The hero of Dragon Quest III, Erdrick, joins the battle!

[Teeb147]

what time is microsofts press conference?

1pm pdt if isaw right. So in like 6-7 hours?

 

[Calane]

You can't disagree, lol. I'm telling you that's the feeling i got today. Even if it doesnt end up like that,

I especially dont think it's a good idea to jump to conclusions based everything. Nothing is official and people take on things too quickly.

Lol, I guess you're right about that.

I'm just feeling rather pessimistic about our chances of seeing Erdrick at E3, I suppose. We'll see what happens, and I'd love to be wrong.

 

[Teeb147]

Yup dont give up hope when there's still plenty of room for it.

It's like when you can still recover on the stage but think oof i'll probably get edge guarded and then just let yourself lose a stock. There's no need to do that when there's still a chance And there's plenty of times where I actually did manage to recover, so no reason to give up. And if we lose a stock, we move on to the next one ;p

 

[Arcadenik]

What if instead of just Erdrick we got like a Bowser Jr incident with like DQ1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 11 as the 8 alts?

I’d be okay with that.

 

[Deleted member]

1pm pdt if isaw right. So in like 6-7 hours?

Well that's a day to kill. =P

Yup dont give up hope when there's still plenty of room for it.

It's like when you can still recover on the stage but think oof i'll probably get edge guarded and then just let yourself lose a stock. There's no need to do that when there's still a chance And there's plenty of times where I actually did manage to recover, so no reason to give up. And if we lose a stock, we move on to the next one ;p

All we have to worry about is Erdrick's reveal being delayed. That's way better than a lot of others potential candidates.

 

[Teeb147]

Well that's a day to kill. =P


All we have to worry about is Erdrick's reveal being delayed. That's way better than a lot of others potential candidates.

I'll be honest, my major concern isn't the potential delay, it's the people (the talks around).
I want to enjoy the forums without people constantly taking it like a deconfirm (even tho it makes no sense)

 

[Deleted member]

I'll be honest, my major concern isn't the potential delay, it's the people (the talks around).
I want to enjoy the forums without people constantly taking it like a deconfirm (even tho it makes no sense)

I think after a couple of discussions, the neutral people will eventually think, "Hey, Brave doesn't have to be Fighter #2" or "Erdrick doesn't even have to be Brave." It's just logic am I right?

 

[Teeb147]

I think after a couple of discussions, the neutral people will eventually think, "Hey, Brave doesn't have to be Fighter #2" or "Erdrick doesn't even have to be Brave." It's just logic am I right?

Yeah but a lot of people around aren't neutral ;p

 

[NoOtherPersona]

I think after a couple of discussions, the neutral people will eventually think, "Hey, Brave doesn't have to be Fighter #2" or "Erdrick doesn't even have to be Brave." It's just logic am I right?

The smash fan base doesn't like to use logic

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah but a lot of people around aren't neutral ;p

I guess. I think a positive toward Banjo being revealed is that he would debunk every argument against Erdrick not being a worldwide character. Banjo is nowhere near as popular in the East as he is here. It's not all grim for Erdrick.

 

[Teeb147]

I guess. I think a positive toward Banjo being revealed is that he would debunk every argument against Erdrick not being a worldwide character. Banjo is nowhere near as popular in the East as he is here.

I dont think that matters at all. Since almost no one was taking banjo to be a western character.

If Banjo is in the game, i dont think he'd be 'brave'. Lots of people wont wait til the datamine to claim that he is.
But youre right that erdrick could be some other codename, but it still makes more sense to be. So I would still be willing to say that the chances drop if for some reason another character is brave. Though, not down and out. But anyway, there's just too much we dont know yet.

 

[Arcadenik]

I guess. I think a positive toward Banjo being revealed is that he would debunk every argument against Erdrick not being a worldwide character. Banjo is nowhere near as popular in the East as he is here. It's not all grim for Erdrick.

Really? Hmm... maybe it would make sense if both Erdrick and Banjo-Kazooie were announced at E3 2019 at the same time... that would make both Western fans and Japanese fans happy.

 

[Deleted member]

Really? Hmm... maybe it would make sense if both Erdrick and Banjo-Kazooie were announced at E3 2019 at the same time... that would make both Western fans and Japanese fans happy.

I think everybody wants that. The popular thing cited against Erdrick would be is a very Japan centered character who wouldn't be advertised to the west. If Banjo got in, an honestly dead series that only took off in the west, and people still argued Erdrick was Japan only, that's hypocrisy and easy to call out.

 

[Teeb147]

I think everybody wants that. The popular thing cited against Erdrick would be is a very Japan centered character who wouldn't be advertised to the west. If Banjo got in, an honestly dead series that only took off in the west, and people still argued Erdrick was Japan only, that's hypocrisy and easy to call out.

Nah people would just say banjo has worldwide appeal, which is true, and say that he's been voted highly even if the series has been dead (or asleep).

 

[Namasura]

I think everybody wants that. The popular thing cited against Erdrick would be is a very Japan centered character who wouldn't be advertised to the west. If Banjo got in, an honestly dead series that only took off in the west, and people still argued Erdrick was Japan only, that's hypocrisy and easy to call out.

