The Founding of D Gamesia - Game over? Who scum wins reigned supreme in DGames?

[Purple]

Thoughts about yhe GAME ryker

 

[Meadowsizzle]

Thoughts about yhe GAME ryker

We will refuse to answer to anyone who does not refer to us as Meredith Ruby Brandy Meadowsizzle III, Esq.

 

[Purple]

I'm not asking the hydra as a whole, I'm asking you, Ryker.

But mrmb3 for short

 

[Meadowsizzle]

But mrmb3 for short

We will refuse to answer to anyone who does not refer to us as Meredith Ruby Brandy Meadowsizzle III, Esq.

 

[CT Chia]

@Chibo: What are your thoughts on dud3r's aggression towards Raziek?

Everything null for me. I think it wasn't just to call Raz out on fluff but it wasn't really bad though. On the other end I didn't see Raz do anything wrong.

Also you can set your text to automatically be a color in your user cp so you don't have to add the color tags.

 

[CT Chia]

Stupid me I'm making a big *** post and I accidentally made that one reply into it's own thing <_<

big post coming very soon

 

[-Vocal-]

Everything null for me. I think it wasn't just to call Raz out on fluff but it wasn't really bad though. On the other end I didn't see Raz do anything wrong.

Also you can set your text to automatically be a color in your user cp so you don't have to add the color tags.

I know I can set it, but then it doesn't keep the color when people quote me. *shrug*

 

[CT Chia]

@chibo: i will, however, indulge my time into this. there was a night phase and there are no anti killing or protective roles - you just answered your own unnecessary question, then, didn't you? #1 dumb or scum - why are you asking a question that you can already surmise the answer to? are you scum trying to drop IMNOTSCUM tells by asking this question already knowing that you didnt get a kill night 0?

It was my initial reaction when I say day start without someone dead since I thought there would be someone and was wondering if it would be me or not.

Nah, i just said he is a smart knave, which is just flavor for hi Kooz

I don't see how that is flavor, saying thedud3r would be a good king then just later saying o lol i was just saying hi to kuz with flavor.

Say hi to him on aim or via vm <_<

No, J, i'm just asking you why are you so concerned with a flavor post and trying to use as something against me.

Why are you so worried about it?

@Purple That i did, kooz is a smart player, so is Tom, listen to what they say.

Really not a good mindset imo

/done having this ******** arguement

^^^
Not liking Soupa too much because of this whole back and forth


@duder Can you give an example of a game where voting screwed over town, and it wasn't required?

How OOC for you Soup.

I don't even know what OOC means... except for out of country

Allow me to rephrase:

Old soup would be annoyed with beat easier but i do not see anything much wrong with beat and in fact like him.

Raziek is scummy, he was quick to apologize over his own opinion and is over-compensating things.

And you were so quick to be bent out of shape over the comment about flavor. And you're worried about Raziek instead? lol

We can't be friends anymore.

Confirming that Lord Zen is a suitable title inside & outside this game.

Agreed.

@Sword: We're already out. Games like this usually get going right away naturally since everyone has the potential to die. Also see above.

Vote Counts aren't going to work. No point in discussing it.

This is like your first real comment on the game so far, and that's it? No discussion on Soup or Raz?

What do people think about Kingmaker claiming?

How is this beneficial?

its not that hard to figure out the pro to kingmaker-claiming like zen is suggesting

Then why didn't you suggest it?

Alright, I have the password now.

We will refuse to answer to anyone who does not refer to us as Meredith Ruby Brandy Meadowsizzle III, Esq.

When (not if) we are given king, we will be shooting Forever Zero (assuming he is alive), no questions asked. If Sworddancer would kindly accomplish this task for us, then we will be super obv town and win the game.

Also, voting system be damned, I'm not keeping up with it. You can tell that we want to shoot F0.

Who are you, you aren't in the OP list of players.

And if you're a hydra plz change your location

Instead of having kingmaker claim, just have everyone publicly claim who they want crowned before our Rabbit King executes someone. That way the KM can just check what the majority/people he or she trusts/whatever wants.

This is no different than voting on who to kill really. It still introduces the chance of the 3 scum steering us in the wrong direction.

Voting for someone not in the game?

FoS @ Marluxia_

Zεη, your thoughts?

