The Metagame Discussion Thread

[ss118]

Oh hey I used that set!

It's in one of my maaaaaaaany RMTs. lol

 

[Wave⁂]

Jirachi has so many viable and semi-viable sets, it's ridiculous.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Jirachi running Wish / Cosmic Power / Charge Beam / Water Pulse are pretty boss.

Anyways, are we going to merge the two threads or what...?

-Terywj

 

[ss118]

I don't know why after someone made a thread, someone else necro-'d this one.

=/

 

[Wave⁂]

Charge Beam Jirachi seems like an all-around awesome set.

 

[ss118]

90% accuracy is a *****, though.

I used Wide Lens on mine. Helped with Doom Desire, as well. I suggest starting with Dual Screens, though.

 

[Wave⁂]

I dunno if it's worth the loss of Leftovers recovery.

Doom Desire's 8 max PP is disappointing.

 

[Metal~Mario]

120 BP that pierces typing?

Had to have some sort of drawback.

 

[ss118]

If you kill 6 opponents in a row the 8 PP doesn't matter.

 

[Wave⁂]

If you kill 6 opponents in a row the 8 PP doesn't matter.

This is very true. Though that stupid SubRoost Zapdos will screw you over.

 

[ss118]

if you have +6 I'm sure Charge Beam could beat it.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Zapdos could just stall jirachi out of PP if it were a subroosting set.

12 charge beams and 4 doom desires away from making jirachi totally useless.

 

[ss118]

not actually.

get +6 SpA, then use doom desire. on the 3rd turn use charge beam to break the sub and kill with doom desire.

Now I want to make a team based around Doom Desire Jirachi. I guess it would be possible to use on the defensive Jirachi CM sets. Hell, even without CM it'd be a *****.

 

[choknater]

ur speakin my language ss118

that thing is the cutest thing ive ever used

i love killing even ttars and latis when they switch in on a doom desire that was used on something else

i feel like it needs to be supported by stuff that can beat heatran, earthquakers (which is like everything), and pp stallers

but once those are gone

doom jirachi literally tears through everything

lol

and i like when slow earthquakes do less than 37% after a cosmic power, rare but it happens sometimes

 

[Terywj [태리]]

i love killing even ttars and latis when they switch in on a doom desire that was used on something else

Well that's why it can be so effective, right? Doom Desire targets the Sp. Def. stat of the Pokemon you used it on, not on the one it hits.

Kill a Blissey with it, and then party. XD

-Terywj

 

[ss118]

what the heck do you use Doom Desire on that kills Blissey afterwards?

 

[kirbyraeg]

maybe something dumb like a rhyperior.

once you're at +6. :D

 

[Terywj [태리]]

what the heck do you use Doom Desire on that kills Blissey afterwards?

*Lists Pokemon with silly Special Defense scores*

-Terywj

 

[Cease Tick]

Shouldn't this be in the pokemon lab?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Wait. Shouldn't this be in the Battle Tower? This is purely competitive.

 

[CRASHiC]

There's a lot of confusion between Battle Tower and Poke Lab right now, mostly because Poke Lab use to be the place for the best competitive pokemon people only.

But yeah, this should be in Pokecenter.
So, SHOULD Latias be banned, if she is, what do you expect to come of it? What drastic changes to the Metagame would you expect to occur? I imagine TTar's useage would drop largely, but that's rather obvious. Perhaps Sczior too? he's still a beast without or without Latias running around, but with Latias and ChoiceTars he gets to have even more fun.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I don't know about Infernape usage, but with Latias gone perhaps it will become more favored, and as a result Tentacruel usage would also rise along with it.

 

[ss118]

I don't think Latias needs to go, personally. It's usage does have a tremendous effect on what is being used, as does Salamence. Scarfed Tyranitar(what would have been considered a gimmick) is now rising tremendously in usage, and is the current metagame's most overwhelming set because of how much it can force into a pure "dead" scenario. Scarfed Scizor can do it, too, but isn't used enough because everyone relishes it's STAB, Tech'd Bullet Punch too much so it won't gain popularity until the smogon analysis is finished. And I used it on my "purely gimmick" team that got an amazing amount of wins.

