The Genesis 4 Discussion Thread

[Hippieslayer]

They really shouldve redone the entire sets offstream like someone else said.

Also... Ally playing mad good.. but the marth matchup is so bad.. gah.

 

[Das Koopa]

I'm not changing scores for the database when the results were clearly tilted in one player's favor regardless of the 0.9 knockback hit. 3-1 in both accounts (4-1 technically for Zack). Neither set was particularly close so I don't feel the need to discredit the work Leo and Ally put forth (or the work ZeRo and Zack put forth in LQ) when it's unlikely the sets would've been different. ZeRo has a blowout set record on Dabuz, outplayed him in neutral, 2 stocked him twice, etc. A couple of Luma jab confirms would not have changed the set result unless Dabuz got multiple unlikely gimps.

Zack vs. Komo is way more suspect because of how game 3 ended but Zack utterly ruined Komo in their 5th game anyway. I don't see a point in contesting the results after-the-fact for the database when the writing was on the wall in both circumstances from how the players played their respective sets.

 

[Nathan Richardson]

And now with this whole launch rate thing we now have tor reevaluate all of those upset wins.....this is on par with a celebrity scandal! What are the TOs thinking?!?

 

[Ziodyne 21]

We have to wonder just how many matches were even affected by the 0.9 lauch rate debacle. With a tournament of this size and scale it could be nigh impossible to figure how many (or few) had the wrong settings

EDIT: DasKoopa I Stand Corrected. But still I wonder how something like this even happened unless someone intenionally went into the fight rules setting and made that one specific change

 

[Das Koopa]

And now with this whole launch rate thing we now have tor reevaluate all of those upset wins.....this is on par with a celebrity scandal! What are the TOs thinking?!?

this is just the one setup they put on stage after 64

 

[TTTTTsd]

I'm not changing scores for the database when the results were clearly tilted in one player's favor regardless of the 0.9 knockback hit. 3-1 in both accounts (4-1 technically for Zack). Neither set was particularly close so I don't feel the need to discredit the work Leo and Ally put forth (or the work ZeRo and Zack put forth in LQ) when it's unlikely the sets would've been different. ZeRo has a blowout set record on Dabuz, outplayed him in neutral, 2 stocked him twice, etc. A couple of Luma jab confirms would not have changed the set result unless Dabuz got multiple unlikely gimps.

Zack vs. Komo is way more suspect because of how game 3 ended but Zack utterly ruined Komo in their 5th game anyway. I don't see a point in contesting the results after-the-fact for the database when the writing was on the wall in both circumstances from how the players played their respective sets.

I think both should be considered solely because 0.9 affects EVERY FACET OF THE GAME AT EVERY STAGE. It is almost without peer how much that changes.

The fact that they didn't replay the sets means we do not have the means to declare an authentic win, ergo it is....unfortunately, fraudulent.

It feels awful to say this but who even cares about the Top 8 now? It means nothing at this point, and it's just discouraging to see how LITTLE the TOs valued the authenticity of the event in deciding against letting the players REPLAY THE SETS (even offstream for pete's sakes!)

Pardon me if I sound pushy, but I disagree. I think both matches are suspect and both players in either set were negatively affected by it. I don't think precedence or how the games went are relevant when the basic knockback formula (the MERE MEANING behind how Smash hitconfirms are) was offkilter. That's like if you switched the histun values of SF2 with SF3. It's not authentic.

 

[freypies]

Also don't forget how they messed up who plays who in one of the pools yesterday, resulting in brackets being flipped.

Kameme, who was supposed to play Larry in losers, had to instead play Marss instead.

Honestly, G4 as a whole was an incredibly disappointing and poorly run tournament.

 

[Nathan Richardson]

True there were way too many good players participating plus the streaming was crap so we don't have multiple sets of eyes to determine if this 0.9 launch debacle happened on their sets or not. This really sucks!

 

[Ziodyne 21]

If anyone is still watching the tournament after this whole mess.what are the standings now? I heard that Leo beat Ally right?

