The Gun is Civilization

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"giving" guns to "everyone" would be stupid, since they sooner or later will create something better than the gun and the one wit h that thing will be better than the gun, then everyone has that thing, create another and continue like that. Until everyone has nuclear bombs in their pockets.

 

[saviorslegacy]

@Savior, stating your conclusion doesnt do anything. And what is the point of your example? That guns used for hunting should be included in gun laws?

No, I am pointing out that guns blazing isn't always the answer.........

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

thanks savior. your insight on the matter is much appreciated.

 

[_Keno_]

No, I am pointing out that guns blazing isn't always the answer.........

Who were you telling that to? I think everyone already knows that.

I guess it could have been a reaffirmation...?

 

[saviorslegacy]

Who were you telling that to? I think everyone already knows that.

I guess it could have been a reaffirmation...?

I just wanted that to be put out there. Some people have this bias about gun owners that we want to solve every problem by putting a hole through it. That outlook is true for some people but not for everyone and defiantly not for me. Death is very serious and should be treated with the up most respect and should be prevented at all costs.

 

[Pink Reaper]

My problem with fire arms has always been this:

Im entirely fine with this being legal

But i worry a bit when i find out that this is legal

Nothing you say will convince me that having something like an AR 15 is for protection. Its not something you use to protect yourself, its something you use to kill someone with. From a rather fair distance.

 

[Black Mantis]

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-gunskill.htm

 

[saviorslegacy]

But i worry a bit when i find out that this is legal

Nothing you say will convince me that having something like an AR 15 is for protection. Its not something you use to protect yourself, its something you use to kill someone with. From a rather fair distance.

People like their AR's. My dad was trained to take one apart and put it together blind folded. In the military you get attached to your weapon. Why do you think people name their rifles?
When they leave they want one in civilian life. I know guys that have sunk well over $5,000 into an AR. They get the basic AR and then they get lasers, red dot sights, flash lights, suppressors, trigger work, custom sights, new barrels, forward grips, different kinds of magazines you name it and the AR has it! Guys like the AR because you build it for you. Most guys look at it as a form of art.
Then you have the sport of simulated war if you will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFI0g1dtadw
I have more fun doing something like that than I do playing SSBB. The funnest thing to do is use a crappy gun well. For example, run a black powder revolver.
Guys like to use their fancy AR's though because they are going for the best time.

That said, I honestly do not see any reason for Americans to own a full auto or a 3 round burst gun. An AR is as high as I think we should go. Oh, and I think you are giving the AR to much credit. I have held AR's and went around corners.... if it has a long barrel you over expose yourself. If I decided to become a thug I would choose a sawn off semi automatic shot gun and a glock 17 with extended mags. A sawn of shot gun will give me about 3 shots with a spread over several feet. You cannot miss if you are sober. They are either out of range or dead, period. A Glock 9mm with extended mags will give me 32 (33 if I leave a round in the chamber) rounds to do what you want with. It is very small and requires only one hand so you can conceal yourself around corners and behind cover better than what I could with a rifle. If you keep the glock in a chest rig, the shot gun in a sling and of course mags and shells there ain't nothing except swat that you can't handle.. unless someone shoots ya.


On a side note... there is another sport that I was seriously considering getting into and that is SASS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-N7QwvX-G0
This is the fastest SOB I have ever saw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BwUJ4--Qw&feature=related

 

[Melomaniacal]

Savior, I really wish I could believe you were trolling, because you use some of the most horrendous logic I have ever seen when it comes to defending your guns.

"Forks can kill people so guns are okay."
"A lot of people like their rifles, so they're okay."
"I don't trust the law, so guns are okay. Also you're dumb."
"If everyone carried guns with them all the time, illegally or otherwise, guns wouldn't be a problem."
Words can't describe how bad some of your logic is on this.

I also like how you talk about how if both parties have a gun, you are on equal ground, then you go on to talk about how you would use your 1337 n1nj@ skillz to disarm a mugger, which you can do without a gun.

