shinobibeat
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For the characters that you have trouble against, may I ask what you have trouble against when facingMain here and I secondary
with a pocket
I mostly have trouble withand
Thinking about dropping
since she also doesn't counter them very well to support my main. Any pocket suggestions?
Main here and I secondary
with a pocket
I mostly have trouble withand
Thinking about dropping
since she also doesn't counter them very well to support my main. Any pocket suggestions?
Ok so that was a horrible answer to my suggestion "At least say no I hate Cloud" or "I love Shulk too much dropping him is not an option" I am giving an answer from a competitive standpoint. I feel like Cloud is superior to Shulk in most areas meaning that he would probably better to play with a Villager. I would like to add that the 55:45 matchup Rosa VS Shulk is false according to Dabuz's MU chart Shulk is dominated by Rosa (I don't have exact #s) Cloud would help with that matchup. In short either give me an answer/reason for why you pick Shulk over Cloud or say it is a personal loyalty/hatredExcuse me??? Do you not know The Monado's Power??? *clears throat* Sorry, got a little... triggered.
You'll be have to look out forMore curiosity than anything, but if I mainwith a solid pocket
, is there any MU that Team Fabulous here needs to watch out for?
We get it, you’re triggered and all that nonsense. But if you have problem with what people say, address it to them directly. Don’t out people because they take an entire smash boards page worth of redundant analysis.Ok so that was a horrible answer to my suggestion "At least say no I hate Cloud" or "I love Shulk too much dropping him is not an option" I am giving an answer from a competitive standpoint. I feel like Cloud is superior to Shulk in most areas meaning that he would probably better to play with a Villager. I would like to add that the 55:45 matchup Rosa VS Shulk is false according to Dabuz's MU chart Shulk is dominated by Rosa (I don't have exact #s) Cloud would help with that matchup. In short either give me an answer/reason for why you pick Shulk over Cloud or say it is a personal loyalty/hatred
Don't give trash.
Moving on "Hey, I'm a cloud main. I found that a lot of the players I fight don't do well against solid defense and projectile play. I've been thinking along those lines for a secondary, who would you recommend" I apologize I know my advice might be a bit drastic but at least read and consider it with an open mind. I am going to be frank, Cloud is not an excellent solo main, he is actually a bad one. I personally would not advise using Cloud as a main in general. Cloud is viewed by the smash community as a godlike secondary. I would find a new main and use Cloud as a pocket or secondary. Since Cloud covers so many MUs I would find a tech heavy main who differs from Cloud like maybe a Sonic, Villager, Pikachu, Metaknight, ect.
If you think I am crazy then you could do a different path, if you want to continue maining Cloud then I would use Megaman. Megaman is a god a even matchups and is more of a projectile and defensive playstyle. I am not going to lie, Cloud has not very many advanced tech skills and advanced combos. So you have plenty of time left over, So going someone with some "wonky tech skills" I would say is a good idea.
Nice_FZPSC.42 Ok mate don't give the poor guy false information just because you want to look like you know what you are talking about.
Are the projectile characters so one of them. First of all I wouldn't give him Samus becuase her projectile game is really bad. the Only decent projectile she has is Charge shot and the rest of her projectiles are just one trick ponies so I would not include in the list. If he wants GOOD projectile game supporting a defensive playstyle I would say Robin, Villager, Megaman, and TL. Also you forgot Link in your list. This is such a lazy answer because you should also look for compatibility with Cloud and other match ups before making this list.
Ralugi Ok So please tell me you were sick the day you wrote this "I'd chop that list down to Villager and Robin. The rest have some wonky tech"
So lets look at this Robin is crazy complicated He call for exteme situational awareness and knowledge of different jabs hit boxes different neutral Bs and Aerials with Thoron. Villager has some crazy tech, his infinite, aerial strings, rocket setups and defensive tree plays with the crazy woodchip combos. Ok and When does Samus have some "wonky tech" (In comparison to Villager and Robin) Seriously man are you kidding me? the rest I can agree on with your assesment of tech.
Bottom line for youRalugi Most characters with heavy projectile game are going to be tricky to use and have amazing tech and setups, there is not really any way around it.
Nice_FZPSC.42 and @Ralug Take more time and effort into your answers and try to be constructive on the forums or just don't talk at all. I repeat
"Don't give trash"
We get it, you’re triggered and all that nonsense. But if you have problem with what people say, address it to them directly. Don’t out people because they don’t take an entire smash boards page worth of redundant analysis.
Asking someone not to talk is rude at best, and ignorant at worst. This is a place where people speak their minds, no matter how small their opinions might seem. Besides, it's not your jurisdiction to tell people what they can and cannot say.
PS: "Don’t Give people Trash."
Not a bad idea really. If you wanna then go for it.Should I main my secondary,?
I play, so I wanna know if it's a good idea.
The only reason I did not address you all individually was because I wanted to talk to 3 of you and I figured that this would be more efficient. I am not telling you to not talk at all calm down I requested that you take more thought and effort in your opinions before you posted the OR I said it would be better if you did not talk at all. "We get it, you’re triggered and all that nonsense. But if you have problem with what people say, address it to them directly. Don’t out people because they take an entire smash boards page worth of redundant analysis.
Asking someone not to talk is rude at best, and ignorant at worst. This is a place where people speak their minds, no matter how small their opinions might seem. Besides, it's not your jurisdiction to tell people what they can and cannot say.
PS: "Don’t Give people Trash."
Dude I would not ask questions on this forums until you can find some consistency with matchups and pockets. At this point you are cycling so fast that there is literally no point in answering because by the time I answer you have new matchup issues and you suddenly quit your pocket.I use. She goes even with
but if you aren't careful it'll be tough. Larry Lurr also says mewtwo wins or atleast goes even.
