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The hero of Dragon Quest III, Erdrick, joins the battle!

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This so much!
I mean, I get why some people don't like it. Especially when it comes to DQ5 protag, mostly due to his artwork having him wielding a staff. I could see several workarounds yo this.

1) Use the staff as a sword. This didn't stop Mii Swordfighters dressed as Viridi, Lip, Magician, etc.

2) Make him use a sword, but his staff is strapped to his back.

3) Just ignore the staff, or have it when he uses an actual possible staff move (like an aerial or something).

Also, having each hero have a different sword from each DQ game would be amazing.
But that would be absolutely pushing it. Although I wouldn't put it past Sakurai to go the extra Miles for DQ.
Given from what I'm finding out, Sakurai really loves Dragon Quest. He would go that extra mile if he could start it. Plus I don't think a staff is going to hurt DQ 5's hero. If he can do it for Koopalings, he can do it for DQ, even if height differences might be a challenge. Plus there's debate on whether we'll be getting the chibi version like in the official artwork or the more modern design.
 
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Yeah why not, they have a great design team this time around. Not that I'd be expecting anything like that. It'd just be really cool.

My only selfish request is that two of the skins are girls :) like female erdrick and hmm, im I'm not sure who's more iconic or popular with other players. I have 2 in mind that use swords. Anyway, just playing with neat ideas. If DQ makes it in, I hope they do something cool. :)
They could use 4's protagonists, both male and female. It's the only other game that has a selectable gender for the protagonist that isn't also completely custom (like 9 and 10)
 

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They could use 4's protagonists, both male and female. It's the only other game that has a selectable gender for the protagonist that isn't also completely custom (like 9 and 10)
Yeah I think that's one of them i was thinking. I'd actually super duper love her be in. And, well I was thinking dragon quest heroes 2 too. Not an original title, but I like her design and it's still a cool action rpg.
 

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Given from what I'm finding out, Sakurai really loves Dragon Quest. He would go that extra mile if he could start it. Plus I don't think a staff is going to hurt DQ 5's hero. If he can do it for Koopalings, he can do it for DQ, even if height differences might be a challenge. Plus there's debate on whether we'll be getting the chibi version like in the official artwork or the more modern design.
If he is in here, this is the point I'm most lost on. Is Sakurai so willing to have him stand out visually from other hero types on the roster that he'd keep him small? On the other hand, that would stab the 5Chan roster leak to death, since the alts they claimed depend on adult Eddy.

They could use 4's protagonists, both male and female. It's the only other game that has a selectable gender for the protagonist that isn't also completely custom (like 9 and 10)
Yeah I think that's one of them i was thinking. I'd actually super duper love her be in. And, well I was thinking dragon quest heroes 2 too. Not an original title, but I like her design and it's still a cool action rpg.
>fellow Sofia fans
I see that you are men of culture as well (if I misinterpreted, then I apologize).
 
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Yeah why not, they have a great design team this time around. Not that I'd be expecting anything like that. It'd just be really cool.

My only selfish request is that two of the skins are girls :) like female erdrick and hmm, im I'm not sure who's more iconic or popular with other players. I have 2 in mind that use swords. Anyway, just playing with neat ideas. If DQ makes it in, I hope they do something cool. :)
I do appreciate female alts. I think female Erdrick would be the most likely alternative if they didn't want to do all of the series heroes. A female knight in Smash would be pretty badass.
 

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If he is in here, this is the point I'm most lost on. Is Sakurai so willing to have him stand out visually from other hero types on the roster that he'd keep him small? On the other hand, that would stab the 5Chan roster leak to death, since the alts they claimed depend on adult Eddy.




>fellow Sofia fans
I see that you are men of culture as well (if I misinterpreted, then I apologize).
Oh ya it's sofia. She's actually my favorite hero design, tbh.
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Madason using a sword is tolerable since he can equip them, but giving him lightning magic is Not Allowed. There are enough heroes to choose from without turning him into a costume, I think. He's got enough to be a whole unique character; it'd be such a waste.