I'm afraid I may break my nose from all the face-palming you make me do. I'm not even talking about whether or not I disagree with your views, you just embarrass yourself when you try to defend them.

For the record, my feelings on the matter are that even though I am morally against any kind of firearms being available to the public, realistically I know that at this point it is necessary to have them available for self-defense. I do not think automatic rifles and the like should be available, however.

PS: Stop trying to cram your gun knowledge in your posts. We don't care that you know your way around guns, so stop stroking your **** unless it's actually relevant to what people are saying.

 

[john!]

If you're going to quote him, use the quote feature so you don't look like you're putting words in people's mouOH WAIT

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

People like their AR's. My dad was trained to take one apart and put it together blind folded. In the military you get attached to your weapon. Why do you think people name their rifles?
When they leave they want one in civilian life. I know guys that have sunk well over $5,000 into an AR. They get the basic AR and then they get lasers, red dot sights, flash lights, suppressors, trigger work, custom sights, new barrels, forward grips, different kinds of magazines you name it and the AR has it! Guys like the AR because you build it for you. Most guys look at it as a form of art.
Then you have the sport of simulated war if you will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFI0g1dtadw
I have more fun doing something like that than I do playing SSBB. The funnest thing to do is use a crappy gun well. For example, run a black powder revolver.
Guys like to use their fancy AR's though because they are going for the best time.

That said, I honestly do not see any reason for Americans to own a full auto or a 3 round burst gun. An AR is as high as I think we should go. Oh, and I think you are giving the AR to much credit. I have held AR's and went around corners.... if it has a long barrel you over expose yourself. If I decided to become a thug I would choose a sawn off semi automatic shot gun and a glock 17 with extended mags. A sawn of shot gun will give me about 3 shots with a spread over several feet. You cannot miss if you are sober. They are either out of range or dead, period. A Glock 9mm with extended mags will give me 32 (33 if I leave a round in the chamber) rounds to do what you want with. It is very small and requires only one hand so you can conceal yourself around corners and behind cover better than what I could with a rifle. If you keep the glock in a chest rig, the shot gun in a sling and of course mags and shells there ain't nothing except swat that you can't handle.. unless someone shoots ya.


On a side note... there is another sport that I was seriously considering getting into and that is SASS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-N7QwvX-G0
This is the fastest SOB I have ever saw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BwUJ4--Qw&feature=related

HAHAHAHAHA

holy ****

you can't be seroius

 

[Browny]

"If I decided to become a thug I would choose a sawn off semi automatic shot gun and a glock 17 with extended mags. A sawn of shot gun will give me about 3 shots with a spread over several feet. You cannot miss if you are sober."

lol SL's ideal world has every thug walking around carrying a sawn-off shotgun.

I swear the major's OP and the posts which defend it here are basically ignoring all logic, doing anything and everything to attempt to justify ones selfish desire to own a gun. Since convincing the general public that only you should be able to weild a gun is obviously impossible, whats the next step? Make it so every single person has one of course! Who cares about the consequences of such a scenario, as long as someone gets their precious gun, life is fine.

This truly is beyond the whole 'level playing field' and everyone is safer argument in the OP since that is completely and utterly ridiculous, thats not the underlying cause at all. Unless the major is insane, a possibility.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Savior, I really wish I could believe you were trolling, because you use some of the most horrendous logic I have ever seen when it comes to defending your guns.

"Forks can kill people so guns are okay."
"A lot of people like their rifles, so they're okay."
"I don't trust the law, so guns are okay. Also you're dumb."
"If everyone carried guns with them all the time, illegally or otherwise, guns wouldn't be a problem."
Words can't describe how bad some of your logic is on this.

I also like how you talk about how if both parties have a gun, you are on equal ground, then you go on to talk about how you would use your 1337 n1nj@ skillz to disarm a mugger, which you can do without a gun.
That is because a gun does not solve every situation. A situation was presented and I solved it. Turns out a gun is not the best option for that particular situation.

