Social The Gates of Hell: Bayonetta Social Thread

[Greda]

There's only like 40 hours left until her release!
Hold on, gorl!

But seriously, going to school on Wednesday is going to be literal torture. :/

4PM PST release would let most get it when it releases. Also I might be wrong, but wasn't there a DLC character that got released then..?

For some reason this post got duplicated.

 

[Hinata]

Welcome back, guys. Now we can continue discussing our favorite witch.

I'm watching the videos again and the people who are playing Bayonetta on all three seem like this is the first time playing the character. To be honest, it probably was. Maybe some had practice beforehand.

I feel the same way. Everyone who's seen those videos is like "Yo, Corrin is WAY better than Bayonetta!"

And I'm like "The only reason Corrin won those matches is because the Bayonetta player sucked."

Or maybe that's just me being salty. Heheh.

 

[Greda]

I feel the same way. Everyone who's seen those videos is like "Yo, Corrin is WAY better than Bayonetta!"

And I'm like "The only reason Corrin won those matches is because the Bayonetta player sucked."

Or maybe that's just me being salty. Heheh.

I wrote a pages worth of text to my friend why the Bayonetta in all three matches sucked and we were both laughing at the silly mistakes. The people playing Corrin were actually good.

 

[Lorde]

4PM PST release would let most get it when it releases. Also I might be wrong, but wasn't there a DLC character that got released then..?

Mewtwo was released really early, but I didn't get my code until 9 AM EST.
Lucas, Roy, and Ryu were released at like 12 PM EST.
Idk what time Cloud was released, so maybe that's who you were thinking of.

But Bayo and Corrin could be released at any time, really. All they said was "afternoon."

 

[David Viran]

I feel the same way. Everyone who's seen those videos is like "Yo, Corrin is WAY better than Bayonetta!"

And I'm like "The only reason Corrin won those matches is because the Bayonetta player sucked."

Or maybe that's just me being salty. Heheh.

The first match on the niconico stream had komo play bayo against shu's corrin and komo won. They are both really good players too.

 

[「 Derk 」]

It's only a few days away. May as well watch the videos and learn a little about the character before hand. I picked up a couple of things so far from the videos that I can't way to play around with. Afterburner kick bounces off walls which is cool for high recovery mix ups (not sure if it counts as hitting for a 2nd afterburner though). It can be used similar to bouncing fish to quickly escape pressure. It doesn't seem to edge cancel though which is a little disappointing. Her up air also has a very different multi-hitbox if you hold the button that can probably catch air dodges (Seems to be lagless like her regular uair and fully covers the front and back of Bayonetta). Her rolls seem to have Bat's within built in which is really interesting... Not sure if that is a good or bad thing since you take damage. Can't wait to lab with Bayonetta!

 

[Mr_Kreep3r]

Can we talk about how in the Nintendo footage they go for 0 grabs... new meta.

Something neat..

Spoiler: Kill Confirm?

Uptilt > Up B > Uair? seems Bayo might not struggle too hard to kill.

Spoiler: ? ? ?

Disjoints?

 

[Wolfie557]

So while Smashboards was hacked, I managed to progress some more in Bayonetta 2. Basically for Bayonetta I only have the B1 Samus costume left to purchase and in Tag Climax the Rodin card + Rodin to unlock.

I am never attempting to beat Rodin on x 1 star lmao. How the hell do you have enough time to Witch Time/ jump up with that one move where he lits up the ground in purple fire so quickly? wtf. I'll try with better weapons next time and with easiest difficulty.

Also, new videos! ^.^

 

[Greda]

seems Bayo might not struggle too hard to kill.

I don't think Bayo will struggle to kill. Witch Time is an easy kill confirm with an insane failsafe. Besides that, Bayo can easily go to the top of the blast zone and Uair. Bair looks like it could be used for killing, too. Dsmash and Dair also spike, though I wouldn't be counting on those for her main way to take stocks.

 

[Mr_Kreep3r]

I don't think Bayo will struggle to kill. Witch Time is an easy kill confirm with an insane failsafe. Besides that, Bayo can easily go to the top of the blast zone and Uair. Bair looks like it could be used for killing, too. Dsmash and Dair also spike.

Yea after nico nico everyone came in here trying to deconfirm the new blast zone queen. I'm reassuring people she is definitely somewhat high tier. Her frame data from the 60fps footage looks a little bad, but I think Bayo will have a Crazy strong punish game.

I wan't to see how high in the blast zone I can take my opponent before I kill them.