Sofia's my personal favourite hero design (maybe tied with VII's hero, he's too cute), but I've come to think that it might be best if we just got the two flavours of Erdrick. I think presenting one face for the series and putting as much effort as possible into making them unique and memorable makes more sense than having a bunch of different characters who all play the same, but it's not all the heroes anyway, and you gotta google which game they're even from. All that extra work might give them less marketing payoff, y'know? Maybe I'm nuts.

...

XI S and Builders 2 both being up in the air is a weird situation, since we more or less know that they're both getting western releases this year, but neither Square Enix or Nintendo have made a peep about either yet. Radio silence in itself isn't unusual, but a major release pileup like this, with both of 'em on Switch... I honestly wonder if it might be happening.
 

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Madason using a sword is tolerable since he can equip them, but giving him lightning magic is Not Allowed. There are enough heroes to choose from without turning him into a costume, I think. He's got enough to be a whole unique character; it'd be such a waste.

Sofia's my personal favourite hero design (maybe tied with VII's hero, he's too cute), but I've come to think that it might be best if we just got the two flavours of Erdrick. I think presenting one face for the series and putting as much effort as possible into making them unique and memorable makes more sense than having a bunch of different characters who all play the same, but it's not all the heroes anyway, and you gotta google which game they're even from. All that extra work might give them less marketing payoff, y'know? Maybe I'm nuts.

...

XI S and Builders 2 both being up in the air is a weird situation, since we more or less know that they're both getting western releases this year, but neither Square Enix or Nintendo have made a peep about either yet. Radio silence in itself isn't unusual, but a major release pileup like this, with both of 'em on Switch... I honestly wonder if it might be happening.
Ya youre nuts ;p
Nah but it'd be fine and also maybe more likely to be just erdrick, if they do it. And that's fine. But man, for fans, having the alt heroes would be so big. . And if they also have sofia there, i'd be so happy. It's a fun thought anyway :)

I heard Lucas and ness didnt have some of their spells in the game, it was actually paulene that had one of those. So it's already ok to change some things like give lightning magic, but i mean if they care about that im sure they'd find a way around it, it's just they dont have to be 100% faithful.
It's all just playing with ideas for now.
 
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I think presenting one face for the series and putting as much effort as possible into making them unique and memorable makes more sense than having a bunch of different characters who all play the same, but it's not all the heroes anyway, and you gotta google which game they're even from. All that extra work might give them less marketing payoff, y'know? Maybe I'm nuts.
I more or less agree. I think they should focus on gameplay above all else because the fact that DQ getting into Smash at all is a celebration. We would theoretically get stages and music too so representation isn't just limited to the fighter himself. Not sure if spirits are confirmed though.

E: Visually, it would warm my heart to see every hero but I don't want gameplay to suffer because of it, which is what ultimately decides a character's staying power.
 
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I wouldn't mind the heroes having to share the same stuff, the chances of them getting in by themselves are infinitesimal anyway, like with the Koopalings.

It's not as if this were jamming various Final Fantasy leads as Warrior's alts and expecting it to work.
 
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Ya youre nuts ;p
Nah but it'd be fine and also maybe more likely to be just erdrick, if they do it. And that's fine. But man, for fans, having the alt heroes would be so big. . And if they also have sofia there, i'd be so happy. It's a fun thought anyway :)

I heard Lucas and ness didnt have some of their spells in the game, it was actually paulene that had one of those. So it's already ok to change some things like give lightning magic, but i mean if they care about that im sure they'd find a way around it, it's just they dont have to be 100% faithful.
It's all just playing with ideas for now.
It's true for Ness and Lucas, speaking as an EarthBound fan, that they use their party members' powers for Smash. But in their case it's excusable because

1. There's only 3 games in the whole series, so they might as well represent each of their own parties as much as possible, and

2. Neither Ness nor Lucas are weapons masters like the Hero class of Dragon Quest is, they use baseball bats and yo-yos (in Ness' case) or sticks and a single yo-yo in the game (in Lucas' case). They also only learn 2 offensive spells on their own (PK Flash, which is more of a very good status move, and PK [insert favorite thing you name at the beginning of the game here]), and most of their magic (well, psychic abilities) is based primarily on healing and status restoration, so they're both more like the Paladin class from Final Fantasy 4.