 

[Nathan Richardson]

I don't think anyone's going to watch it now due to the massive mistakes that were made all tournament. We can't trust the results now due to this latest goof up.

 

[Das Koopa]

I think both should be considered solely because 0.9 affects EVERY FACET OF THE GAME AT EVERY STAGE. It is almost without peer how much that changes.

The fact that they didn't replay the sets means we do not have the means to declare an authentic win, ergo it is....unfortunately, fraudulent.

It feels awful to say this but who even cares about the Top 8 now? It means nothing at this point, and it's just discouraging to see how LITTLE the TOs valued the authenticity of the event in deciding against letting the players REPLAY THE SETS (even offstream for pete's sakes!)

Pardon me if I sound pushy, but I disagree. I think both matches are suspect and both players in either set were negatively affected by it. I don't think precedence or how the games went are relevant when the basic knockback formula (the MERE MEANING behind how Smash hitconfirms are) was offkilter. That's like if you switched the histun values of SF2 with SF3. It's not authentic.

I get what you're saying, but it's simultaneously asking me to discredit all of top 8 and every legitimate accomplishment every other player made. Zack and ZeRo still went through the rest of their brackets legitimately. Nothing went wrong winners side, etc.

The most I'll do is not use Dabuz/ZeRo and Zack/Komo in OrionRank 2017's set histories.

 

[TTTTTsd]

I get what you're saying, but it's simultaneously asking me to discredit all of top 8 and every legitimate accomplishment every other player made. Zack and ZeRo still went through the rest of their brackets legitimately. Nothing went wrong winners side, etc.

The most I'll do is not use Dabuz/ZeRo and Zack/Komo in OrionRank 2017's set histories.

That is a fair compromise, though I still think the legitimacy of this Top 8 as a whole is thrown into whack due to this **** up.

It's really a shame.

 

[Ziodyne 21]

Well for who still cares anyway.

Leo3-1 over Ally in Winners Finals

Zero 3-0 over Captian Zack in Loser's Semis


Losers Finals between Zero and Ally are happening now

 

[Big-Cat]

I get what you're saying, but it's simultaneously asking me to discredit all of top 8 and every legitimate accomplishment every other player made. Zack and ZeRo still went through the rest of their brackets legitimately. Nothing went wrong winners side, etc.

The most I'll do is not use Dabuz/ZeRo and Zack/Komo in OrionRank 2017's set histories.

And compensate Dabuz and Komo.

 

[Aaron1997]

I'm worried about Komo. His tweet does not sound good. I don't want such a talented player quit because TO couldn't run a tourney correctly.

 

[TTTTTsd]

I'm worried about Komo. His tweet does not sound good. I don't want such a talented player quit because TO cloud run a tourney correctly.

He's also quitting because they tried to scapegoat him and I imagine that did NOT help. Ick.

 

[TDK]

What a bull**** tournament. Geez. I'm glad I missed it.

 

[Ziodyne 21]

I'm worried about Komo. His tweet does not sound good. I don't want such a talented player quit because TO cloud run a tourney correctly.

There were really no winners in that situation. Komo is going to always feel cheated here even with the last fight redone (Not saying that is not entirely unhustified about it)

Meanwhile as it was mentioned in an earlier post. Captain Zack, in what is now supposed to be considered his best performance yet at a large-scale major (4th place "officially") Will always be called into question and not taken fully legitimate because of the events that transpired

 

[Das Koopa]

Grand Finals are occurring totally untainted

 

[NotLiquid]

Ally 3 - 2 ZeRo

I wonder how much the opinion of Duck Hunt will go down after that flubbed limit.

 

[Hippieslayer]

And compensate Dabuz and Komo.

Definitely agree. They should be compensated. If they aren't it's crappy as ****.

Damn Ally is relentless.

