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[TierWhore]

Sorry for the double post, but it had to be done I suppose. The honest to god truth is that you can not compromise. At least in teh sense that one person cannot really play both games competitively because each game messes up your skill in the other due to the sheer difference in game speed and mechanics. So in essence, some big wad of shiz is going to have to hit the fan sooner or later before this is resolved.

It doesn't mess it up tooo tooo tooo badly, I got everything back in melee after a few games. If anything, mindgames carry over to an extent. And besides, it's your own choice if you play both, you don't by any means have to.

 

[HollaAtchaBoy]

I'm gonna keep playing Melee and Brawl, so I can be equally awful at both games.

 

[Cia]

You completely misunderstand. The game does not become competitive because of the advanced techniques. The lack of hitstun completely disallows for extensive combos etc., thus making this game not as competitive. Melee had hitstun from day 1.

thanks for saving me the trouble. u didn't have to know melee had advanced tactics from day one to know it was competitive. i didn't, but i knew it had the basic components shared by many of the best fighters.

 

[mattakataka]

yeeeeeah, 8 weeks w/o something you really enjoy SUCKS IMO. and time is a luxury that NOT everyone can't afford.

i've said this in another thread already.. but WE ARE NOT STUPID. we know what to look for in a fighter. some us play many fighting games. (myself, bum, travis, zro, reno etc.) we know what makes a game competative and ITS JUST NOT IN BRAWL. it does not take 8 weeks (12 for some) to realize that. the game is fun, but its as fast as like.. street fighter 2.. that sets us back 15+ years.. no freaking adrenaline rush at all

also homeostasis in a nutshell.. "balance." biology and genetics is mah turf ^_^

u disappoint me vanz ur trying to put fighter knoledge behind ur statement and say taht brawl isnt competitive now listen good right now after 8 weeks in melee it did not at ALL look like it did during the past couple of months and of course its easy to elarn the characters now thats like going to a street fighter game and saying OMG I KNOW HOW TO PLAY RYU ITS NOT HARD RYU WAS IN THE OTHER GAMES just cuz u can pick up brawl and play mario or some **** taht plays kinda like the melee ones is because uve felt its feel before but how bout new **** its easy to learn a character when theres nothing out for it did u learn the lucas glitch in five secs where u fly across the screen from forward b to down b or have u not even tried brawl has a lot of stuff to figure out and to me theres ways to get around everything if ur not smart enough to get around it just makes u a noob how bout we go to melee is tec chasing a cheesey thing YES can u get out of it OF COURSE
chain grabbing very cheesey and repetative can u get out of it MAYBE wave shine same **** if someone is camping then run mid jump air dodge power shield (which is easier) and bam an opening if someone in melee was laser spamming and camping wat would u do to get around it i know theres ways u did how bout young link in melee he did the same **** that toon link did and so did link this game takes skill and is getting better every week just cuz some people dont wanna be creative and want to camp and spam and throw turnips in one place cuz there scared or some **** doesnt me u have to judge the whole community on that look at m2k one of the best smashers of melee i saw him chain grab tec zero for 4 stocks to death and that was considered nice ? when ken went to japan and cg'ed bomb soldier that was the first time japan saw cg and they hated it just put it this way brawl has its cheesey stuff yes but so does every other freaking game no matter wat game u go to ur gonna find some cheesey **** made to make money LOOK AT WAT MVC2 TURNED INTO whos gonna catch there infinite first look vanz i respect u as a competetor but to completely say brawl is not competetive is horrible cuz if it wasnt competetive then bum wouldnt be winning first every week cuz then it would be more even and someone should be able to ebat him since theres no skill levels u can go practice brawl but if theres nothing right now for u to practice since it isnt created and u dont want to contribute in creating stuff cuz most people dont make there own stuff they rob from vids and seeing other people do it
i know me and f2b are doing it he didnt know u can grab when someone slips he got that when he saw me do it i didnt know about throw gliding i found out when is aw him do it let people find stuff out cuz i know dam well people didnt start automatically wding when melee started vanz we cool adn all but u cant use fighter ecperience to back up ur comment