These two reasons handily explain why Ness and Lucas' kit involves the psychic spells of other party members, as by themselves they wouldn't stand out as much as they probably could have, especially in Ness' case back in Smash 64. However, at this point in Smash we have tons of sword, magic, and psychic users, many of them directly inspired by Dragon Quest, so the best way for Erdrick / a Dragon Quest Hero to stand out is to simply be themselves and stick to their established abilities, representing the very first JRPG. I like the weapon switching idea that people have brought up, or even a special move that involves selecting spells from a menu, as both are pretty standard JRPG things that Dragon Quest pioneered, yet would stand out in Smash.
 

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Hey guys, there are two blank spots for the voice actor list in the credits, they might be the two voice actors for both male and female Erdrick.
However, there is a chance we may get the English voice actors (likely non-union, to avoid a similar situation with Cloud.) for both of them, which makes it four which also means that we may be getting one or more voice actors who voices content related to the DLC Fighter pack.
If you didn't know about voice actors being added into the credits because of DLC updates, they did it previously in smash 4 with Mewtwo, Ryu, Corrin, Cloud, Roy, and Bayonetta.
 

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I honestly don't like the idea of all the heroes being alts, but I can understand why most wouldn't mind it.

I'd deal with it if they chose to go in that direction, but I'd actually be a little upset if they had DQ5's hero casting lightning magic and performing Gigaslash. It just...wouldn't feel right at all.
 
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It's true for Ness and Lucas, speaking as an EarthBound fan, that they use their party members' powers for Smash. But in their case it's excusable because

1. There's only 3 games in the whole series, so they might as well represent each of their own parties as much as possible, and

2. Neither Ness nor Lucas are weapons masters like the Hero class of Dragon Quest is, they use baseball bats and yo-yos (in Ness' case) or sticks and a single yo-yo in the game (in Lucas' case). They also only learn 2 offensive spells on their own (PK Flash, which is more of a very good status move, and PK [insert favorite thing you name at the beginning of the game here]), and most of their magic (well, psychic abilities) is based primarily on healing and status restoration, so they're both more like the Paladin class from Final Fantasy 4.

These two reasons handily explain why Ness and Lucas' kit involves the psychic spells of other party members, as by themselves they wouldn't stand out as much as they probably could have, especially in Ness' case back in Smash 64. However, at this point in Smash we have tons of sword, magic, and psychic users, many of them directly inspired by Dragon Quest, so the best way for Erdrick / a Dragon Quest Hero to stand out is to simply be themselves and stick to their established abilities, representing the very first JRPG. I like the weapon switching idea that people have brought up, or even a special move that involves selecting spells from a menu, as both are pretty standard JRPG things that Dragon Quest pioneered, yet would stand out in Smash.
Thankfully a lot of dq heroes can use spells. I wonder which ones are frequent. Like in dq 8 the hero can use the zaps and sizzles. Erdrick can use zap and while there's no sizzle there's fire spells. I dont really know or remember for the other games.
But in any case personally I feel like it wouldnt be a big deal if they could use other ones.


I honestly don't like the idea of all the heroes being alts, but I can understand why most wouldn't mind it.

I'd deal with it if they chose to go in that direction, but I'd actually be a little upset if they had DQ5's hero casting lightning magic and performing Gigaslash. It just...wouldn't feel right at all.
So dq5 cant use lightning at all? ah well. Even then, might not be a big deal, or they could skip over him :p
 

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You know what'd be cool? If Madason was added as an assist trophy, where he summoned classic Dragon Quest monsters to fight you. Obviously Slime would be one of them, but also maybe Drackies, Skeleton Knights, and even a Great Dragon.

It'd be a little weird to summon a, well, summoner, but it's a nice way to represent both my favorite game in the series and the monsters as a whole, since Madason wouldn't fit in as part of a Koopalings situation.
 
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Thankfully a lot of dq heroes can use spells. I wonder which ones are frequent. Like in dq 8 the hero can use the zaps and sizzles. Erdrick can use zap and while there's no sizzle there's fire spells. I dont really know or remember for the other games.
But in any case personally I feel like it wouldnt be a big deal if they could use other ones.




So dq5 cant use lightning at all? ah well. Even then, might not be a big deal, or they could skip over him :p
He can't, no.

Additionally, DQ2's hero isn't supposed to be able to use magic at all.