I'm afraid I may break my nose from all the face-palming you make me do. I'm not even talking about whether or not I disagree with your views, you just embarrass yourself when you try to defend them.

For the record, my feelings on the matter are that even though I am morally against any kind of firearms being available to the public, realistically I know that at this point it is necessary to have them available for self-defense. I do not think automatic rifles and the like should be available, however.
I agree... the public has no business owning weapons of that magnitude.

PS: Stop trying to cram your gun knowledge in your posts. We don't care that you know your way around guns, so stop stroking your **** unless it's actually relevant to what people are saying.

*red
*quote that last bit please

I was talking about the ideal weapons for a thug. Everyone seems to go with the CoD mindset and think that they need a fully automatic SCAR with all of the bells and whistles. When in fact a full auto SCAR would probably be a bad choice. That and the Government will track that sale to you and it will cost you thousands of dollars.

HAHAHAHAHA

holy ****

you can't be seroius

I can't be serious about what? The fact that guns are used as a sport or my example on thug weapons?

"If I decided to become a thug I would choose a sawn off semi automatic shot gun and a glock 17 with extended mags. A sawn of shot gun will give me about 3 shots with a spread over several feet. You cannot miss if you are sober."

lol SL's ideal world has every thug walking around carrying a sawn-off shotgun.
My ideal world is for every thug to be DEAD!

I swear the major's OP and the posts which defend it here are basically ignoring all logic, doing anything and everything to attempt to justify ones selfish desire to own a gun. Since convincing the general public that only you should be able to weild a gun is obviously impossible, whats the next step? Make it so every single person has one of course! Who cares about the consequences of such a scenario, as long as someone gets their precious gun, life is fine.

This truly is beyond the whole 'level playing field' and everyone is safer argument in the OP since that is completely and utterly ridiculous, thats not the underlying cause at all. Unless the major is insane, a possibility.

No, it's more like convincing liberals and city folk. -_-
Military, military children, conservatives (mostly), farm folk, mountain folk and country folk all agree that we should have guns.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8jvEJngh4M&feature=related



So are you guys telling me it should be illegal to own... this:

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

How about I just carry a device that can paralyze you for life or kill you at any moment, with the push of a button? I'd prefer that over a gun.

 

[saviorslegacy]

How about I just carry a device that can paralyze you for life or kill you at any moment, with the push of a button? I'd prefer that over a gun.

How about a device that causes the molecules in your body to loose their bond and fall away from each other?
How about a device that if it strikes even your foot you are doomed because you will burst into flames and burn to death.

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

Or how about a weapon where I can kill someone with the pull of a trigger when I'm a blinding fury of rage and have easy access to my gun.

Oops!

 

[john!]

No, it's more like convincing liberals and city folk. -_-
Military, military children, conservatives (mostly), farm folk, mountain folk and country folk all agree that we should have guns.

You're dumb, savior. Young, liberal city kids clearly know more about how the world works than all the other people you mentioned!

 

[saviorslegacy]

You're dumb, savior. Young, liberal city kids clearly know more about how the world works than all the other people you mentioned!

I hope that was joke...........

 

[Deleted member]

He commented on how you used mentioned group to endorse gun legislation.
could you maybe bullet point your original argument before we derive too far of the subject with all these silly examples?

 

[john!]

I was joking. "Young, liberal city kids" probably describes most of the gun control supporters in this thread to some extent.

 

[_Keno_]

So are you guys telling me it should be illegal to own... this:

I dont mind, as long as you have no bullets for it.

 

[saviorslegacy]

I dont mind, as long as you have no bullets for it.

I know how to and do cast bullets for it, I know how to make powder and substitute caps. If I have that gun I can find one way or another to fire it. Wanna drill holes in it? I can find a way to fix that to.
Am I allowed pipe in a time where guns are banned? Cuz if I am I can make make shift shot guns and grenades. Given enough time I could make a rotating shot gun and self contained ammo. It would be expensive though.
You will never ever ever ever rid the world of guns or deadly weapons as long as you have people with brains.