 

[Wintermelon43]

There were really no winners in that situation. Komo is going to always feel cheated here even with the last fight redone (Not saying that is not entirely justified)

Meanwhile as it was mentioned in an earlier post. Captain Zack, in what is now supposed to be considered his best performance yet at a large-scale major (4th place "officially") Will always be called into question and not taken fully legitimate because of the events that transpired

Also, not that this really matters, but every time he goes on stream, the twitch chat will be "0.9"

 

[Ziodyne 21]

Well no matter what yu think about this tournament. Leo and Ally completely owned it. Taking 1st place in doubles as a team an now will be taking 1st and 2nd place in singles.

 

[Laken64]

Ally 3 - 2 ZeRo

I wonder how much the opinion of Duck Hunt will go down after that flubbed limit.

Jeez ZeRo almost pulling a Mr R, but what is the score? 6-2 Ally favor?

 

[L9999]

Ally 3 - 2 ZeRo

I wonder how much the opinion of Duck Hunt will go down after that flubbed limit.

2 questions. Number 1 why did ZeRo used Cloud? Number 2, what stupid gimmick happened this time?

Well no matter what. Is could be said that both Leo and Ally completely too Smash 4 at Genesis 4. Taking 1st place in doubles and now will be taking 1st and 2nd place in singles.

But Mario sucks amirite?

 

[Nathan Richardson]

*sighs* komo being scapegoated, upset players, crappy streaming, all on what's supposed to be a major tourney....this....is depressing. Now it's making me again question getting into this competitively. Especially when the TOs blame the players instead of taking responsibility.

 

[Goombo]

I wonder how much the opinion of Duck Hunt will go down after that flubbed limit.

What had Duck Hunt to do with anything?

 

[Ziodyne 21]

Also, not that this really matters, but every time he goes on stream, the twitch chat will be "0.9"

Oops I meant justified. Komo DOES have some justification to be salty about the whole mess.

 

[chaos11011]

THE BROOD CURSE LIVES ON WITH THAT SD

 

[TDK]

Why couldn't they have just redone the entire top 8? Would it really have been that hard?

 

[Nathan Richardson]

Exactly the whole thing stinks of lazyness to me tbh.

 

[NotLiquid]

What had Duck Hunt to do with anything?

Nvm my earlier quote I misjudged what happened at the end when ZeRo's limit cross slash somehow completely stopped after the first slash.

MKLeo 3 - 2 Ally

1st. MKLeo
2nd. Ally
3rd. ZeRo
4th. CaptainZack
5th. Mr R
5th. Abadango
7th. Komorikiri
7th. Dabuz

 

[Lord Dio]

Welp, thinitial part of the mess is finally over. Thank god....now we have to go through the controversy.
This is literally going to be remembered for being an absolute mess of a major, or at least my isntinct says so.

 

[ReroRero]

Really a lame top 8, not only because of the 0.9 bull****.

I'm just tired of seeing always not heavy characters survive consistantly beyond 150% and finishing this with a random killthrow.

 

[Laken64]

Of course it's the first major of the year that had so much hype behind it. This isn't leaving people's heads any time soon, pretty much on par with evo 2016 and its scrappy setups for sm4sh

 

[Trunks159]

Leo used Cloud on practically everyone but Ally and Mr R

 

[Goombo]

Welp, thinitial part of the mess is finally over.

Not quite

Spoiler

I'm really good at Mario Brothers 😍 pic.twitter.com/VMMrYxs6kn

— Liquid | Dabuz (@DabuzSenpai) January 23, 2017

 

[Fenny]

I'm really good at Mario Brothers 😍 pic.twitter.com/VMMrYxs6kn

— Liquid | Dabuz (@DabuzSenpai) January 23, 2017

......

 

[Trunks159]

Really a lame top 8, not only because of the 0.9 bull****.

I'm just tired of seeing always not heavy characters survive consistantly beyond 150% and finishing this with a random killthrow.

Random killthrow? Theres nothing random about them. Here's the thing, when "not heavy" characters fight "not heavy" characters, they live long, not usually above 150%.

I think the tournament was fine, pretty good even. Sure mistakes were made, but ultimately I doubt the results would change.

 

[Envoy of Chaos]

They even got the wrong thing on the medals look at Dabuz' twitter

Lmao