warionumbah2
Smash Master
MK isn't winning **** in Japan and he never will.
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Social The MKGD: The rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated
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Stickmanlolz
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Yet despite being a joke character there was a clear effort given to make her balanced and viable(or at least when the game came out she was) They even gave her a character archetype as an aerial master glass cannon who looks weak, but is surprisingly deadly. When the second part of the archetype does not fit correctly then they should feel the need to change it
Holy **** dude like just stop. If you seriously think jiggs is a good character i truly feel sorry for u, but im going to give u the benefit of the doubt and say that you're just memeing really hard.
She's not a glass cannon when she literally gets punished for pushing buttons with a powershield > charged upsmash every time she does so. Hell most characters can punish her even hitting them at ANY percent.
C0rvus
Pro Hands Catcher
Puff isn't a glass canon. She's a paper slingshot.
...Or something.
...Or something.
Xandercosm
Smash Lord
Pretty much sums up Smash 4 Jiggs perfectly. She's such an unfortunate character...
BunbUn129
Smash Ace
About getting rid of the SDI multiplier, was there ever an instance where the developers scaled back or at least partially undid a nerf?
In bowsers case they scaled back a buff, we will see
Shadow Keebey
Smash Hero
I think they done so with Samus' F-tilt in the newest patch. The buffs to it overrode the nerf to it in 1.0.6 .
BunbUn129
Smash Ace
Confirmed for patch 1.1.6:
Drill Rush will be replaced with Needle Storm.
Drill Rush will be replaced with Needle Storm.
The Goldenbrawler
Smash Ace
Lucina Main, Emblem Boards happens, gets Fem Corrin Avatar. WHAT IS THIS GARBAGE? *Ahem* That's quite the missed opportunity if I do say so myself.
On a more related note, I still have hopes for MK. 1 combo loss is nothing, we've still got plenty of options, plus the fair buff has proven quite nice.
On a more related note, I still have hopes for MK. 1 combo loss is nothing, we've still got plenty of options, plus the fair buff has proven quite nice.
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Pretty sure avatars are randomized.
But I got lucky enough with Azura
But I got lucky enough with Azura
Sol0ke
Smash Ace
Oh god why did I get a flat character for my avatar
Steelballray
Smash Journeyman
I come back to see you guys getting trolled like there is no tomorrow.. Welp.
I'm switching to Mewtwo I think.. 6 frames fair that does 13 damage and hit like a truck, we take those. He also has a better MU vs Rosa than MK. (At least our Rosa)
Still gonna go MK in the next monthly since it's doubles but idk. I can still KO well with DA>SL and F-throw>SL and stutter step F-smash but eh.. I'm just not feeling him anymore. ):
Dying really early with Mewtwo feels super weird tho... 2nd lightest character.
Its also weird that I switched to MK than Abadango did, I switched to Mewtwo and I find that he did too. My top tier sensors are strong :b
Edit: Ike.. Not bad.
I'm switching to Mewtwo I think.. 6 frames fair that does 13 damage and hit like a truck, we take those. He also has a better MU vs Rosa than MK. (At least our Rosa)
Still gonna go MK in the next monthly since it's doubles but idk. I can still KO well with DA>SL and F-throw>SL and stutter step F-smash but eh.. I'm just not feeling him anymore. ):
Dying really early with Mewtwo feels super weird tho... 2nd lightest character.
Its also weird that I switched to MK than Abadango did, I switched to Mewtwo and I find that he did too. My top tier sensors are strong :b
Edit: Ike.. Not bad.
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iVoltage
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Who is my avatar I haven't played much fire emblem
Selkie, also wtf i want selkie get off my waifu
iVoltage
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fight me scurb oh wait you cant hahahaha
Sol0ke
Smash Ace
Got 9th out of 34 at my college tournament this weekend, went all MK. There's room for improvement, going to keep working at it.
Freakzoid9000MS
Smash Cadet
Anyone have a link to the MK Skype or discord group? I want to check it out and see what it's like.
warionumbah2
Smash Master
I went and labbed the tumble animation %s on the cast(dont have Lucas, don't care about Miis), the Uair is fresh. Staleness and Rage effects when the opponent enters tumble which is a shame, fetching these numbers is possible but A) Time consumption is off the chart B) Its impossible to present it in a way in which others can benefit from. Way too many numbers to remember.
When your opponent is in tumble they can easily SDI the Uairs, but when they aren't they cannot SDI or at least its weaker(someone confirm). Rosalina for example dies to Uair combos before she enters tumble, with every Uair staling the percent where she enters tumble moves further away as well.
The nerfs sucks ******** man. SFV is hella addicting tho and i got Alex so its all good.
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When your opponent is in tumble they can easily SDI the Uairs, but when they aren't they cannot SDI or at least its weaker(someone confirm). Rosalina for example dies to Uair combos before she enters tumble, with every Uair staling the percent where she enters tumble moves further away as well.
The nerfs sucks ******** man. SFV is hella addicting tho and i got Alex so its all good.
Freakzoid9000MS
Smash Cadet
This info is very useful and can be used to prove people wrong who think the Uair combos that we post here aren't true or won't work against a good player. Very nice work. I may try to help you with figuring out rage and staleness effects with the Uair as well when I lab since I lab everyday pretty much for about 30 mins to an hour.I went and labbed the tumble animation %s on the cast(dont have Lucas, don't care about Miis), the Uair is fresh. Staleness and Rage effects when the opponent enters tumble which is a shame, fetching these numbers is possible but A) Time consumption is off the chart B) Its impossible to present it in a way in which others can benefit from. Way too many numbers to remember.