Banning, drilling holes in guns or restricting them will not stop crimes with guns. They have been invented, they can never be uninvented. Why not allow citizens to own them legally to defend themselves?

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

You believe that if something is invented, citizens should be allowed to use/own it? Because it was invented?

 

[§witch]

I know how to and do cast bullets for it, I know how to make powder and substitute caps. If I have that gun I can find one way or another to fire it. Wanna drill holes in it? I can find a way to fix that to.
Am I allowed pipe in a time where guns are banned? Cuz if I am I can make make shift shot guns and grenades. Given enough time I could make a rotating shot gun and self contained ammo. It would be expensive though.
You will never ever ever ever rid the world of guns or deadly weapons as long as you have people with brains.

Banning, drilling holes in guns or restricting them will not stop crimes with guns. They have been invented, they can never be uninvented. Why not allow citizens to own them legally to defend themselves?

I hope you understand that his point was that you shouldn't be able to use one. Not the waving your **** around bull**** you took it to be.

Look at me! I can fix firearms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[saviorslegacy]

You believe that if something is invented, citizens should be allowed to use/own it? Because it was invented?

No... that is not what I said.
If you read back I said that I see no reason for citizens to own fully automatic weapons and 3 round burst guns. BTW, you can own both in the USA with the proper license.

I hope you understand that his point was that you shouldn't be able to use one. Not the waving your **** around bull**** you took it to be.

Look at me! I can fix firearms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His point is flawed because it is a dream. You can't simply disarm everyone. That is not going to happen. For the most part you will be disarming the good guys like you or me (even though I doubt you own a gun).


Also, what's funny is that CHEAP PEACH thinks I shouldn't have bullets for a 150 year old weapon! That gun was used in the Civil War!!!!

 

[Deleted member]

Ok, simple question. why draw the line there?

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

it's very simple.

Guns KILL.

Therefore, especially in a society like the US, widespread usage of guns leads to more KILLING. You can argue with the statistics that support this all you want, but the fact of the matter is that giving more people the power to kill leads to more people exercising that power.


When you own a gun, you have to confront yourself. Any person owning a gun for any reason other than hunting or "sport" has to have admitted that he/she will kill another human being.

Saviorlegacy, have you confronted yourself yet? Have you come to realize that you have the ability to kill another person at the pull of a trigger? Have you thought about the fact that you may one day actually do it?

 

[saviorslegacy]

Ok, simple question. why draw the line there?

To much power. IMO I would never use one because they eat the bullets very quickly but there is so much power behind them that I do not believe that normal citizens should have them. Now I believe cops, SWAT and the military should have them but that is about it.

it's very simple.

Guns KILL.

Therefore, especially in a society like the US, widespread usage of guns leads to more KILLING. You can argue with the statistics that support this all you want, but the fact of the matter is that giving more people the power to kill leads to more people exercising that power.


When you own a gun, you have to confront yourself. Any person owning a gun for any reason other than hunting or "sport" has to have admitted that he/she will kill another human being.

Saviorlegacy, have you confronted yourself yet? Have you come to realize that you have the ability to kill another person at the pull of a trigger? Have you thought about the fact that you may one day actually do it?

Alcohol kills all of the time.
In 2007 41,059 people were killed from drunk driving. That same year 10,086 were killed by guns. Based on these statistics we should be banning alcohol.
Oh wait, we tried that. People made it anyways..... sound familiar?
http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-statistics.html
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_die_due_to_guns_in_america (couldn't find any better statistics on guns so if anyone wouldn't mind linking me that would be great)
So let me be straight up.. have any of you ever drove drunk? Cuz that is way more dangerous than me owning a gun.

It's easy to give someone the power to kill. You can give them hands, swords, knives, baseball bats, weights, car keys ect. ect. ect.
When I was walking a lot with my back pack I messed around with it and figured out some defensive and offensive ways to utilize it. I carried it on one shoulder BTW.
Any object you see can potentially be used as a weapon. HAVEN'T YOU EVER WATCHED JACKIE CHAN!!!!