But Zen is in the game?
But then you reference him wtf is up with everything

To be fair, to the thread, I'm in Skype talking to Gorf about my personal stance on hydra logs. I don't think there isn't a hydra here at a level that can't realistically fake hydra logs. I think timestamps simply are too much to be metagamed even if you allow hydra logs. I don't have an issue with hydra logs being allowed in this game as long as timestamps aren't and as long as people don't go out of their way to break the game utilizing them. I can think of a couple ways you could do it off the top of my head, but I'm not about to use them because I have a line I won't cross in mafia metagaming (I being Ryker). I don't want the thread to degenerate into hydra log legality and ethics discussion, but really don't give a **** if you post it here, but I recommend PMing the mod. The only reason I posted this here was because there are other players in this skype call (Kuz, Raziek, and Moth) and I didn't think it cool not to put the same information here.

Also, for the record our hydra logs will have some text, but mostly take place over voice, so don't expect them often if they are allowed.

Such complication, this is one of the reasons I don't like hydras.

When do people even have regular conversations with themselves lol

You really gonna do this?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I said it in BiM4 and I'll say it again.

Votecounts in games that don't warrant them are the dumbest idea this side of memphis. We don't have deadline nor do we need the town's majority to make any important decision so we don't need to bother with it. In that game in particular we had scum sneak by a situation which would have normally got him lynched because he was so vehemently supporting the implementation of votecounts that everyone thought he was too pro-town to be scum. It gives scum a chance to act like they want people leaving a permanent voting trail while in reality they can just use it to their advantage knowing that any of the dayvigs (king in this case) can choose someone completely irrelevant than who the wagon is on.

tl;dr its not necessary and we aren't using it.

You are wise and true of heart. I expected no less of an answer from thou.

However, my dear friend, you compare the use of vote counts in this game to that of BIM 4, but arn'th they thouth different? In BIM, almost EVERYONE had the tools for murder, but in this game, only thou truest currently has that ability. Does this knowledge not change ones opinion?

How the bell can you wagon someone when no one really matters to the kill except the king..

Anyways pinching inactive seems like a great idea, it keeps conversation on the players who make noise, instead of the player who are forcing null reads on themselves.

Going back to work, will post in roughly five hours

Executing inactives sounds great.

As for your second question, Sword, I'm not very experienced.

Votecounts sounds unnecessary and I don't support it. The king should be able to see for himself what the majority wants, and he can just go against it anyway if he wants to.

Neither answer I was expecting from you. We hath no deadlines, so why waste kills when thou can simply replace?

Sir Beat, you hath an answer but no reasoing behind it. That is especially worrisome.

Your majesty, lord Dancing of swords, i have brought of message to you.

It is decreed that you, lord swords, shall decide who we shall lynch, but the heiarchy of Soup & Mario's believe that your execution be used to just and fair, and naught on true greed, for if so we shall turn a blind eye on you.

It has 5 laws in fine print.

1. Doth lynch inactives if inactive doth refuse to respond, but only in drastic measures.
2. Listen to the town creed, they are your shepard in this battle, if you were to cast a black cloak on us all such as executing without our consent, you shall be damned.
3. Soup & Mario is your humblest servant, but nay a dog, you may use him freely, but do not try to pet him.
4.Listen to th3duder, he is a smart knave.
5. i demand soup to my cabbage each night, if i do not get these rewards then i shall create a mob.

Are we clear, Lord sword?

1. I agree
2. Me thinkith this one is kinda obvious. Yes, I agree.
3. I shall pet who I please as I see fit.
4. Me thinkith meh.
5. Me thinkith not.

Why wasn't there a death last night?

What, are thouth trying to poision my wine? Anti-town this is. As your king, I demand you to read the rules.

Speaking of which, I don't care for Soupa's random FoS on Chibo. And his post saying he is Sword's lapdog because he is the king, buddies th3duder (though that's null because Kuzi's in that hydra), and saying things that are kindof....well obvious.

@Soupa: Please do not post that way.

Random? Do you not see what Soup was getting at? He need not explain it to you, as the reason for the suspicion is clear, even without explanation.

What's the point of pointing something out that thou only finds to be null?


Bandit, I find this attack shallow, and am not pleased by it.
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Okay, I'm actually getting a bit of a headache posting like this. Going back to modern Elnglish for now.

@Soup: What changed your mind about Raz?

