The Competitive Brawl Stage Hacking Hub: Dat Valentine's Day Status

[MK26]

wait...its not all good? can i get specifics? is there a shift on the x-axis, y-axis, or both? is the bottom of the stage good? are the platforms...

etc etc

 

[FrozenHobo]

yeah, it looks like the platform collisions are in/on the floor.

 

[MK26]

aaugh

but the actual ground is good?

 

[FrozenHobo]

well, its hard to tell with the platform collisions messing movement up, but i think it will be fine once those get fixed.

 

[MK26]

so the platforms are attached to the floor...hmmm...that means that we cant split different planes of teh same object

EDIT: thank GOD that stadium has a fourth object for no apparent reason

http://www.mediafire.com/?mzimzt4e3tm

GOGOGO

 

[Perfect Chaos]

The floor is perfectly fine, but there are also two invisible platforms shown here...

You can drop down from either one, including the low bottom one. And you can't land on the actual platforms.

 

[MK26]

ooh pretty

so none of teh 3 platforms are working? or is the top one good? might the low one extend to the left a bit more?

i know what i need to do to fix it either way

 

[Perfect Chaos]

None of the real ones work, unfortunately...

EDIT: Okay, I made some adjustments to the image above. It should be VERY close to where the platforms start and end. (Refresh the page if it's still the same one as before.)

 

[MK26]

fixd again

http://www.mediafire.com/?2jhmnnrjnrn

*crosses fingers*

btw, perfect chaos, ur awesome

 

[FrozenHobo]

its still doing the same thing for me.

 

[Perfect Chaos]

Nothing changed. But upon further testing, I see what's currently going on. The collision of the two platforms on the original form both are moved to the middle, sitting on the floor, almost overlapping each other perfectly (one is a little to the side of the other, but both are of the same height).
(I have it changing, so when it changes to "grass", you can see the original form with the moved platforms.)

 

[MK26]

FFFFF-

im sorry, i cant try anything else tonight

i think i need to move the bones, not the model data

pc, youve been awesome. froho, you dont need me to tell you to know that im always grateful



this shall be fixd

EDIT: lemme try one last shot

 

[Perfect Chaos]

Hm...I just noticed that the curved invisible platform is supposed to be the tree platform's collision data... So I guess that image up top isn't as accurate as what I was aiming for.

And I'm glad to help with anything stage-related. I didn't bother learning how to use BrawlBox (or any other program) for anything advance, and I don't really have the time to learn it and do the editing myself, so I can't help with the actual editing, but since I've always been more interested in modifying stages than characters, I would still want to help in other ways.

 

[MK26]

http://www.mediafire.com/?dk2iz3h5qjt

ok, last shot for the night

In the situation that
1) the lower straight platform is not present
2) the upper straight platform is slightly off

Try
i) checking for the tree's collision data far above and to the right of the stage, 2x as far from the middle of the ground as the tree is
ii) checking for another platform 2x as far away from the middle of teh stage as the upper platform

if those two are there (and only if), change the translations of the bones in modeldata2 'AAStandAA', 'AAStandAB', and 'AGround' to 0. All of them 0, x, y, and z axes. And then try again. (this is more directed at froho)

and goodnight

 

[FrozenHobo]

fffff screw this platform.

what do the vertices, normals, and materials effect? i swear, i've removed enough stuff from this pac but nothing changes! i'm just going to keep deleting stuff until i see something different happen! god, this is frustrating...

[/angry outburst]

anyway, i'll check this out now.

 

[Perfect Chaos]

So I spent a little more time with the platforms this time, and there's the final image for the 2nd .pac (shows where both of the low platforms starts and ends):

Testing the new one in a moment.

Edit: Nothing changed for the latest .pac file, so the image is still accurate in depicting this one as well.

 

[MK26]

fffff screw this platform.

what do the vertices, normals, and materials effect? i swear, i've removed enough stuff from this pac but nothing changes! i'm just going to keep deleting stuff until i see something different happen! god, this is frustrating...

for summit? cape said it didnt matter if there wasnt a spawn point on the left platform

also, i lied

im still awake

 

[FrozenHobo]

ok, 2 things:

1) i fixed the left platform i changed the top boundary, though, so i need to see if its high enough.

2) PS1 is still messed up...

 

[MK26]

are all the platforms still present?

 

[FrozenHobo]

yes. i'll let PC give you the details since i'm currently fixing up 2 versions of the summit to present.

 

[MK26]

ok...i give up

for tonight

bed is calling

thnx you two

 

[FrozenHobo]

fffffffff well, nvm. it just turns out ZSS can spawn on that platform without it falling. i think it has something to do with the items. well, **** that.