I do not like killing. Life and death deserve the up most respect.
My answer is yes, if there is no other way. I would shoot to wound first though.
I would not have ran tons of scenarios through my head to figure out the best solution or learned how to fight if I did not think about possibly killing another.
Right now I am in the Navy and awaiting my ship date for boot camp. I will be a medical corpsman for the Marine Corps. Unlike most Navy I will be issued a M16 and a Beretta. If I am forced to use it in Afghan or Iraq I will kill there to. More than likely that will only happen if my unit gets raided.

 

[Deleted member]

and you would expect citizens to carry around an AR? You're drawing a completely arbitrary line here you know.

also, countries have successfully made guns illegal. they''re called europe

 

[saviorslegacy]

and you would expect citizens to carry around an AR? You're drawing a completely arbitrary line here you know.

also, countries have successfully made guns illegal. they''re called europe

No, AR's should just be for sport. I would never use an AR for home defense or any kind of defense... the bullet goes to far. .45 ACP, .38 special, 410 and 12 gauge are what you want to use for personal defense. If anyone tells you that you should use a .22 smack them in the head for their stupidity.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/feb/24/ukguns.news
That is one example of many.
Seriously, where did you hear that all of Europe has guns banned and that they are successful at banning guns?

 

[Deleted member]

Hm, let's see, I live there?

Also, well done, you linked ONE article of an illegal attempt of bringing guns into the UK, THREE years ago.
Also, to counter your selective source with another, here's a quote from wikipedia

Despite its largely urbanised population, the United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world. Its police officers do not routinely carry a firearm, and both the public and the police prefer this to continue.[1] Gun ownership levels have traditionally been low. This was the case even before the imposition of modern firearm legislation.

 

[Melomaniacal]

Okay, savior, if the last situation (a very realistic one) isn't ideal for gun use to protect, what is? What about the same scenario, except this time there is 10 feet between the two of you? Do you honestly think average citizens can draw and fire before they are shot?

What about this scenario:
You are in your home. A man knocks on your door. You open it. He shoots you and robs your house.
Not as common of a scenario, but not impossible, and when more guns are available, we can only see more killings.

Perhaps we could make it more difficult for guns or even bullets to be obtained illegally, or do you think this is impossible? Do you think it's impossible to have stricter regulations?

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

Alcohol kills all of the time.
In 2007 41,059 people were killed from drunk driving. That same year 10,086 were killed by guns. Based on these statistics we should be banning alcohol.
Oh wait, we tried that. People made it anyways..... sound familiar?
http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-statistics.html
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_die_due_to_guns_in_america (couldn't find any better statistics on guns so if anyone wouldn't mind linking me that would be great)
So let me be straight up.. have any of you ever drove drunk? Cuz that is way more dangerous than me owning a gun.

Drunk driving is illegal. durrrrrrrr

It's easy to give someone the power to kill. You can give them hands, swords, knives, baseball bats, weights, car keys ect. ect. ect.
When I was walking a lot with my back pack I messed around with it and figured out some defensive and offensive ways to utilize it. I carried it on one shoulder BTW.
Any object you see can potentially be used as a weapon. HAVEN'T YOU EVER WATCHED JACKIE CHAN!!!!

Can you kill them with the pull of a trigger? Can you kill someone with a bat with the same efficiency as a gun? This argument is idiotic because no weapon kills as instantly as a firearm.

I do not like killing. Life and death deserve the up most respect.
My answer is yes, if there is no other way. I would shoot to wound first though.
I would not have ran tons of scenarios through my head to figure out the best solution or learned how to fight if I did not think about possibly killing another.
Right now I am in the Navy and awaiting my ship date for boot camp. I will be a medical corpsman for the Marine Corps. Unlike most Navy I will be issued a M16 and a Beretta. If I am forced to use it in Afghan or Iraq I will kill there to. More than likely that will only happen if my unit gets raided.

