ever LOL.

I have not heard about the Klaw Hop on blast zone floors, and nor did I know that bottom blast zones even HAD floors, but if this technique is possible, I'm going to make it happen.

We Ganons are such a bunch of dreamers. LOL.

 

[Z1GMA]

Dude... To see Ganon fall to his doom, in the bubble of danger, totally helpless.
And then, suddenly he flies up again, like a god who came back to life.

That would leave me in tears of exitement . .

 

[PoseidonsEnd]

Dude... To see Ganon fall to his doom, in the bubble of danger, totally helpless.
And then, suddenly he flies up again, like a god who came back to life.

That would leave me in tears of exitement . .

Best thing I have read all day.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Best thing I have read all day.

That's Ganon for us.

 

[Z1GMA]

Scenario:
Ganon's hanging on the ledge of let's say FD.
Snake has placed a C4 and a mine right next to you.
...Ganon goes under FD

***
btw, nice sig Kalm! I like the spinning triforce-pieces.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Holy ****, Ganon going under FD! Repeated rise of Ganons -> recover to other side!

 

[TP]

Rise of Ganon = broken stalling tech.

 

[SaltyKracka]

Rise of Ganon = broken gimping tech.

Fixed for something even better.

 

[TP]

Rise of Ganon = broken taunting tech.

This is the real purpose.

 

[A2ZOMG]

So, anyone have enough balls to actually test it out and see if it works? I suck and I don't have time to do that. =(

 

[Shadow Nataku]

If someone cares to link me to a video of Bowser doing it than I'd be willing to try it out with Ganon.

 

[A2ZOMG]

I think it is this vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W390iwUdsfw&feature=channel_page

 

[TP]

I don't think it has anything to do with Bowser's claw, sadly. Since the opponent dies first, Bowser goes back to neutral falling, since he is not using the move anymore, allowing him to do a regular jump.

In other words, /thread.

 

[A2ZOMG]

FOUND THE TOPIC.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=183527

*shrug*

NinjaLink said a long time ago you can infinite jump off the blastfloor. And he does this to guarantee suicide wins regardless of controller port and character.

 

[TP]

I repeal my previous statement. I would test this now, but I'm too busy watching Cataclysm. Ninjalink is currently losing to Atomsk, 1-0 in Winner's quarters.

 

[AgentJGV]

I swear, Ganon has the coolest tecs EVER! But i have a question...how would you be able to do it? you couldn't do wizkick cancel then jump could you?

 

[Z1GMA]

I swear, Ganon has the coolest tecs EVER! But i have a question...how would you be able to do it? you couldn't do wizkick cancel then jump could you?

Wizkick isn't necessary, it just makes FOG much easier to perform.

 

[Dr. Hyde]

How could this work is my only problem with jumping into this wonderful void Ganon Dreamery.
I tested characters that die at the same time as us, there's about half and the other half doesn't. So for Bowser it works b/c he doesn't die first, right? If I'm wrong here I'll retract the rest of my statment. The problem I see with this is if you die at the same time how would you cancel the F+B?

Or are wwe just gonna try and FoG out of H3LL?

 

[:034:]

Problems:

1. The 'death zones' are never clearly visible.
2. The timing for the FoG WITHOUT ANY FORM OF AID (ie airdodge/wizkick cancel) is on a completely different level, not even comparable to the Klaw Hop, which is too easy.

It would ****, but doing this would be... improbable. So we should obviously try it.

 

[ZeonStar]

Problems:

1. The 'death zones' are never clearly visible.
2. The timing for the FoG WITHOUT ANY FORM OF AID (ie airdodge/wizkick cancel) is on a completely different level, not even comparable to the Klaw Hop, which is too easy.

It would ****, but doing this would be... improbable. So we should obviously try it.

I like the way you think.

 

[:034:]

Hey now... I just had an idea.

What if we do the EXACT SAME as NL is doing with his Bowser? We Ganoncide our opponent, drag them down into the abyss, hold down and mash Y-B (or however you want to activate FoG), making us come out of the abyss while our opponent goes to die.

We KNOW the opponent will keep going. It happens with the Cypher Gimp, and the Lavacides. This will take away the problem of killing ourselves with Wizkick, the timing and the fact that death zones aren't visible. Granted, it's still a gamble and not certain to work... But it might.

I'll test it after school, see what I got.

 

[Z1GMA]

I tried it for like 40 minutes.
I wasn't able to pull it off ;/

Too hard when I can't see the floor.

btw, is it possible to buffer FOG out of an aerial attack?
It doesn't seem to work when I try it.

 

[Phantom7]

Pretty cool idea, but I don't think that will work. But what is the blastzone floor?

Btw, Rise of Ganon? Nice name, dude.