 

[Perfect Chaos]

So it seems the left Summit platform falls after standing on there for 2 seconds. Is it possible to increase the duration of that time, to like 5 seconds, so that the match would have started by then? Or just make the time infinite? (You've probably thought of this idea, already, though, but just making sure.)

 

[FrozenHobo]

i would, but i think it needs an outside code. if dant or someone could do it that would be perfect.

 

[[TSON]]

Does anybody know how much damage Chimeras do? I'm gonna try something..

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

The Ultimate Chimera has several hitboxes on its bite. At the very least, 100% and 200% damage are possible.

 

[[TSON]]

It's two hitboxes of 100%. And I didn't find anything, I searched for it in decimal, hex, and floating point in all of the misc datas ;_;

 

[Alphatron]

Where is the chimera located in the pac?

Quick question Maestro. Could you try replacing WWR with PS1 Grass stage and upload the file?

 

[NAMQ_DrunkeNFeasT]

you can try out BB+ now. check my post. i'm still trying to figure out a good respawn point. right now its 30 above where it is initially, but even thats probably not enough. eh, its enough for testing, though.

can you guys who are making stage hacks or anything related, make a signature redirecting us to your posts? I know that they are in the first page of the thread btw XD

but it can help others that are browsing not this thread but others thread you've posted to be interested in this thread ^^

 

[MK26]

alpha: im not really well versed in porting stages (even though i hear its easy, ive never actually tried) and ps1 actually loads 2 models at once (the unchanging stadium and the transformation), so i dont think the file would take well to expanding that much.

Namq: hmmm

*rubs chin*

[hint_hint]i dont make sigs, but id appreciate someone who did[/hint_hint]

FroHo: hows Summit going?

TSONO: its definitely not in the miscdata for the stage...

 

[FrozenHobo]

well, i talked to dant about making a code that increases the amount of time you can stand on the platform before falling. if it works then i'll have finished spawn points too.

i also handed the pac off to amk so he can cover up the hole. should be done soon.

edit: posted info about GG+ fix for B+.

 

[AMKalmar]

Note: i currently have a pac that removes the blocks, BUT I DID NOT MAKE IT. i don't remember the name of the person who made it, though, so if you read this and either know the name or are the person, please tell me so i can give him/her/you credit.

I came to confess, I removed the green greens blocks.

 

[FrozenHobo]

ok, thats great. i'm gonna take a look at it and remove the model for the apples too. that way we can just leave the wind.

 

[AMKalmar]

I tried removing the apples. I moved all kinds of bones all over the place. Didn't do anything.
Hopefully you'll have better luck.

 

[Perfect Chaos]

The apples aren't that big of a problem, though, IMO; it's the blocks that are the main cause. It would be a fine counter simply being block-less.

 

[AMKalmar]

The apples are either food, a throw item, or a bomb. There's no visual difference between any of them. You're very high damage, you grab one thinking you'll heal a bit but it explodes and you die. Not the most likely scenario but people have criticized stages for lesser problems.

Even so, I don't see them as that much of a problem if we can't remove them.

 

[Perfect Chaos]

The exploding apples might have been in Melee, only. Maybe it's in Brawl, I can't remember (probably, though). But the exploding ones explode as soon as they land, so you won't get to pick those up from the ground.
But yeah, I forgot about exploding ones that could land on you. The other two aren't that bad, but the exploding one definitely would cause somewhat of a problem. But it's still manageable if it can't be taken out.

 

[FrozenHobo]

The exploding apples might have been in Melee, only. Maybe it's in Brawl, I can't remember (probably, though). But the exploding ones explode as soon as they land, so you won't get to pick those up from the ground.
But yeah, I forgot about exploding ones that could land on you. The other two aren't that bad, but the exploding one definitely would cause somewhat of a problem. But it's still manageable if it can't be taken out.

i'm not sure if the exploding ones are still in brawl, though i would be surprised if they weren't.

either way, the blocks seem to be a major point with this stage. Dantarion says that we can actually remove the explosives/limit the number of blocks that can appear at a time, so i think something like this would be the best idea.


also, check out my sig. any good? i threw it together in, like, 10 minutes in MS paint.

 

[[TSON]]

TSONO: its definitely not in the miscdata for the stage...

It would have to be. The only thing in the chimera is the model0.

 

[ValTroX]

guys, did they include the stage modifications on B+ near gold set?(if so, I can remove the pacs, if not, I'll leave em in)