lols no hit stun there isnt NO HIT STUN theres less hit stun its HARDER to combo in this game its not so much as hit him and u got 2 secs its hit him u got .5 secs to get him or he can get out there is combos but people have to learn them ive done combos all the time and so has nl bum eli shadow theres lots more let people figure out the combos then they will be used its not always as simple as press A toward that direction be a little creative do the dark rain combo lol that **** was creative tilts are more used in this game and was less used in melee so if u use tilts more in brawl combos show up more but u have to react fast to execute them

word on the street is ur pretty amazing at brawl.. but you did not play melee enough, and melee requires a lot of time and training just to get close to the best people.

as much as i used to train, i still haven't gotten close, but i wabna change that soon XP

when melee first started everyone was close to eachother too as time goes on the skill splits and u see a gap of people who know more stuff to do in the game and of people who do the same **** and get no where its happening already but slowly

 

[Cia]

I'm gonna keep playing Melee and Brawl, so I can be equally awful at both games.

word on the street is ur pretty amazing at brawl.. but you did not play melee enough, and melee requires a lot of time and training just to get close to the best people.

as much as i used to train, i still haven't gotten close, but i wabna change that soon XP

 

[Dark.Pch]

do u realize that u just named all the people that are either using campy characters or people that camped in melee..... regardless of the game.... THEY WILL CAMP
next time u post plz choose ur words carefully jeez

I dont wanna hear that cause you said name them and I did, and now its a problem? And no, Just cause one picks up Toon link or pit, does not mean thay have to camp, they can straight up fight. And this game is more campy then melee.pretty much the whole game play of brawl now with noobs is camping. Look in the brawl discussion and look at the oh so many threads about camping and how its taking the fun out of brawl and pissing people off. I have dealt with camping and Beat it. But its freaking boring chasing people and mostly everyone doing it. Its not fun beating a camper to me. The win feels like ****. And this is my opinion, dont like it? dont post to it and ignore me, that simple kid. Same goes for anyone else who has a problem.

You dont get my point and i'll end it here. Better yet....

I dont want apart of this in fear of being attacked here. You guys wanna play brawl, hit me up. You guys wanna play melee, hit me up, I play both these games equally even though I like melee more than brawl. And some wanna see me as the enemy? Ha ha ha ha ha!!

I dont care where brawl stands and all. Some melee AS WELL is what I would like to see. **** I even said I had a spot to do these things, one of my crew members could rent a spot on weekends but it cost cash.

You guys figure this out and come up with something, I want nothing with this fight and such. I'm out. Any post beyond this say "Pch stop *****ing, screw your post, yadda yadda" wont mean jack **** to me nor will I* post back. So get ya last words in and fell like the bigger man for it. I really dont wanna fight and get personal and **** over a video game. I'll host an I.E tournament 2 in my spot and anyone who is interested in that let me know when I make it happen. it there will be melee only since its a melee tournament. No brawl.

Really just apout to pay MORE attention to my anime work and career and leave the smash drama to you guys and me just stay away from it.

Peach out!

 

[CasshernDGZ]

You completely misunderstand. The game does not become competitive because of the advanced techniques. The lack of hitstun completely disallows for extensive combos etc., thus making this game not as competitive. Melee had hitstun from day 1.

If extensive combos make a game competitive why the hell were you playing melee lol? Play MVC2 and break the game like everyone else does.

 

[Cia]