 

[Lorde]

I honestly die a little bit on the inside when people say that Bayonetta is "definitely high/top tier" before she's even released

 

[Spelt]

I think it's a little (a lot) too early to be theorizing how good she is and what her tier position is. Let's just wait and see what happens. It's not the end of the world if she doesn't end up high tier. People who really wanna play her will continue to do so.

 

[Greda]

Yea after nico nico everyone came in here trying to deconfirm the new blast zone queen. I'm reassuring people she is definitely somewhat high tier. Her frame data from the 60fps footage looks a little bad, but I think Bayo will have a Crazy strong punish game.

I wan't to see how high in the blast zone I can take my opponent before I kill them.

Pretty high if you start off in the air is my guess. I also saw the guy at niconico get a Uair off After Burner Kick and Witch Twist so I'm sure blast zones can work in her favor. It's not like Sakurai isn't familiar with kills from taking your opponent high.

 

[Mr_Kreep3r]

I honestly die a little bit on the inside when people say that Bayonetta is "definitely high/top tier" before she's even released

I said "somewhat" D:

I think it's a little (a lot) too early to be theorizing how good she is and what her tier position is. Let's just wait and see what happens. It's not the end of the world if she doesn't end up high tier. People who really wanna play her will continue to do so.

Could be Zelda tier and I'll still main her.

 

[David Viran]

It's not like Sakurai isn't familiar with kills from taking your opponent high.

Well he said after the niconico tournament that he was impressed with mk and zss's death combos so...

 

[Greda]

Could be Zelda tier and I'll still main her.

She'll never be Zelda tier.

Well he said after the niconico tournament sakurai said that he was impressed with mk and zss's death combos so...

That's actually what I was referencing!

 

[Spelt]

I honestly kind of hope she's not good, because as long as she's fun I couldn't care less about her character strength. And if she's high/top tier everyone and their kitchen sink is going to play her and all I'm going to see if a wall of bayonetta dittos.

 

[Lorde]

I honestly kind of hope she's not good, because as long as she's fun I couldn't care less about her character strength. And if she's high/top tier everyone and their kitchen sink is going to play her and all I'm going to see if a wall of bayonetta dittos.

I agree. I was the same way with Rosalina, since she was the character I wanted most to get into Smash 4 (I didn't think Bayo would ever get in). Then they announced her as a puppet character with Luma, and I knew my dream was over lol.

Obviously, I don't give a **** about viability, considering I've mained Zelda forever. I play characters that I find fun, not because they're good/top tier or whatever.

 

[Mr_Kreep3r]

Gentlemens' agreement both Bayo players must have a taunt battle before starting the match.

 

[Spelt]

gentleman's agreement: first one to do a taunt mid combo is the true winner

 

[Greda]

gentleman's agreement: first one to do a taunt mid combo is the true winner

Remember, taunting into taunt is a true combo.

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I honestly hope she is a good and viable character, considering how all my mains weren't and I had a tough time competing with them. I still did well but they didn't have that zing to make them fun and great to play at that level. They were Palutena and Wii Fit Trainer.

 

[Mr_Kreep3r]

What if we just taunted for 6 mins every game... what would a TO do?

Edit: Or a bullet arts only battle

 

[Lorde]

Palutena is pretty bad.
Wii Fit is surprisingly good. Not great or anything, but way better than I initially gave her credit for.
But at least you weren't maining Jigglypuff or anything. She's on par with Zelda in this game lol.

Besides, if you truly are dedicated to a character, match-ups shouldn't really matter to you.

Personally, I have a ton of fun playing lower-tiered characters because I don't care about their MU spreads. However, I do like to use characters like Rosalina when I play with my friends because I like to make them suffer. Early uair kills are the easiest way to make them regret playing.

 

[Greda]

MU spreads don't really matter to me. It's just that the way they were designed didn't really let me have fun with them at that level. I do have fun with others though, like Zelda, but I could never bring myself to actually play as them. Oddly enough, almost every high tier character follows this same rule.

 

[Zajice]

I honestly kind of hope she's not good, because as long as she's fun I couldn't care less about her character strength. And if she's high/top tier everyone and their kitchen sink is going to play her and all I'm going to see if a wall of bayonetta dittos.

But they just made an official tier list 2 days before the patch hits. We gotta at least theorycraft her position so it doesn't go to total waste on the 3rd.

 

[Lorde]

Avoid playing Zelda at all costs.

I've gotten to the point where I feel bad for newer Zelda mains because they're only setting themselves up for disappointment.