It went Scarfed Scizor Starter, Expert Belt Latias(Gimmick at the time), WishMence(still gimmick but worked well with the team), Special Attacking Tyranitar(Dark Pulse, Flamethrower, Ice Beam and Superpower: nothing T-Tar does is gimmick), Specially Defensive+Trapping Heatran(Magma Storm, Stealth Rock, Taunt, Explosion: best for clearing Blissey and letting Latias sweep), and a "wall-breaker" gyarados(Waterfall, Earthquake, Taunt, and filler[usually Stone Edge]).

As you can see it was top 6 pokemon with random sets, in order.

 

[Riddle]

I prefer Crunch > Dark Pulse on that ttar. Lures in scizor better. and mukking up scizor is the best thing ever.

 

[ss118]

Yeah but I like to 2HKO Hippowdon/ Swampert/ Rotom that come into Dark Pulse

 

[Riddle]

Haha I totally forgot this was OU. Need to stop thinking everybody plays ubers. However, I still see the merit of crunch since Latias <3's scizor dead and can handle the other three.

 

[Wave⁂]

Yeah but I like to 2HKO Rotom that come into Dark Pulse

Rotom? Switching into Tyranitar? With Dark-type STAB moves?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Rotom? Switching into Tyranitar? With Dark-type STAB moves?

I was pointing this out.

Also, Rotom only has the same base defense stat as special defense.

 

[ss118]

Rotom's come into Tyranitar on the revenge to attempt to neutralize it with WoW.

When they do I get to lol at them

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Rotom's come into Tyranitar on the revenge to attempt to neutralize it with WoW.

When they do I get to lol at them

Again, why would Rotom switch into Tyranitar bar on a predicted Earthquake?

 

[Metal~Mario]

Pivot?

I dunno

 

[Wave⁂]

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72048

I feel like I'm reading this wrong, since there is no way on earth Latias is Uber.

Anyways, Salamence is countered by Stealth Rock

 

[ss118]

Nope. Latias is gone. I don't really care, but meh w/e.

I don't think Mence is uber and I'll fight to ensure his stay in OU.

 

[Wave⁂]

Wow. Just... wow.

Have a party, Infernape.

 

[ss118]

Pretty much.

Just go CC/Overheat/ThunderPunch/Filler with max attack + speed. With SR up, you pretty much 2HKO everything by CCing first. If you don't, either have a lure/ check for it or use the filler space to specifically design this infernape to finish it. Suicune gets annoying, well use Grass Knot. Plain and simple.

Note: this is to be used in the metagame WITHOUT Salamence. Even with mence, you could use this to take off a huge chunk if it ever shows its face.

 

[Wave⁂]

Infernape outspeeds Salamence, so get some HP Ice and HP Ice it.

 

[ss118]

you could but that's very limiting, imo

 

[kirbyraeg]

Infernape needs to run swords dance more with latias gone.

SD/FB/CC/Stone Edge(U-turn)

Scouts, can sweep late-game, has great power, nice speed, and will destroy things once everything faster is trapped and killed off.

 

[Wave⁂]

I wonder if Tentacruel usage will go up. That'll probably save it from UU, lol

Swords Dance Nape gets worn down by Flare Blitz recoil, something I don't really like all that much. I'm still a big fan of the good ol' four-attack Infernape.

I'm guessing most teams will be carrying Gyarados, Infernape, Lucario, xor Gliscor. CroCune and Empoleon might be more popular.

Starmie might be a nice Latias replacement.

 

[Fuelbi]

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72048

I feel like I'm reading this wrong, since there is no way on earth Latias is Uber.

Anyways, Salamence is countered by Stealth Rock

Great, first Latias and now Salamence

My team is getting destroyed more and more by the second >_>