u disappoint me vanz ur trying to put fighter knoledge behind ur statement and say taht brawl isnt competitive now listen good right now after 8 weeks in melee it did not at ALL look like it did during the past couple of months and of course its easy to elarn the characters now thats like going to a street fighter game and saying OMG I KNOW HOW TO PLAY RYU ITS NOT HARD RYU WAS IN THE OTHER GAMES just cuz u can pick up brawl and play mario or some **** taht plays kinda like the melee ones is because uve felt its feel before but how bout new **** its easy to learn a character when theres nothing out for it did u learn the lucas glitch in five secs where u fly across the screen from forward b to down b or have u not even tried brawl has a lot of stuff to figure out and to me theres ways to get around everything if ur not smart enough to get around it just makes u a noob how bout we go to melee is tec chasing a cheesey thing YES can u get out of it OF COURSE
chain grabbing very cheesey and repetative can u get out of it MAYBE wave shine same **** if someone is camping then run mid jump air dodge power shield (which is easier) and bam an opening if someone in melee was laser spamming and camping wat would u do to get around it i know theres ways u did how bout young link in melee he did the same **** that toon link did and so did link this game takes skill and is getting better every week just cuz some people dont wanna be creative and want to camp and spam and throw turnips in one place cuz there scared or some **** doesnt me u have to judge the whole community on that look at m2k one of the best smashers of melee i saw him chain grab tec zero for 4 stocks to death and that was considered nice ? when ken went to japan and cg'ed bomb soldier that was the first time japan saw cg and they hated it just put it this way brawl has its cheesey stuff yes but so does every other freaking game no matter wat game u go to ur gonna find some cheesey **** made to make money LOOK AT WAT MVC2 TURNED INTO whos gonna catch there infinite first look vanz i respect u as a competetor but to completely say brawl is not competetive is horrible cuz if it wasnt competetive then bum wouldnt be winning first every week cuz then it would be more even and someone should be able to ebat him since theres no skill levels u can go practice brawl but if theres nothing right now for u to practice since it isnt created and u dont want to contribute in creating stuff cuz most people dont make there own stuff they rob from vids and seeing other people do it
i know me and f2b are doing it he didnt know u can grab when someone slips he got that when he saw me do it i didnt know about throw gliding i found out when is aw him do it let people find stuff out cuz i know dam well people didnt start automatically wding when melee started vanz we cool adn all but u cant use fighter ecperience to back up ur comment

no offense taka.. but this essay was useless.. plz refer to tierwhore's clarification post.

also, every game to "some" extent takes skill. i'd consistantly **** ranbom people at mario party 5. but, give them a day of practice, and we'd be going even..

it all goes back to when we talked about depth of a game, and i'm sorry, but brawl just doesn't have alot. that's somethjng we should all see by now..

now, for a moment, it seemed like we were making progress, what happened??

 

[TierWhore]

If extensive combos make a game competitive why the hell were you playing melee lol? Play MVC2 and break the game like everyone else does.

...Are you serious...? Is that a serious response...?

 

[Cia]

If extensive combos make a game competitive why the hell were you playing melee lol? Play MVC2 and break the game like everyone else does.

if your definition of a fighter is a game w/o extensive combos.. well you go have fun. i happen to LOVE MVC2

 

[HollaAtchaBoy]

now, for a moment, it seemed like we were making progress, what happened??

I put pants on.

Don't know if you knew, but my two responses were written pantless.

 

[Zro]

...Are you serious...? Is that a serious response...?

lol idk if he was lol that was a garbs response lol

 

[TierWhore]

Ugh, once again everyone is missing the point. We shouldn't care weather or not brawl is competitive. The point of this thread is about melee. If everyone wants to compromise we should play both. We should have setups for both. Simple.

 

[Cia]

...Are you serious...? Is that a serious response...?

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[Cia]

I put pants on.

Don't know if you knew, but my two responses were written pantless.

LMFAO.. everyone is so funny

 

[HollaAtchaBoy]

I... wasn't trying to be funny?

 

[CasshernDGZ]

It definitely wasn't a serious response, I just don't feel like extensive combos make a game competitive. Combos, sure, but not extensive ones. Look at MK III those combos were stupid extensive and flashy but that didn't have a competitive scene, I think it's more to the flashiness. And Brawl can be kinda flashy...

Note this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5gvmUi_ug

Either that or Germ is a great editor.

 

[TierWhore]

I don't know why we're all arguing about brawl still....The point is for melee to come back...

 

[HollaAtchaBoy]

DBR has always done great editing. Cort's still better.

Way to credit me or NL for the link, Randy. >_> Nah, I still love you. Like I love Rhodes. No homo, though, all around.