But either way betweenand
,
is the better choice so I'd recommend you go with him.
I forgot to edit out zss I goofed there. Her being tough to get a grab with wasnt working out for me. So I'm not considering g her anymore and just the other 4I thought you said you had a pocket ZSS 3 days ago.... (Monday 10/24/16)
Dude I would not ask questions on this forums until you can find some consistency with matchups and pockets. At this point you are cycling so fast that there is literally no point in answering because by the time I answer you have new matchup issues and you suddenly quit your pocket.
My previous answer still stands I would use Mario as a pocket for afore mentioned reasons
Do you need a pocket? Your combination of Roy and Sonic does not seem to have too many flaws so unless you do not enjoy the way they work, you should stick with them and have some fun. After all, ssb4 is played for fun(competitive fun too) so you don't need to have a secondary character just because the matchup is not in your favour. The only reason I dwindled with Luigi is because Wii fit trainer gets obliterated by a small puffball by the name of Kirby. Just have fun, only play a secondary if they fit your playstyle.I forgot to edit out zss I goofed there. Her being tough to get a grab with wasnt working out for me. So I'm not considering g her anymore and just the other 4
I really struggle againstDo you need a pocket? Your combination of Roy and Sonic does not seem to have too many flaws so unless you do not enjoy the way they work, you should stick with them and have some fun. After all, ssb4 is played for fun(competitive fun too) so you don't need to have a secondary character just because the matchup is not in your favour. The only reason I dwindled with Luigi is because Wii fit trainer gets obliterated by a small puffball by the name of Kirby. Just have fun, only play a secondary if they fit your playstyle.
I'm a player who hates dittos and I won't have a good time with full on sonic solo mainers in my region. And I want a pocket for all 6 because I've tried using Sonic or Roy in that matchup and just really had a hard time and I wanna use 3 characters anyway so getting a pocket is the best option in my opinion."I really struggle against"
plays
Just practice those matchups and see what character does best in them. Sonic goes even with Sonic, and can really mess with Cloud. Mega Man and Bowser I can understand, you could use someone likeor
for those two, but you can handle the rest.
Or, of course, keep playing Pikachu...
My search is over. I will continue mainingwith secondaries
. And if I really need another character (which I'm almost certain I don't), that'll be
.
General rule(for me) is to secondary a character that your main can deal with. I would not sonic ditto either if I was not a sonic main. A Cloud would not co-main sheik because sheik ditto so would not be favourable and you would not want to do cloud vs sheik.I'm a player who hates dittos and I won't have a good time with full on sonic solo mainers in my region. And I want a pocket for all 6 because I've tried using Sonic or Roy in that matchup and just really had a hard time and I wanna use 3 characters anyway so getting a pocket is the best option in my opinion.
Oh and Pika is just to technical to learn at such an early stage so I'm reserving him for a future main with Mega Man.
I am focusing on them. I just wanna solid pocket to give them some backup. Thanks i was staring to lean towards him anyway. I'll try him out in tournament and see how it goes.Then it's gotta beout of those you listed.
But really focus on your mains this time, ok?
By the way, I found this very interesting. Thanks for giving me some food for thought!General rule(for me) is to secondary a character that your main can deal with. I would not sonic ditto either if I was not a sonic main. A Cloud would not co-main sheik because sheik ditto so would not be favourable and you would not want to do cloud vs sheik.
How long did you practice Mewtwo and the others you counted out? Some characters may seem good because they are played with a simple playstyle. Mewtwo will only get good with many days' practice because of his complex combos(I find all combos complex because Wii fit does not combo). I would recommend toon link because of the projectiles and every character cannot deal with them easily, reflectors and such are not very useful against toon link.Well just got out of my first tournament and I have results on characters.
Nope
Nah
Nooo
Maybe lol
Yes
Yes
Yes
Oh hell yes.
So.Are the 4 yes characters. In both tournament and friendlies they were for sure the standout, did good with, gonna use characters. Now the struggle is choosing them.
First off,is a 150% for sure using him..
Second off, I wanna use 3 characters, so only dropping 1 out of the remaining 3.
Third off, I want the best mu spread I can get with the three.
As a point of reference, here are the loosing matchups I need covered for Roy.
.
So I had been playing with them all week, obviously some like Roy sonic more than the others (and actually pika not for a month) so it was enough time for me to decide and the four I've got are for sure set. And the donkey kong "maybe lol" is cause I was doing good in friendlies with him and it wasn't excepted.How long did you practice Mewtwo and the others you counted out? Some characters may seem good because they are played with a simple playstyle. Mewtwo will only get good with many days' practice because of his complex combos(I find all combos complex because Wii fit does not combo). I would recommend toon link because of the projectiles and every character cannot deal with them easily, reflectors and such are not very useful against toon link.
I found the donkey kong, "yes lol" a very good response. Was "lol" put there because he is FUN? Is would play DK just because of that. Guess why I chose Wii Fit Trainer...
I've been having a difficult time deciding on a main. I used to playin friendlies but since I've gone to tournaments I want to try something new. I've narrowed it down to a couple:
Character wishlist: I'm not too hot on characters like. Everyone already plays them, and everyone knows how to beat them. I'd rather be someone who loses with
or
than be another
rando.
I'd love to playor
but they're so technical and combo-heavy that I feel like I'd never be able to get a handle on them. I'm not great at long combos in any game.
I likebut he's hard to play.
is really fun but she's hard to play and doesn't get as much out of good play as other characters. There's a guy I know who has a good
that might be able to teach me.
I refuse to play.
I tend to like characters that are balanced. They can be aggressive, but they're also good at playing defensively and don't completely dissolve under pressure. Out of these characters or any of the roster besides my banned list, what should I play? I want to choose something and stick with it.