Being a hypocrite has never stopped them until now, and it won't stop them later. It's th sad reality.

 

[Deleted member]

Nah people would just say banjo has worldwide appeal, which is true, and say that he's been voted highly even if the series has been dead (or asleep).

Being a hypocrite has never stopped them until now, and it won't stop them later. It's th sad reality.

Banjo has about less appeal than Dragon Quest does. DQ 8 in the west sold about the same as Banjo-Kazooie's initial run in Japan and DQ 11 in the west outperformed Banjo with double the sales.

I mean fair enough. Haters gonna hate, but I think it's great I don't have to worry about worldwide appeal being a legitimate concern anymore.

 

[Teeb147]

Banjo has about less appeal than Dragon Quest does. DQ 8 in the west sold about the same as Banjo-Kazooie's initial run in Japan and DQ 11 in the west outperformed Banjo with double the sales.

I mean fair enough. Haters gonna hate, but I just think it's great I don't have to worry about worldwide appeal being a legitimate concern anymore.

I guess that's something that could be pointed out, but i dont even want to do that lol. I just want people to value the positives for each franchise. And Dragon Quest has a lot (including a lot of sales).

It's also possible that it's mostly a smash thing, and that casuals dont know banjo as well. dunno.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh sweet. Nintendo's E3 direct is gonna be roughly 40 minutes.

Nintendo Direct E3 2019 is approximately 40 minutes according to Niconico https://t.co/5y5ui6bEu0 pic.twitter.com/KP1t6ArC0R

— Wario64 (@Wario64) June 9, 2019

 

[Teeb147]

Oh sweet. Nintendo's E3 direct is gonna be roughly 40 minutes.

Nintendo Direct E3 2019 is approximately 40 minutes according to Niconico https://t.co/5y5ui6bEu0 pic.twitter.com/KP1t6ArC0R

— Wario64 (@Wario64) June 9, 2019

Has it ever been less than that?
It would be nice if they had presentations too tho.

 

[Deleted member]

Has it ever been less than that?
It would be nice if they had presentations too tho.

Oh. Apparently 40 minute is the usual. My bad.

 

[Teeb147]

Oh. Apparently 40 minute is the usual. My bad.

It's still a decent amount of time. Would be nice if it was longer than that tho ;p
I still dont think 'just' a direct is that much, but at least they have the treehouse stuff after.

 

[NomadLuminary]

If our tease at the end of the Banjo trailer or direct is the Erdrick sword I'm gonna lose my mind. Especially if it turns out to be a full blown trailer.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I’m kind of scared right now about how things could go between today and tomorrow...

I fear that this theme will soon be fitting on the Smash community:

It always fitting for the awesome side of the community.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I guess that's something that could be pointed out, but i dont even want to do that lol. I just want people to value the positives for each franchise. And Dragon Quest has a lot (including a lot of sales).

It's also possible that it's mostly a smash thing, and that casuals dont know banjo as well. dunno.

Major respects. This is why I love our (DQ) fandom, man.

Speaking of trailers. Like I mentioned before, I think there’s no way Nintendo isn’t going to show off a trailer-reveal for Erdrick if he’s in. The DQ intro music is just too epic to let it go to waste.

As for the sword at the end thing. Would be hilarious if Banjo finds the sword lying around, and the video ends there. (Naturally, well never hear the end of how Roto’s sword will just be an item and nothing else, lol).

 

[NomadLuminary]

Major respects. This is why I love our (DQ) fandom, man.

Speaking of trailers. Like I mentioned before, I think there’s no way Nintendo isn’t going to show off a trailer-reveal for Erdrick if he’s in. The DQ intro music is just too epic to let it go to waste.

As for the sword at the end thing. Would be hilarious if Banjo finds the sword lying around, and the video ends there. (Naturally, well never hear the end of how Roto’s sword will just be an item and nothing else, lol).

That's why you hope and fight on in the face of adversity lol. Would be nice though.

 

[Teeb147]

A reveal and a teaser could make sense. who knows

about 4 hours until microsoft, i think.

 

[AustarusIV]

I guess. I think a positive toward Banjo being revealed is that he would debunk every argument against Erdrick not being a worldwide character. Banjo is nowhere near as popular in the East as he is here. It's not all grim for Erdrick.

I don’t think that would matter much for the Smash community, unfortunately. They have this weird double standard regarding Western and Japanese characters, dismissing Erdrick and like as unlikely because of a lack of worldwide appeal, while either downplaying or ignoring the same factors regarding Western characters like Doom Slayer or Scorpion, for example, who are arguably just as obscure in the East, if not even moreso.

I’m not trying to belittle fans of those characters, I’ve got nothing against them, but this community is too insular in its Western-oriented mindset if they’re willing to talk about representing video game history but dismiss Dragon Quest of all franchises from being represented.

 

[Teeb147]

I don’t think that would matter much for the Smash community, unfortunately. They have this weird double standard regarding Western and Japanese characters, dismissing Erdrick and like as unlikely because of a lack of worldwide appeal, while either downplaying or ignoring the same factors regarding Western characters like Doom Slayer or Scorpion, for example, who are arguably just as obscure in the East, if not even moreso.