Yes, Tier has a point. Coexistence and homeostasis and all that jazz. After my two monster posts I'm intellectually out of steam.

 

[Cia]

Listen Up Mother****ers

FC IS DOIN IT AGAIN THIS SUMMER!!

i have strong feeling its going to have melee as its main event.

reason: nationwide majority still prefers melee. even some people from canada posted and they're all supporting melee.

the tournament will be 4 days long so IM SURE it will be brawl and melee. but they're gonna do it how they've always done it. one large fee gets you housing, food, and all events.

now, i'm excited as hell. and the first thing i was do is resume melee training. who else wants to practice this week??

 

[TierWhore]

Tier does!

 

[Cia]

gewd.. gewd :D

 

[Rockin]

FC IS DOIN IT AGAIN THIS SUMMER!!

i have strong feeling its going to have melee as its main event.

reason: nationwide majority still prefers melee. even some people from canada posted and they're all supporting melee.

the tournament will be 4 days long so IM SURE it will be brawl and melee. but they're gonna do it how they've always done it. one large fee gets you housing, food, and all events.

now, i'm excited as hell. and the first thing i was do is resume melee training. who else wants to practice this week??

I do.

****ing let me go to your house or something. plan a schedule or something XD

 

[Alukard]

FC IS DOIN IT AGAIN THIS SUMMER!!

i have strong feeling its going to have melee as its main event.

reason: nationwide majority still prefers melee. even some people from canada posted and they're all supporting melee.

the tournament will be 4 days long so IM SURE it will be brawl and melee. but they're gonna do it how they've always done it. one large fee gets you housing, food, and all events.

now, i'm excited as hell. and the first thing i was do is resume melee training. who else wants to practice this week??

i do i do i do ... i kno we been arguing ... and i totally agree with u its this stupid brawl crap thats doing it... everyone is pissed about it ... randoms are doing mad good ... i mean we started arguing bcuz we couldn't have singles and doubles ... its like this

3...2....1..... GO! *both players separate and press B button* if thats ****ing skill then i ****ing give up on nyc seriously ... cort came over here and patiently forward tilted his way to the top ... FORWARD ****ING TILTED ... like seriously ... i dunno wat to say but i can barely play this game wihtout items for more then 20 minutes ... and that saddens me ... and its also why i am sooo pro teams for this game ... like more then ever ... if anyone wants to argue about brawl vs. melee ... i'll b happy to put ur hopes down ... brawl is a horrible fighter for competition ... its a FUUcking fact ... FUUCK streets of rage had more hitstun then this garbage lol

 

[HollaAtchaBoy]

Everyone is pissed about randoms doing mad good...

...

You should read the past page or so of stuff.

 

[Alukard]

seriously ... FAWK BRAWL! i'm sick of it really

 

[HollaAtchaBoy]

And really, that's all this thread boils down to.

 

[Alukard]

i mean i dont understand how can people make arguments saying it needs time to see how much depth it has ... when ... its pretty clear ...

brawl should have a package when u buy it ... it should contain a tent firewood and some smores cuz ur gonna b camping

 

[CasshernDGZ]

>_> Camping is really character specific Alukard...certain characters excel at it some don't. Some even have alternate playing styles. Like Melee >_> In all honesty how much do you know about the game? Like dead azz do you know all the things you can do with the characters? Because if you do and you still have that statement, well then quite frankly you're wrong.

 

[Alukard]

>_> Camping is really character specific Alukard...certain characters excel at it some don't. Some even have alternate playing styles. Like Melee >_> In all honesty how much do you know about the game? Like dead azz do you know all the things you can do with the characters? Because if you do and you still have that statement, well then quite frankly you're wrong.

umm actually ... bum camps really well ... and DK has no projectile ... u dont need a projectile to camp ...

 

[CasshernDGZ]

When did I say projectiles enable you to camp? That is not in my post Alululu. DK has R-A-N-G-E, and DK is an extremely campy character. Because all of his punishment works around his stupid range. So therefore he can just camp you until step into his house and rock your shiz. Wario on the other hand can not camp for his life. I have no range and no projectile. But I have fast attacks and amazing DI so I can move all in and out your range doing a bunch of arbitrary movements while I'm rushing you, hence camping is character specific ^^.