There's a lot of reasons why I'm not too fond of the idea, but I'd rather not rant about it, lol.
 
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You know what'd be cool? If Madason was added as an assist trophy, where he summoned classic Dragon Quest monsters to fight you. Obviously Slime would be one of them, but also maybe Drackies, Skeleton Knights, and even a Great Dragon.

It'd be a little weird to summon a, well, summoner, but it's a nice way to represent both my favorite game in the series and the monsters as a whole, since Madason wouldn't fit in as part of a Koopalings situation.
Alternatively, they could make another Dracula's Castle like stage where the monsters just roam around or act as stage hazards. Kind of reminds me of Fortune Street where some backgrounds would just have monster roaming around.
 

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He can't, no.

Additionally, DQ2's hero isn't supposed to be able to use magic at all.

There's a lot of reasons why I'm not too fond of the idea, but I'd rather not rant about it, lol.
I'm sure if they'd go that route they'd do the series enough justice for SE not to be mad about it ;)
I think it'd be glorious, but anyway, we have to settle with what nintendo ends up doing XD

It could be as simple as having dq3 & 4 which would take 4 slots, and then maybe some more modern ones. 8 was pretty popular, and then some from the recent one. It'd be pretty easy to fill them up.
 
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I think there's something to be gained from trying to give Erdrick a distinct personality through animations and maybe voice clips that you couldn't really do if you were trying to make everything as generic as possible to fit every hero. I dunno if that's something they'd even do, but my ideal Erdrick would be kind of an upbeat, chirpy character to represent Dragon Quest's tone (and contrast with Cloud, that sad sack). Get a little Daisy or Zelda goin' on with those victory animations. Make pep his gimmick and his attitude.
 

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I think there's something to be gained from trying to give Erdrick a distinct personality through animations and maybe voice clips that you couldn't really do if you were trying to make everything as generic as possible to fit every hero. I dunno if that's something they'd even do, but my ideal Erdrick would be kind of an upbeat, chirpy character to represent Dragon Quest's tone (and contrast with Cloud, that sad sack). Get a little Daisy or Zelda goin' on with those victory animations. Make pep his gimmick and his attitude.
I mean, looking at the koopalings, they seem fine. But your line of thinking is fine too, and this is the erdrick thread. I just like dq in general so I'd go for more heroes. it'd also be more likely to strike a chord with more people since not everyone has played 3. But either way, it'll be cool if some dq gets in. :)
 
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The biggest problem with the Koopalings was that they took away from Bowser Jr.'s significance. He was his own character, had his own personality, and carried with him an arsenal of tools to bring to Smash. As a result, he was just relegated to a safe koopa clown car and the only Bowser Jr. specific thing he really does is his final smash referencing Mario Sunshine. In my opinion, his entire moveset should have been based around Mario Sunshine and Galaxy, but the Koopalings interfered with his uniqueness.

Now from what I know about DQ protagonists... they're fairly blank slates and are malleable. With exceptions to characters by DQ 2 and 5, it seems that most of them share similar approaches to combat. I think since DQ heroes are blank slates, they can get away with him being alts if they pick the right ones.

However, the other problem with the Koopalings is that they're not really unique because they share the exact same animations with each other and their facial expressions are noticeably lacking. There can definitely be issues with making alt costumes for Erdrick. Boon and a bane really. I'll take either.
 

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I think there's something to be gained from trying to give Erdrick a distinct personality through animations and maybe voice clips that you couldn't really do if you were trying to make everything as generic as possible to fit every hero. I dunno if that's something they'd even do, but my ideal Erdrick would be kind of an upbeat, chirpy character to represent Dragon Quest's tone (and contrast with Cloud, that sad sack). Get a little Daisy or Zelda goin' on with those victory animations. Make pep his gimmick and his attitude.
Given how well Sakurai captured Cloud in Smash, especially if you look for all the references to his game in his reveal trailer for Smash 4, I do wish he made one last addition in his animations or taunts or something to capture his hidden awkward side. Like his entrance animation has him go "Let's mosey!", a dorky and memorable line of his that he makes before the final dungeon.