 

[Z1GMA]

But what is the blastzone floor?

The south blastzone . .

 

[TP]

btw, is it possible to buffer FOG out of an aerial attack?
It doesn't seem to work when I try it.

It is assumed to be possible, since there is no reason it shouldn't be, but nobody has ever done it. All we can do is out of a Wizkick roll or an air dodge.

 

[ItemfinderDeluxe]

Perhaps you could test for the blastzone floor using a character who can easily recover from that distance (Pit, possibly 3D & Kirby)? Float around the bottom to see how low you could actually go before dying, and then convert it into an approximate line where ROG could work from.

The Bowser thread also noted a couple of initial problems with blast-klawing (as I call it), and perhaps some of those issues might need to be addresed for ROG (some stages not working, controller ports, etc).

 

[Teronist09]

I spent a good 3-4 hours trying to klaw hop and fog blast zones, and for the last hour or so I moved the camera down to see the blast zone, but I had zero success doing either.
Has anyone else at least gotten klaw hop to work? Even looking at the blast zone I couldn't get it without slowing down.

 

[hyperstation]

It is assumed to be possible, since there is no reason it shouldn't be, but nobody has ever done it. All we can do is out of a Wizkick roll or an air dodge.

Wrong. I have. But then again, that's only because I'm just THAT. D*MN. GOOD.

Both UAir and DAir can be used for ISJR, which means they can also be used for FoG. Maybe BAir too, but I can't remember.

P.S. - I WILL make this work. I like FD's idea, but I doubt it will work. The reason it worked for NL with bowser is because Bowser kills his foe before he dies. I think that Ganon might die WITH or even BEFORE his foe. Not sure.

 

[A2ZOMG]

So....nobody has actually tried to make sure you can infinite jump with Bowser on the blastzone floor? I'm just checking here because I have zero time to test stuff at the moment.

 

[TP]

Wrong. I have. But then again, that's only because I'm just THAT. D*MN. GOOD.

Both UAir and DAir can be used for ISJR, which means they can also be used for FoG. Maybe BAir too, but I can't remember.

Have you actually gone straight from an aerial into a FoG? If so, you really, really should have posted it in the FoG thread. I think I would have remembered if you did.

 

[hyperstation]

Have you actually gone straight from an aerial into a FoG? If so, you really, really should have posted it in the FoG thread. I think I would have remembered if you did.

Assuming you're talking about the same "straight from aerial into FoG" that I am - meaning UAir -> DJ -> FoG - then yes. As a matter of fact, it may have been UAir -> UAir -> FoG, but I'm not sure...it was months ago and it was only once. I've never connected an aerial with an opponent then FoGed, however. It's ridiculously hard to do, but I don't think I'm the only one (Swoops?)

 

[Shadow Nataku]

I'm gonna say I've given up, even if someone else manages it its near impossible to see the blast zone floor let alone time it.

 

[Dr. Hyde]

If I have no hope to come back I am gonna keep trying it. Not like save my last jump but if I'm doomed then I'm gonna try and get back in one glorious moment of hope.

 

[Phantom7]

I'm gonna say I've given up, even if someone else manages it its near impossible to see the blast zone floor let alone time it.

Oh, so the blast zone is the KO area, right? Sorry, I've never heard it called that before. But, yes it does seem near impossible to do. I haven't tried it yet, but I feel like I'd be wasting my time trying to find the blastzone floor. Basically, I've given up before I've even started.

 

[IrohDW]

Perhaps someone could use hacking to make the blast zone floor visable and/or alter the camera angle so that it could easily be seen.

I think that the possibilities are too good for this to be ignored. If this tech is possible, then Ganon could recover from gimping which could make some matchups easier.

 

[fromundaman]

Oh, I just now saw this thread. This would be awesome if it works. However, it will not work with the aerial choke since Ganon dies first. (To check, take two controllers, set it to one stock and do a choke. Ganon will always lose the match.)

 

[☆_Mutha-Foxin GangstaKirby_☆]

theres a hack that allows you to play the game frame by frame... maybe this could be used to test it, in a fixed angle brawl find the frame u die at then do the flight of ganon 1 frame before that thext time u jump off

 

[Teronist09]

theres a hack that allows you to play the game frame by frame... maybe this could be used to test it, in a fixed angle brawl find the frame u die at then do the flight of ganon 1 frame before that thext time u jump off

you can't fog with debug menu. Even if you could you can't bounce off the blast zone.

 

[☆_Mutha-Foxin GangstaKirby_☆]

you can't fog with debug menu. Even if you could you can't bounce off the blast zone.

its not the debug menu its the press start to stop frames then z to advance one frame at a time frames code, ive done ganons super jump with it b4 it can be done that way