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He is the only character who can be specifically bought. And he was a huge sticking point the year he dropped I think 2016? I mean, how many vilians in gaming get their own live action commercial, and it's purpose is to hype the vilian in particular?
Man, I stopped playing heroes too soon. Don't they have characters from like all the games now? When I played all they had was fates, awakening, and shadow dragon. I'm sad I missed all the Black Knight love. If he gets in it really will be a dream come true for me. Black Knight is the only character that could get me as hyped as Ridley.
Iirc every entry had representation even Genealogy does.
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I do understand that feeling, but as someone who doesn't like most of the choices for fe characters in smash, I'm itching for one I like. I love Marth, Robin, and Ike. Don't care about Roy, Lucina, or Corrin at all, and I actively hate Chrom. Black Knight has always been the main fe character I've wanted, and it would be cool if they put in a villain for the series too.
Most people here are campaigning for Black Knight to be an echo. In other words, he's not taking up as much development time to work with. And I don't mean to be rude, but I just don't understand why you bothered to come into a thread for a character that doesn't appeal to you. Maybe if you had provided a new and interesting side of the debate, but all you've done is regurgitate the same talking points everyone has against FE reps. I'm a fan of DK and Zelda, and while I would like more from those series (Dixie's my #1 realistic request), that shouldn't stop me from requesting Black Knight, nor should it others and vice versa.
I apologize if this comes across as aggressive but why do people come into a thread just add nothing but negativity to it? Like, I don't care at all about Steve or Decidueye or something but that doesn't mean they don't have people that would be hype for them, nor should I walk in and say "your overrated bird pokemon sucks because there's already 9 pokemans." It's one thing to voice your complaints about it on a different thread but going on to a support thread and saying this is the equivalent of walking up to a woman minding her own business and saying "I have to say your dress looks like dog****." It's OK to think it but it's just plain rude to walk up on somebody else's parade just to take a dump on it, we're not 4Chan here.
I think he was pretty respectful about it at least. If he came in here like "Yo Black Knight sucks **** cuz he's just another ****ing Fire Emblem character" I'd be more annoyed. While I agree it didn't exactly contribute much, at least he was polite.
The personality bit doesn't really matter where Shadow's concerned. Several echoes are already quite different in demeanor and personality from their originals, such as Dark Pit, Daisy and Dark Samus. Dixie literally can't be an echo given she has her own distinct playstyle from Diddy, that was meant to compliment his in DKC2. You do make a good point on Black Knight. He'd have to have different weight to be properly represented.
Hey, don't worry about it. At least you got us talking. As fire emblem fans, we just hear this argument a lot, but I can understand an outsider not knowing that. For the record, I do think some bits of it are reasonable. Fe does have a disproportionate amount of characters to the rest of the roster, but imo they're all either justified (whether I personally like them or not) by the revolving door cast that fe has or are just echoes that don't take up much space.
In a "big picture" sense, FE's representation in Smash makes perfect sense. Marth represents the first games in the series on NES and Famicom, Roy represents the GBA games, Ike represents the console games, and Robin/Corrin represent the newer, more popular games. Then we have the clone characters who are incredibly popular, but weren't given new movesets so they took far less development time. As far as FE fans are concerned, there's only one "era" of FE that's not represented in Smash (Judgural; FE4+5). And that's a pretty good deal for us, no doubt. But there are several things that will make you realize that FE isn't like, represented to an egregious extent.
I do believe that, but only because of the fact that each game has a different main character. Like Link can represent every Legend of Zelda game, but FE protagonists can't. If we only had Marth we wouldn't have anything to represent Binding Blade, Path of Radiance, Radiant Dawn, Awakening, or Fates. If FE had the same format as LoZ I would think it was too much.
The series grosses 400 million a year, it's absolutely big and popular enough to justify a new
I have two points I want to convey. First, FE grosses 400 million a year now, it's unquestionably one of Nintendo's major franchises. It'd be kinda wrong to not give the last major franchise present no vilian representation. And second, FE could represent every era since Genealogy isn't represented. And if a rep from there got in I'd want it's first major vilian to be in, Arvis. He uses Hell fire and is an armor unit, and he's radically different from the majority of characters in FE. But the reason why the Black Knight makes the most sense as a new rep is that like all the other major vilians he has a counterpart in the game, no other rep has a vilian counterpart who is both equally iconic as the Black Knight as he is popular that can fit in the game (from a size standpoint, Grima is arguably just as popular but he's the size of a mountain range). And Black Knight has been a huge marketing point for IS in FEH, he's the only character who can be specifically purchased and is marketed as such. Heck, he even got a live action commercial. And the fact Sakurai had his eye on him to the point he made him a Mii costume with custom assets made from scratch like King K Rool's was is suspect, granted he could be anything if he's even in, but if we get any more FE reps it's gotta be a vilian. Ike's voice lines were updated, why change what was already functional unless he's meant to say a new line (maybe to his nemesis)? Ah, one thing that bears pointing out from a cultural standpoint is the number 8 is special, it's the Asian continents equivalent to the wests lucky number 7. Sakurai might decide to add an 8th rep to close out representation just on that alone he is rather capricious like that. Sorry for the wall of text.