I'm glad that nothing about Cloud in Smash makes him mopey and sad, at least, since that was an exaggeration by Tetsuya Nomura for the Compilation which was only an important part of his character arc in the original game rather than being his whole deal. I don't know how the public consciousness mixed up Cloud and Squall's personalities but Nomura was definitely responsible for a big portion of that shift.

You do bring up a good point about how focusing on Erdrick could highlight the series' personality. It's a good idea since by default they're blank slates.
 
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You do bring up a good point about how focusing on Erdrick could highlight the series' personality. It's a good idea since by default they're blank slates.
Yeah. They could use this to actually inject personality into Erdrick. Add how most people will probably just stick with just one alternate costume for Erdrick, and the effort might not be worth it.
 

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The biggest problem with the Koopalings was that they took away from Bowser Jr.'s significance. He was his own character, had his own personality, and carried with him an arsenal of tools to bring to Smash. As a result, he was just relegated to a safe koopa clown car and the only Bowser Jr. specific thing he really does is his final smash referencing Mario Sunshine. In my opinion, his entire moveset should have been based around Mario Sunshine and Galaxy, but the Koopalings interfered with his uniqueness.

Now from what I know about DQ protagonists... they're fairly blank slates and are malleable. With exceptions to characters by DQ 2 and 5, it seems that most of them share similar approaches to combat. I think since DQ heroes are blank slates, they can get away with him being alts if they pick the right ones.

However, the other problem with the Koopalings is that they're not really unique because they share the exact same animations with each other and their facial expressions are noticeably lacking. There can definitely be issues with making alt costumes for Erdrick. Boon and a bane really. I'll take either.
Last comment for now. Well, koopalings seem expressive enough for smash, but maybe compared to the new stuff like with dk and incineroar where they made them super expressive it's a bit lacking. Like Corrin and lucina seem ok copying the original characters, but I guess they're somewhat plain. But in the same way, if they make expressive animations, it could be expressive for all alts.

Maybe different people would have different preferences. Right now I would go for the hero alts. Maybe if it really did matter for resources to make them expressive, I'd be like ok I'd rather just have erdrick have the fun personality, but I think they could make them expressive And have hero alts. I think maybe just like cloud they wouldnt be that expressive tho, but maybe youre right and they'd want to go for it this time. who knows.

I like both ideas anyway. and maybe both could be :)
 

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I guess I'm saying that I think it'd be OK to fudge things a bit to give one particular blank-slate character a personality, but if they gave the exact same personality to a bunch of different mute heroes it'd be strange and a little intrusive, so they'd probably go as plain as possible in that scenario. This is all supposition, of course.

I do know what Cloud's actually like, but I think it'd be cute to play Cloud and Erdrick (or whoever) off each other, with FF = moody, DQ = happy as a shorthand for what each series brings to the table.

This is a ploy, to disarm newbies for That Part of DQXI, or That Part of Builders, or Those Parts of DQV. Then they'll understand.
 
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I guess I'm saying that I think it'd be OK to fudge things a bit to give one particular blank-slate character a personality, but if they gave the exact same personality to a bunch of different mute heroes it'd be strange and a little intrusive, so they'd probably go as plain as possible in that scenario. This is all supposition, of course.

I do know what Cloud's actually like, but I think it'd be cute to play Cloud and Erdrick (or whoever) off each other, with FF = moody, DQ = happy as a shorthand for what each series brings to the table.

This is a ploy, to disarm newbies for That Part of DQXI, or That Part of Builders, or Those Parts of DQV. Then they'll understand.
I think that's actually a good point. The thing is I dont know how far they'd even go in terms of personality. But if they do go the extra mile, then yeah. For me, I wouldn't mind all of them having the same personality, but kinda like Calane said, I understand why some wouldn't like that.

If it's between an exuberant personality for erdrick or a lot of heroes that are less defined, I honestly am not sure which I'd prefer. I might actually lean towards just erdrick, especially if it would go towards joyful expressions :)
 

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Yeah. The only thing that confirms is that I'm jealous of Sakurai for getting to play Builders 2 before me.

Of course it's encouraging that he's a fan, but it's almost certainly not a ~hint~. He might just feel bad that Smash crushed Builders in sales.
 