Good. Every gun owner should be aware of their own power.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Hm, let's see, I live there?

Also, well done, you linked ONE article of an illegal attempt of bringing guns into the UK, THREE years ago.
Also, to counter your selective source with another, here's a quote from wikipedia

Here's something more recent: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...errick-Bird-kills-12-then-shoots-himself.html

As I said, unsuccessful. No one, not even the cops had guns to stop him. Your cops are so stupid they don't even carry guns. So some lunatic or lunatics can go on a shooting spree and no one can stop them for the first little bit. You my friend will be defenseless and useless. congrats

Okay, savior, if the last situation (a very realistic one) isn't ideal for gun use to protect, what is? What about the same scenario, except this time there is 10 feet between the two of you? Do you honestly think average citizens can draw and fire before they are shot?

What about this scenario:
You are in your home. A man knocks on your door. You open it. He shoots you and robs your house.
Not as common of a scenario, but not impossible, and when more guns are available, we can only see more killings.

Perhaps we could make it more difficult for guns or even bullets to be obtained illegally, or do you think this is impossible? Do you think it's impossible to have stricter regulations?

I am going to assume you are talking about my diner situation. Please quote next time.
Anyways... if they were not satisfied with the money and starting yelling at cashier then the situation calls for force. Kill the one looking over at everyone first using two shots aimed at his center mass and then quickly shoot the second one in the same spot with 2 shots. Wait for groans or movement.
When you have to kill two targets like that you don't have time to think. You look at where they were and shoot there twice very fast. There is no time to let your brain take in new information of your surroundings. The idea is speed.

For a concealed carry permit you have to be able to draw and shoot accurately with speed.
Personally I take things further and practice until I can do it very very very fast. I like my revolver because I can quick draw it. When I finally decided to quick draw with the weapon loaded I burnt mah freakin hand. The caps shoot fire straight up. I had shot it twice before I quit because I burnt my hand.
Drawing my weapon quickly will not be a problem for me at least.

Though, sometimes the threat of a gun is enough to end a conflict. Look on page one at how my friends mom ended a conflict without pulling the trigger.

I never open the door without looking to see who it is. If I don't know and I don't like the way they look I wont answer. When I was 14 someone pulled into the drive way and went around back. I got my dads .45 and took pictures of the dudes license plate. I sat in the front room waiting for him to break in (I was home alone BTW). When dad got home he laughed because that guy was a friend from work that was looking at his gas meter.
But to answer your question..... I would be dead.

Dude, what do you mean "more available"? How available should guns get!? You can get guns everywhere. They're at yard sales, flea markets, gun shows (flea market for guns.... I love gun shows), wal-mart, target, privately owned businesses and peoples houses (steal them). It is not hard to find guns one bit. In fact, I go shopping. I try and find guns and haggle. I got a sniper rifle for my buddy this year for $80! It was a Mosin Nagant from WW2 (for you CoD fans it is the sniper rifle used by Domitri in Stalingrad in WaW). He of course bought it, I just haggled it.
So yeah.... very available.


The problem with the black market is they are making illegal weapons. They are taking something like an SKS and modifying it to be fully automatic. Same thing with Glocks, 1911's (), AK's, AR's, M1 Granads (they defile these beautiful weapons) or any semi auto gun. Same thing with shortened shot guns. They can also make pipe bombs.
It is pretty impossible to control this. The guys who are law abiding stay the hell away from these. You face large fines and 10 years of jail if you get caught with one in your possession.

Bullets obtained illegally?........

HOW THE HELL ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO CONTROL HOW BULLETS ARE USED!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!!??!?!?!?!??! The guys using shooting for fun can easily burn through 300 bullets or more at one sitting. It already costs $15 for 20 Winchester 30-30. I shoot my black powder revolver at close to 10 cents a shot though.
Seriously though, there is no way to regulate ammo. That like trying to guess if someone is going to use that bottle of wine to get **** faced and then drive later or to drink slowly over the next week.