I’m not trying to belittle fans of those characters, I’ve got nothing against them, but this community is too insular in its Western-oriented mindset if they’re willing to talk about representing video game history but dismiss Dragon Quest of all franchises from being represented.

Obviously not everyone, but there's definitely been some like that.
And Dragon Quest is actually quite well known in the west too as far as rpgs go.

 

[NomadLuminary]

I don’t think that would matter much for the Smash community, unfortunately. They have this weird double standard regarding Western and Japanese characters, dismissing Erdrick and like as unlikely because of a lack of worldwide appeal, while either downplaying or ignoring the same factors regarding Western characters like Doom Slayer or Scorpion, for example, who are arguably just as obscure in the East, if not even moreso.

I’m not trying to belittle fans of those characters, I’ve got nothing against them, but this community is too insular in its Western-oriented mindset if they’re willing to talk about representing video game history but dismiss Dragon Quest of all franchises from being represented.

It's because he uses a sword

 

[shinhed-echi]

So Vergeben got another thing right according to Polar.

Not smash related but obviously spoilers.

https://twitter.com/New_WabiSabi/status/1137765667950567424

This guy will come through for us! I know he will! Even ifErdrick isn't revealed at E3.


Also I guess that “A DQ character is coming. It not the ones we’re thinking off” has been put to rest pretty quickly.

 

[Rumble Red]

I don’t think that would matter much for the Smash community, unfortunately. They have this weird double standard regarding Western and Japanese characters, dismissing Erdrick and like as unlikely because of a lack of worldwide appeal, while either downplaying or ignoring the same factors regarding Western characters like Doom Slayer or Scorpion, for example, who are arguably just as obscure in the East, if not even moreso.

I think that's selling Doom a little short. I'd say it's at least as popular in Japan as DQ is over here. Not a humongous franchise, but successful enough and respected as a genre pioneer. There's a not-insignificant Japanese presence in the classic Doom scene even today, it's neat.

Mortal Kombat is the one that drives me nuts. Unless CERO significantly changes, that series is Not Happening in Japan. It's the only series I feel comfortable writing off completely for Smash. Zero chance.

 

[Teeb147]

I think that's selling Doom a little short. I'd say it's at least as popular in Japan as DQ is over here. Not a humongous franchise, but successful enough and respected as a genre pioneer. There's a not-insignificant Japanese presence in the classic Doom scene even today, it's neat.

Mortal Kombat is the one that drives me nuts. Unless CERO significantly changes, that series is Not Happening in Japan. It's the only series I feel comfortable writing off completely for Smash. Zero chance.

The sales dont tell that story though.

 

[shinhed-echi]

The sales dont tell that story though.

Maybe they prefer Doom on PC? Or classic doom for that matter. Or all of the above.

 

[AustarusIV]

I think that's selling Doom a little short. I'd say it's at least as popular in Japan as DQ is over here. Not a humongous franchise, but successful enough and respected as a genre pioneer. There's a not-insignificant Japanese presence in the classic Doom scene even today, it's neat.

Mortal Kombat is the one that drives me nuts. Unless CERO significantly changes, that series is Not Happening in Japan. It's the only series I feel comfortable writing off completely for Smash. Zero chance.

Really? That's genuinely surprising considering how unpopular FPSes are in Japan. I know Sakurai has heard of it, but I've always chalked that up to him being incredibly passionate about video games and the history of making them. Interesting to know regardless!

Yeah, and not only that, Mortal Kombat is supposedly hated over in Japan because they consider it a shallow knock-off of Street Fighter. There hasn't even been a game release there since the 1990s.

 

[TheYungLink]

Really? That's genuinely surprising considering how unpopular FPSes are in Japan. I know Sakurai has heard of it, but I've always chalked that up to him being incredibly passionate about video games and the history of making them. Interesting to know regardless!

Yeah, and not only that, Mortal Kombat is supposedly hated over in Japan because they consider it a shallow knock-off of Street Fighter. There hasn't even been a game release there since the 1990s.

My guess is that, if we're talking about the original Doom, that game had no vertical aiming so even players who get motion sickness from FPSs (like me) can still play it. That, and while the series is pretty gory these days, back then it was all technically blurry pixels so even the gore averse Japanese audience could jive with it just a little more.

 

[cmbsfm]

Doom has a pretty active modding scene in Japan

 

[NomadLuminary]

Let's get the day going strong with some fan art.

#ロトの日
なので過去に描いたDQ3絵も～ pic.twitter.com/Qcl0wgts3C

— 蛍 (@k_kymz) June 9, 2019

 

[Namasura]

Today is Roto day? Whoa

 

[NomadLuminary]

Today is Roto day? Whoa

Woah indeed. Coincidence since tomorrow for us is also Roto day. That's the shonen jump surprise.

 

[Teeb147]

Oh that's right, almost forgot.
Will check once in a while if there's anything cool on twitter. Here's a first

https://twitter.com/78__nanaya/status/1137740725699743745