 

[Hinata]

gentleman's agreement: first one to do a taunt mid combo is the true winner

Gentlemens' agreement both Bayo players must have a taunt battle before starting the match.

Remember, taunting into taunt is a true combo.

Moral of the story: All Bayonetta mains must master the act of taunting.

 

[wedl!!]

It's really embarrassing when competitive discuisson from a social thread is more constructive and has more data than a dedicated metagame discussion thread. Regardless, nice finds Mr_Kreep3r !

 

[Ffamran]

Edit: Or a bullet arts only battle

Oo! Laser tag!

 

[Mr_Kreep3r]

It's really embarrassing when competitive discuisson from a social thread is more constructive and has more data than a dedicated metagame discussion thread. Regardless, nice finds Mr_Kreep3r !

Thats my b mainly there is like no actual specualtion thread and each specific element of bayo had its own thread. Most were reserved kinda for on release data. I apologize I just figured here would be better place til release. >.<

 

[wedl!!]

No I'm not saying this is bad for a social.

I'm just talking about the Character Competitive Impressions thread, which has devolved into whining for buffs and ad hominen attacks at dissenting opinions.

 

[Greda]

Oo! Laser tag!

Bullet Arts stamina battles are something I'm willing to sign up for.

 

[Mr_Kreep3r]

Bullet Arts stamina battles are something I'm willing to sign up for.

So should it be 1 stock 3 mins bullet arts and Nuetral B only most %percent taken loses?

Edit: NVM STAMINA MODE I FORGET sorry... forgot that was a thing lol

 

[Hinata]

Bullet Arts stamina battles are something I'm willing to sign up for.

Yes, please. I am 100% down for that.

 

[meleebrawler]

I feel the same way. Everyone who's seen those videos is like "Yo, Corrin is WAY better than Bayonetta!"

And I'm like "The only reason Corrin won those matches is because the Bayonetta player sucked."

Or maybe that's just me being salty. Heheh.

It's pretty clear that Smash fundamentals alone won't get you far with Bayonetta, more so than with Ryu anyway. You really need to play her like you would in her game, using bullet arts to chip at distant opponents until they close in, then dodge and counter with Witch Time to lay down the hurt. At least I feel that's what he modus operandi will be.

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Spoiler: ? ? ?

Disjoints?

Well, it IS a pistol whip with a gun made out of alloy that the devil would kill for... because of this I think most of her "punch" moves will actually be small disjoints.

 

[Hinata]

It's pretty clear that Smash fundamentals alone won't get you far with Bayonetta, more so than with Ryu anyway. You really need to play her like you would in her game, using bullet arts to chip at distant opponents until they close in, then dodge and counter with Witch Time to lay down the hurt. At least I feel that's what he modus operandi will be.

I am more than prepared to play her that way. I've been practicing combos in Bayo 2 for a while. It's not all THAT useful in the long run, but I feel like it'll give me a head start of some kind.

 

[Skyfox2000]

I'll definitely have to lab Bayonetta and grind her for a couple of days like I did with Cloud.

 

[Mr_Kreep3r]

It's pretty clear that Smash fundamentals alone won't get you far with Bayonetta, more so than with Ryu anyway. You really need to play her like you would in her game, using bullet arts to chip at distant opponents until they close in, then dodge and counter with Witch Time to lay down the hurt. At least I feel that's what he modus operandi will be.



Well, it IS a pistol whip with a gun made out of alloy that the devil would kill for... because of this I think most of her "punch" moves will actually be small disjoints.

It was the fact that the move looked like it finished but the trail still has a active hitbox so the sword clanked with the trail. Anyone have a source material refrence to why it does this in smash?

 

[Masque]

I want to make my anger public about "Fly me to the Moon" not being in the game, which is one of my favourite songs thanks to both Bayo and NGE.
I very well understand why it's not in, but I'm still sad about it.

Glad to hear there's another NGE devotee among us. Asuka is my spirit animal <3
Also, the bass in the Bayo arrangement has absolutely zero chill!

I honestly hope she is a good and viable character, considering how all my mains weren't and I had a tough time competing with them. I still did well but they didn't have that zing to make them fun and great to play at that level. They were Palutena and Wii Fit Trainer.

As a fellow Palutena main, I know your pain all too well. I still love her, but I wish every matchup didn't feel like an uphill battle. :/

 

[ShadowGuy1]

Yooooo, I am going to be maining Bayonetta and she look amazing!!!! I am soo excited for both Corrin and Bayonetta and Bayo's combos and witch time LOOK AMAZING.