@Duder: What was up with that attack on Raz? Where did it go, and where do you expect it to go?

No, my reasoning for beat town is the fact this play is reminding me of melee beat and old soup would be annoyed that he is only asking questions but i've seen beat town play where i completely wrong about him being scum.

So you're using meta. Ignoring that you probably shouldn't use meta in the first place, isn't it a bit early to be reading anyone based off of meta?

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About kingmaker claiming:

I can see the advantage of always having at least one cleared player. Plus, players once thought scummy could be cleared by this. I can see more good in this idea than bad.

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Fos: Chibo

minor fos J

Soup, I can honestly kinda see where you're coming from with some things, but you need to calm down. You're drawing too many conclusions too fast.

Duder, you didn't explain your reasoning for supporting Zen. Please do.

Purple slight town.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

You really gonna do this?

We will refuse to answer to anyone who does not refer to us as Meredith Ruby Brandy Meadowsizzle III, Esq.

 

[Purple]

WHOA THERE'S NO DEADLINES?!

as

 

[Purple]

HEy Meredith Ruby Brandy Meadowsizzle III, Esq..

Thoughts on the game thus far

 

[Purple]

So hold on there swords.

even though there';s no deadline, doesn't it still screw up the game? I mean, someone HAS to lynched at some point, doesn't matter whether there's a deadline or not.

Actually I take that back, them getting replaced can easily happen considering there's no deadline stopping it from happening.

But what about when replacements are gone, granted that's farfetched but assuming there are no replacements this would still be a problem.

 

[Purple]

*fart* nothing about Purple

Kinda mad considering how open i'vge been on things i would think you would add content at least on me.

Maybe i'm just dumb i dunno

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

So hold on there swords.

even though there';s no deadline, doesn't it still screw up the game? I mean, someone HAS to lynched at some point, doesn't matter whether there's a deadline or not.

Actually I take that back, them getting replaced can easily happen considering there's no deadline stopping it from happening.

But what about when replacements are gone, granted that's farfetched but assuming there are no replacements this would still be a problem.

Eh, I suppose so. We'll just play it by ear. Again, as Soup said, only kill off inactives only in drastic circumstances.

@Meredith Ruby Brandy Meadowsizzle III, Esq.: What's your read on Soup?

 

[-Vocal-]

But Zen is in the game?
But then you reference him wtf is up with everything

Zen isn't in the game. Zεη is. Just RVS shenanigans and rabble rousin

 

[Meadowsizzle]

HEy Meredith Ruby Brandy Meadowsizzle III, Esq..

Thoughts on the game thus far

Shoot Forever Zero then have the King Maker give us the gun. We will shoot the remaining scum and the game will end.

@Meredith Ruby Brandy Meadowsizzle III, Esq.: What's your read on Soup?

I do not know. I haven't read the thread before my post. I dunno if I even want to comment on others with that obvious assassin, Forever Zero, still running around (you should shoot him now). I'll see if my partner wants to talk about it, but he's been gone for a few hours and I'm still waiting on him to show up.

 

[CT Chia]

there is no rvs because there's no voting <_<

 

[Meadowsizzle]

EBWOP: There are three scum. After we have ended the lives of two scum, they will then night kill us. Fortunately, we will have already discerned the identity of the third assassin and the Kingmaker shall give the gun to whoever we like the most and he will shoot the third assassin that we found, thus ending the game.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

there is no rvs because there's no voting <_<

I would like to request that there be a minimum IQ requirement to be given the title of King. This will avoid Chibo ever receiving it.

 

[CT Chia]

Yo why don't you put who you are in location like every other hydra

 

[Marluxia_]

Chibo, they are Ryker/Sold2.

Both of us are reading up now.

 

[CT Chia]

marluxia you're not even on the player list <_<

 

[Meadowsizzle]

yo why don't you put who you are in location like every other hydra

we will refuse to answer to anyone who does not refer to us as meredith ruby brandy meadowsizzle iii, esq.

（╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

 

[#HBC | J]

Marluxia is the Me/Moth hydra. (me being J)

 

[Marluxia_]

Marluxia is the Me/Moth hydra. (me being J)

Dammit. Apologies.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Although they have already stated it, I shall update that Marluxia_, the hydra of Shadow Moth and J has officially replaced J.