Drunk driving is illegal. durrrrrrrr


Can you kill them with the pull of a trigger? Can you kill someone with a bat with the same efficiency as a gun? This argument is idiotic because no weapon kills as instantly as a firearm.

People do it anyways. durrrrrrrr

That is bull crap. A baseball bat is way more efficient than a .22. At least if a baseball bat hits you in the head you're gonna die.
A .45 will do as much damage as a sharpened stick.
Now hollow points and long rounds like the M16 are pretty unique. Same as the energy generated from a sawn off shot gun. If you take a sawn off shot gun to the chest with kevlar on the buck shot will not go through but you will still probably die.
Anyways, 50 to 60% of all bullets are can do just as much damage as some melee weapons. Either way you will still die extremely quickly if the aggressor knows what they are doing.

 

[Deleted member]

Here's something more recent: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...errick-Bird-kills-12-then-shoots-himself.html

As I said, unsuccessful. No one, not even the cops had guns to stop him. Your cops are so stupid they don't even carry guns. So some lunatic or lunatics can go on a shooting spree and no one can stop them for the first little bit. You my friend will be defenseless and useless. congrats

Well done linking an english article while I live in holland.
even so, the murder rate in england is way lower than in the USA. Yes, a lunatic could go on a spree, but apparently there are more lunatics per capita in the US then.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
...

# 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people
that's a factor 4 difference.
also, the USA is 6 places above the first listed west-european country.

 

[§witch]

I never open the door without looking to see who it is. If I don't know and I don't like the way they look I wont answer. When I was 14 someone pulled into the drive way and went around back. I got my dads .45 and took pictures of the dudes license plate. I sat in the front room waiting for him to break in (I was home alone BTW). When dad got home he laughed because that guy was a friend from work that was looking at his gas meter.
But to answer your question..... I would be dead.

This just makes you look like a paranoid nutter.

Dude, what do you mean "more available"? How available should guns get!? You can get guns everywhere. They're at yard sales, flea markets, gun shows (flea market for guns.... I love gun shows), wal-mart, target, privately owned businesses and peoples houses (steal them). It is not hard to find guns one bit. In fact, I go shopping. I try and find guns and haggle. I got a sniper rifle for my buddy this year for $80! It was a Mosin Nagant from WW2 (for you CoD fans it is the sniper rifle used by Domitri in Stalingrad in WaW). He of course bought it, I just haggled it.
So yeah.... very available.

Guns are that available because you live in some backwater town. I hope you understand that you can't buy guns everywhere in most civilized parts of the world.

 

[saviorslegacy]

This just makes you look like a paranoid nutter.


Guns are that available because you live in some backwater town. I hope you understand that you can't buy guns everywhere in most civilized parts of the world.

That is what dad taught me to do.


I drive to Ohio's capital city Columbus to go to gun shows BTW. The ones around here succcck.

 

[Dr_Strangelove]

Recent massacre has occurred in gunland america. this might not have happened if you weren't so liberal with your gun laws.

You don't need guns to defend yourself. I grew up in inner city London and didn't need them to survive.
A country without guns means that calling the police is actually an effective strategy. you gun-happy (I realise this is not all americans) americans have so much so much to learn, but I know from experience that arguing with you is not effective as you seem to use the "constitution" (whatever the **** that is to the rest of the world) as an argument, because you're ********. So I'll just let you get on with it.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Recent massacre has occurred in gunland america. this might not have happened if you weren't so liberal with your gun laws.

You don't need guns to defend yourself. I grew up in inner city London and didn't need them to survive.
A country without guns means that calling the police is actually an effective strategy. you gun-happy (I realise this is not all americans) americans have so much so much to learn, but I know from experience that arguing with you is not effective as you seem to use the "constitution" (whatever the **** that is to the rest of the world) as an argument, because you're ********. So I'll just let you get on with it.

 

[§witch]

I love using gifs as a response even though it makes me look like a ******.