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https://nintendoeverything.com/saku...sh-bros-ultimate-creating-entertainment-more/

So there you have it, he sticks with For Fun. His recent enjoyment of DQ Builders 2 may not be a hint, so take it with a grain of salt.
It's always fun to hear what his thoughts are on the games he plays and hearing him talk as a gamer instead of just a developer. Still, while it's no confirmation, him explicitly stating his enjoyment of a DQ game does at least let us know its on his radar.
 
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As a predominant Geno fan, I can safely say that Sakurai's word can be very iffy. In an interview, Sakurai flat out stated he wanted Geno as a playable character. As we know, he still is not. From that, what he personally likes does not have merit even with Erdrick's likelihood being sky high at the moment.

Interview:
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2016/02/21/nintendodream3/
 

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Sakurais word is honestly not the best thing to read into. He has gone back on his statements multiple times tbh, and he often speaks vaguely. If he praises something, that is fine, but it ain't a clue for smash tbh.

Though lowkey I feel Erdrick has a solid chance, I would say 55%. I will be salty though if we do not get female Erdrick though. Not too much to ask is it? Also hoping Erdrick is not brave since I would prefer something more similar to adult erdrick rather than child erdrick tbh.
 

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Reminder that Sakurai couldn't tweet about games for a while because people assumed he was hinting at a character reveal.

Sakurais word is honestly not the best thing to read into. He has gone back on his statements multiple times tbh, and he often speaks vaguely. If he praises something, that is fine, but it ain't a clue for smash tbh.

Though lowkey I feel Erdrick has a solid chance, I would say 55%. I will be salty though if we do not get female Erdrick though. Not too much to ask is it? Also hoping Erdrick is not brave since I would prefer something more similar to adult erdrick rather than child erdrick tbh.
Yeah...I could live with him being revealed later, otherwise the chance of getting other heroes as alts will be lost forever.

Then again, I want that 5Chan roster leak to be disproved forever. I don't know what to think here!
 

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Reminder that Sakurai couldn't tweet about games for a while because people assumed he was hinting at a character reveal.



Yeah...I could live with him being revealed later, otherwise the chance of getting other heroes as alts will be lost forever.

Then again, I want that 5Chan roster leak to be disproved forever. I don't know what to think here!
Well, DQ deserves a rep anyway. And it's possible for leaks to have 1 or 2 characters right even if the rest arent. (either good guesses or rumors they might've heard and take advantage of)
In any case, Persona was a cool choice, so maybe the rest will be too ;)
 

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Isn't there a staff (... A Lightning staff) that allows anyone yo cast lightning spells?

They could get away with it if they wanted to. I know the biggest offense would be DQ2 Hero for me personally because he can't even use magical ítems (due to them not existing yet).



New item idea!


Staff of Antimagic.
Swing it at opponent, and you neutralize their B moves temporarily.
 

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I actually would love for the character to have something special or just magic as b moves. Maybe sword skills as smashes.

Isn't there a staff (... A Lightning staff) that allows anyone yo cast lightning spells?

They could get away with it if they wanted to. I know the biggest offense would be DQ2 Hero for me personally because he can't even use magical ítems (due to them not existing yet).



New item idea!


Staff of Antimagic.
Swing it at opponent, and you neutralize their B moves temporarily.
Did you have to pick my favorite heroes for your avatar? :O ;p
well, fave designs at least.
 
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I actually would love for the character to have something special or just magic as b moves. Maybe sword skills as smashes.



Did you have to pick my favorite heroes for your avatar? :O ;p
well, fave designs at least.
I love their design as well! They look pretty out there for the usual DQ protagonists. Can't quite put my finger on why..

... but I dig green haired characters. (Plus... the afro is criminally underrated as far as main characters go).
 

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I really would enjoy if the DQ hero had a light mood in terms of personality, kinda like shinhed-echi shinhed-echi 's avatar :)
I think thatd be fun.
 
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I really would enjoy if the DQ hero had a light mood in terms of personality, kinda like shinhed-echi shinhed-echi 's avatar :)
I think thatd be fun.
Me too. Now naturally they have to be serious when fighting so I expect a Goku-esque glare. But really, a wide grin with closed eyes can really make all of the difference.
 

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I just want female Erdrick/Roto
 
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