 

[Marluxia_]

About kingmaker claiming:

I can see the advantage of always having at least one cleared player. Plus, players once thought scummy could be cleared by this. I can see more good in this idea than bad.

Are you trying to poison the water hole? There aren't any protective roles in this game. If kingmaker claims he gets NK'd and we just get a new kingmaker.

You're an idiot if you really think having the kingmaker claim is pro town in any way.
Zen I want your reasoning on having him claim ASAP.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Lord Sword

these following posts will wrap up my thoughts, and everything concerning my reads as of now, i find this certain interaction to be a diamond in the rough, if you will.

Soup v J?

Just seems like a dumb argument. J doesn't want Soup posting in flavour-speak for whatever reason. I'm not seeing where any "case" came in, though, so in that regard I'm agreeing with J. Not really seeing what the point of that "conflict" was at all.

As for whether or not I think Soup should change his posting style, I don't particularly care. I have no problem actually reading and understanding it, but I can see how he could use it to fluff his posts up. It'd probably be better if he stopped, but I don't PERSONALLY care.

Raziek didn't have to use that many words to explain his thoughts on me v. J, and i was agreeing with duder thinking "man, that's alot of fluff for no reason" but then the next sequences of events happen.

I want Soup to continue with his flavour posting. I found it entertaining.

I also think #134 is very wishy-washy and contains a lot of fluff.

Raz, if it's "probably better" if Soup were to stop with the flavour posting, why do you not care "personally"?

Here is where i would have been annoyed with beat, he brings up a question that leads to nowhere, and was already explained by raziek, raziek mentions this below.

You answered your question within your own post.

I found it entertaining.

Problem sol-

Man.

I don't like Raziek already.

Alright, great to know that.

@Raz

But if you found it entertaining, then you would want him to continue. That's not "not caring". And do you really put your own personal enjoyment over what you apparently think would be better?

mmmm, good point by beat here,i liked his follow-up here, he saved himself with this one.

You're twisting my words.

Finding it entertaining doesn't imply I would want him to continue, because I understand it has the POTENTIAL to be a detriment to the game.

When I say I don't "PERSONALLY care", I mean that I have no major stake in either result, so I don't particularly care whether he continues or stops.

If he DOES start using it simply to post fluff, I'll call him out on it, but I don't have a problem with it if it isn't abused.

I really don't want to like this post, especially for that remark as "twisting my words" however:

I learned absolutely nothing from this answer. Literally two paragraphs of fluff, as beat said.



Important part is in bold. Your response again tells me absolutely nothing and it fails to address anything important Beat actually said. Instead you just poke fun at his wording with the last line.

I don't like this more, duder completely ignores the substance of the post and just calls it fluff, while he's right that it is a bit fluffy words wise, the message is there, i feel duder is just looking for something that isn't there and already egging on Raziek as beat pressures him.

I don't see how you can call the first paragraph fluff. I saw no point to their "conflict", and I disagree with it really even being a conflict.

That's why I posted "Soup v J?", because I didn't think it was even anything of merit.

And there you have it, sword.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Are you trying to poison the water hole? There aren't any protective roles in this game. If kingmaker claims he gets NK'd and we just get a new kingmaker.

You're an idiot if you really think having the kingmaker claim is pro town in any way.
Zen I want your reasoning on having him claim ASAP.

Exactly. Since kingmaker is always a townie, we will always have at least one clear townie.

By killing a kingmaker, scum is effectively just clearing another townie in the process. If they don't kill kingmaker, then town still has another cleared townie. Tbh I don't know what it mean to "poision the water hole," but what I did was probably not that.

Btw you didn't answer the questions in my post.

@Soup: So you're suspicious of duder then?

I am actually still waiting for his response to me.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

Until they CC Kingmaker in LyLo and get away with it because the scummiest townie left in the game happened to get the role.

 

[CT Chia]

Can the hydras who haven't yet put the ppl in the location like all others? I keep forgetting who is in which

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Sword

Yes

 

[th3duder]

Then we're just controlling another fundamental. I'm not down for selective Kings until later in the game. Right now, focusing the game towards selecting a king isn't needed.

you need to contribute more than this. this isn't even a post in my opinion because you're just debating the null-tell player-made policy. you are equal to frozenzero in contribution.

@duder Can you give an example of a game where voting screwed over town, and it wasn't required?