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When your opponent is in tumble they can easily SDI the Uairs, but when they aren't they cannot SDI or at least its weaker(someone confirm). Rosalina for example dies to Uair combos before she enters tumble, with every Uair staling the percent where she enters tumble moves further away as well.
The nerfs sucks ******** man. SFV is hella addicting tho and i got Alex so its all good.
Freakzoid9000MS
Smash Cadet
http://oddshot.tv/shot/hysranai-2016040511543338
Lucia (one of Japan's top MKs) gets absolutely destroyed XD
Lucia (one of Japan's top MKs) gets absolutely destroyed XD
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BunbUn129
Smash Ace
Getting rekt by Bayo really doesn't count, ya know. Every character has their own oddshot of them getting rekt by her.
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Memess ahhhhh
Bayo isnt even that hard to deal with, learn the mu and stop playing so afraid lol
That said Lucia was pretty unimpressive prepatch so hes going to be pretty unimpressive post patch as well
Also lol @ the possibility that rosa loses the mk mu harder than before, love it.
Bayo isnt even that hard to deal with, learn the mu and stop playing so afraid lol
That said Lucia was pretty unimpressive prepatch so hes going to be pretty unimpressive post patch as well
Also lol @ the possibility that rosa loses the mk mu harder than before, love it.
warionumbah2
Smash Master
They nerf the character but end up making MU(s) better by a little bit. Fair is super useful in that MU and instead of dying below 10% she dies around 17-20%. Almost as if they want MK to beat her.
Hope they can expand further on this Fair buff next patch.
Hope they can expand further on this Fair buff next patch.
BunbUn129
Smash Ace
Fair needs just 2 more less frames of lag to make it really, really good in a short-hop. There's a chance they'll give move landing lag buffs considering they reduced the lag on M2's aerials over multiple patches.
I was very surprised to see they didn't go only with nerfs and actually gave a token buff. Shows the devs aren't brainlessly throwing nerfs out.
I was very surprised to see they didn't go only with nerfs and actually gave a token buff. Shows the devs aren't brainlessly throwing nerfs out.
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Xandercosm
Smash Lord
Which is a good thing but he deserves more. 4 frames off an aerial isn't gonna make up for losing a death combo but it's still nice. Hopefully, next patch they can fix some of his longtime issues by reducing landing lag on more of his aerials and maybe fixing some hitboxes (D-tilt).
But, more than that, I'm really hoping Bayo gets a nerf.
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I don't know if you guys already discussed it, but what do you think about Bidou for MK? I am not 100% certain of its restrictions but I know that being proficient in the air is much harder with such a control scheme. My biggest concern though is the u-air combos b/c sometimes you need to follow their DI and fastfall at the same time, something that is seemingly impossible with Bidou. I will more than likely not use it, but I'm interested in what you guys think.
No character deserves to be better than others. What gives MK the right in particular? The way character hierarchy comes about is entirely down to the raw characteristics that they have when designed. It isn't to do with where they used to be, despite the fact that people argue this point all the time, about their character being high tier or low tier in past games/patches so they "deserve" to be really good this time. It doesn't make much sense.
Because of the nerf to Uair combos, MK went from one of the best and most bull**** characters in the game, to still a pretty good character. He even received some compensation for it. I'm grateful for that cause I know it could have turned out much worse.
Only thing I'm after now is RCO lag removal. Dtilt animation could be fixed I guess but nah to a range increase, it's wicked already.
warionumbah2
did you think your post on MK Up air tumble shenanigans deserved to be in it's own thread??
Xandercosm
Smash Lord
I think you took what I said wrong. I just meant that it would be cool if he got more compensation buffs. Not that the dev team is obligated to or something. Also, MK wasn't "one of the most bull**** characters in the game" before the nerf. He was a fair character with a dangerous combo that the opponent had to play carefully around.
Freakzoid9000MS
Smash Cadet
"MK wasn't one of the most bs characters." Hah you make funny joke. But in all seriousness, what you just said is wrong in so many ways.
I took what you said right, you just phrased it weirdly which is fine, everyone does it sometimes.
The ability to reliably take stocks at sub-40% from the entire cast from a variety of confirms really was some bull****, however you spin it. Try to imagine in a couple of years time if Uair went untouched, where it's not just three top players with the ability to do this consistently in tournament, but most high- and top-level MK players instead.
The ability to reliably take stocks at sub-40% from the entire cast from a variety of confirms really was some bull****, however you spin it. Try to imagine in a couple of years time if Uair went untouched, where it's not just three top players with the ability to do this consistently in tournament, but most high- and top-level MK players instead.
C0rvus
Pro Hands Catcher
He still loses that MU now, no? For the same reasons even. Idk. There would certainly be little holding him back. And that may be the case in the future since I'm fairly certain MK won't be on the chopping block ever again, and some other characters are likely to get nerfed more.
If nothing else, he'll always have his niche of ******* on Rosalina lol. (Even if Cloud does it easier...)
If nothing else, he'll always have his niche of ******* on Rosalina lol. (Even if Cloud does it easier...)
Xandercosm
Smash Lord
Well, maybe if perfected to the point of one DA or D-tilt or something meaning instant death, I could see him being OP. I guess that probably would have happened too. Anyway, at the end of the day, all I was saying is that it would be sweet to get more compensation buffs but it's no big deal either way.
Steelballray
Smash Journeyman
OPINION TIME! neither Cloud or MK (Even pre patch MK) beat Rosa.
I mean, regular Rosas can get destroyed by MKs if they're not careful, but they have more than enough tools to stop themselves from getting stairway'd.
Cloud just.. Lose. A very simple yet effective Down Smash option select shuts his "safe" dair approach down completely (Most characters can do the same, really.)
Uh, no. Sorry.