While I do agree with most points Loopy made, I must disagree with Loopy stating that Isabelle Trailer is of lower production due to being a Light-Clone instead of fully Unique. Really the reason why is that it wouldn’t fit Animal Crossing at all if Isabelle Trailer was fast-paced & action-filled like the others, instead having a slower-paced, less energy-pumping trailer suits more in line with what the Animal Crossing Franchise is; causal everyday-life-simulation games.
It fosters discussion. Echo chambers aren't good, and it's important to know the opposing views. He went at it in a respectful manner, too. That kind of thing should be welcomed, it breathes life into discussion.
People always bring up Mario and Pokemon's sales as justification for the amount of characters the series get. In reality its really "I like these series so they should get more characters". To be honest even if Fire Emblem sold more than Mario and Pokemon combined people would still say FE has too many characters. Sakurai isn't adding these characters for the people who don't like Fire Emblem, he is adding them for the people that do. When people say FE shouldn't get any more characters it is like saying " I don't care if other people have wanted this character for years, they shouldn't get this character because I don't want this character ". When people say X amount of characters is good enough for a series that is just an opinion and, obviously Sakurai disagrees so why bring it up? Others have already brought up the fact that FE has many different protagonists vs other series that have a main character and then side characters.
,,,, and each represent their own games. has 4 games if you include the remakes, and has 2 games making 9 different games get represented / advertised. Its not like FE is a dead series, it is one of nintendo's best selling series, it makes sense that nintendo would advertise FE in their big advertisement game. How else are other series going to get to the levels of LoZ, Pokemon or Mario without advertisement?
I agree. It's a taste thing, really. But that's the best part about Smash, that all these divergent series are coming together, each with their own distinct theme and style. You get to have weird as heck matchups like Isabelle vs Ridley. Two characters who couldn't be more different. It's that kind of stuff that sets Smash apart from other Fighters.
I definitely feel that. His competition are characters that actually polled well on the fighter ballot, from series that don't have as many fighters. Isaac, Geno, Skull Kid, Incineroar, Waddle Dee, and even Shantae and Banjo are all characters I'd say are likely to appear (I'm still coping with Steve, don't judge). We probably aren't getting all of those plus BK so someone's gotta get left out. BK's chances rest on them possibly pushing for more villains, and that conspicuous castle siege edit. Unfortunately we won't get anymore hints or info until the next Smash direct so... October's gonna suck.
Yeah, I'm really hoping for a demo or something eventually, I'd even play it if it's paid only I just need some Ultimate in my life.
One factor that never gets considered when people complain about the number of Fire Emblem characters, is that FE has the largest character roster of any Nintendo game besides Pokemon. The series has more than 600 characters who ALL fight. Some series may be bigger and "deserve" more fighters, but how many characters are there in those series can truly be a Smash fighter?
Really, just becuase FE have the largest roster of characters out of all Nintendo franshes doesn't mean it should be an excuse so FE can more characters in Smash over other higher-selling franhises. But I'll allow User Gohitelle post from the 'How Come so Many People are Taking a Dump of FE Lately' Thread here to explain what many of the Ant-FE Smash Fans probably feel about FE representation in Smash -
It doesn't deserve more because of it no. But it is a reason why what we have isn't really "too many". Especially given the situation where many of them re-use assets from one another. They do not get a disproportionately large amount of time, energy and representation (relative to the actual scale of characters) like everyone claims. I mean the games have three total stages, 1 AT and only 1 item. And 2 of it's characters are Echoes (and 1 is a semi-clone). Its not as overblown as people make it seem.
If you’re talking about what he said about slowing down the character reveals, well, I don’t think it really affect anything in the speculation. It just Sakurai & the team not wanting to announce a bunch of characters in short amount of time, rather them spacing the rest out to instead to fill up the rest of the time before release. Plus, I think it safe to say there probably aren’t that many left anyway, so it changes nothing for me
I brought it up. In the E3 showing they called attention to Ike's new voice and iirc said they rerecorded his lines iirc. Why do that when his previous lines were perfectly functional, unless he says something to someone he knows?
yes for 3.99 you get 12 orbs, 12 lights blessings, 12 stamina potions and 1
Both hilariouslyand sadly, I think F-Zero is going to get shafted. Nintendo just refuses to acknowledge it and it's fans. So if any characters are getting shafted it's probably a F-Zero character and probably not Black Knight.