Then why didn't you suggest it?

my better half will have to answer the first question; he was the one who suggested it, i believe.

i can answer the second question; i didnt suggest kingmaker claiming simply because i didnt think of it. however, once i read zen's post about it, i immediately saw the pro of always having 1 true clear or a 50:50 chance in lylo if kingmaker is cc'd.

HOWEVER i just thoguht of something while making this post, and i think im now against kingmaker claiming

@Duder: What was up with that attack on Raz? Where did it go, and where do you expect it to go?

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About kingmaker claiming:

I see the advantage of always having at least one cleared player. Plus, players once thought scummy could be cleared by this. I can see more good in this idea than bad.

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Duder, you didn't explain your reasoning for supporting Zen. Please do.

first - that was my better half, he will have to answer

second - i agreed, up until JUST now. now im thinking about it more.

the kingmaker claiming would give us a clear, but all that accomplishes is having us NOT lynch the kingmaker. however, we gain that same advantage as long as the king gives his lynch target an adequate time to claim kingmaker/hero/villager, and there are also advantages for town to NOT having the kingmaker known when it comes to flips and claims.

Shoot Forever Zero then have the King Maker give us the gun. We will shoot the remaining scum and the game will end.



I do not know. I haven't read the thread before my post. I dunno if I even want to comment on others with that obvious assassin, Forever Zero, still running around (you should shoot him now). I'll see if my partner wants to talk about it, but he's been gone for a few hours and I'm still waiting on him to show up.

Are you trying to poison the water hole? There aren't any protective roles in this game. If kingmaker claims he gets NK'd and we just get a new kingmaker.

You're an idiot if you really think having the kingmaker claim is pro town in any way.
Zen I want your reasoning on having him claim ASAP.

wouldnt it be a good thing for the kingmaker to get nightkilled? it means that the hero isn't dying. isn't that a good thing?

if the kingmaker dies we arent really losing a PR, because we gain a new one.

i dont really think anyone is an idiot if they think its pro town in some way. because it can be pro-town like i just explained in a few ways. do you understand?

 

[th3duder]

oh, also @king rabbit - i dont know what you mean by saying i defended Zen. ill gladly explain my thought process i just dont know what exactly youre talking about. maybe it was my better half.

 

[Chaco]

Shoot me some questions then, not a whole lot to chime in on as of yet that I saw.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Duder, who is the one posting right now? Tom?

 

[th3duder]

Shoot me some questions then, not a whole lot to chime in on as of yet that I saw.

nope. (almost) everyone else has been able to enter the discussion on their own. so you get no help. but more importantly, im about to go to sleep, so yea.

Duder, who is the one posting right now? Tom?

yessir but it shouldn't matter (except sometimes you will have to wait to be answered re specific actions of ours). kuzzy and i are the same alignment after all so our motivations will always be the same :]

 

[Meadowsizzle]

In other news, I don't think voting on the next king is a good idea. I'm not opposed to people giving their opinions, but at the end of the day I'd rather myself be king more than anyone else (who is more trustworthy?) and it feels odd to vote on giving that power to someone else.

That's not flying, that's falling with style.

The BIGGEST reason not to vote for king is the roadmap it gives scum. You would vote for your biggest town read and let everyone and their mother know.



Sword, can you PLEASE shoot Forever Zero and end this bull**** phase.

 

[th3duder]

@Chibo: OOC --> Out of character. Games it has ****ed town up in the past? BiM1 BiM2 almost BiM3 and BiM4.

However, my dear friend, you compare the use of vote counts in this game to that of BIM 4, but arn'th they thouth different? In BIM, almost EVERYONE had the tools for murder, but in this game, only thou truest currently has that ability. Does this knowledge not change ones opinion?

No, it doesn't. Why would it? Just because you're the one deciding the lynch doesn't mean that scum can't fake the same trails they could if anyone could shoot. With its addition people are going to be drawing inferences from such trails which will lead town in circles because of how easily they can be faked (you can and should who you want dead regardless of what the majority of town says).

@Duder: What was up with that attack on Raz? Where did it go, and where do you expect it to go?

He was doing scummy thing thus I pushed him for it. I switched over to Soup because of his statement "I like Beat, thoughts?" which was very OOC Soup and made him explain his reasoning. I then did chores, ate dinner, and played borderlands and here I am now.

Where did I expect it to go?

Redundant, question is redundant.