 

[Alukard]

actually no ... its not ... this game forces u to camp ur shield ... and if u don't then ur not going to win... its based around 3 basic things ... read opponents rolls ... use ur prjectiles if any... out of sheild grabs and attacks

 

[CasshernDGZ]

That's definitely NOT what this game is all about, if you want to pretend that that is what it is then sure ok. But like I said it is CHARACTER SPECIFIC. You don't see a sonic player doing all of that stuff. Sure those are 3 components to the game but it's so much more than that.

 

[Cia]

the reason brawl is sooo boring is because of all the ridiculously over poweres defenses in the game. it makes turtling a MUST.

 

[Alukard]

the reason brawl is sooo boring is because of all the ridiculously over poweres defenses in the game. it makes turtling a MUST.

thank you ...

and u do see a sonic player do that ... he just has 0 range so he has to run up to them and shield for his shield attacks and grabs ... so yea .. every character can do it ... trust me i'm good at teaching ... KNOWLEDGE IS POWER

 

[CasshernDGZ]

Nah Vanz, turtling just appears to be the easiest strategy, but it depends on too many variables for it to work every time. Maybe an example will help, try turtling Raymond's ICs...as soon as he hits you with one grab the punishment is ridiculous, he has so many options that are JUST CHAINGRABS on you that it isn't even funny. It'll leave you not knowing how to DI because you don't which chaingrab he hits you with, leaving him walking away with a great punishment on you and you scared to turtle him.

EDIT TO ALUKARD: Because everyone can do it doesn't mean anything. Everyone can wavedash in melee but it isn't the best option every time >_>. Come on now. and sonic having 0 range doesn't matter when he's the fastest character again. First of all, a Sonic player has several different options than run up shield. You're a smart player Alukard and if you honestly that's what he's going to do, that must mean a lot of other people think that, which is fail >_>. Let's be serious I'm the fastest character in the game I don't to do that all the time. I can dash attack which is really fast and will stop your grab, although the punishment isn't very good, it leaves me with the momentum of match, turning the tables on your camping. Now I have the power to predict what ever you do recovering from my fast azz dash attack and punish it with several different moves.

 

[Cia]

i do i do i do ... i kno we been arguing ... and i totally agree with u its this stupid brawl crap thats doing it... everyone is pissed about it ... randoms are doing mad good ... i mean we started arguing bcuz we couldn't have singles and doubles ... its like this

3...2....1..... GO! *both players separate and press B button* if thats ****ing skill then i ****ing give up on nyc seriously ... cort came over here and patiently forward tilted his way to the top ... FORWARD ****ING TILTED ... like seriously ... i dunno wat to say but i can barely play this game wihtout items for more then 20 minutes ... and that saddens me ... and its also why i am sooo pro teams for this game ... like more then ever ... if anyone wants to argue about brawl vs. melee ... i'll b happy to put ur hopes down ... brawl is a horrible fighter for competition ... its a FUUcking fact ... FUUCK streets of rage had more hitstun then this garbage lol

i agree ^_^ i wanna play some melee, and i'm gonna see if i can organize something at my place or w/e but melee NEEDS to come back (and brawl for when we're tired and drained of the technical capacity to carry on melee.. LOL)

 

[Cia]

Nah Vanz, turtling just appears to be the easiest strategy, but it depends on too many variables for it to work every time. Maybe an example will help, try turtling Raymond's ICs...as soon as he hits you with one grab the punishment is ridiculous, he has so many options that are JUST CHAINGRABS on you that it isn't even funny. It'll leave you not knowing how to DI because you don't which chaingrab he hits you with, leaving him walking away with a great punishment on you and you scared to turtle him.

chain grabbing was in melee as well.. so that defense was kinda weak.. not only that.. but cg CAN be DI'd.. i say this all the time. (unless its like a dedede ditto)

also, turtling IS really the only strategy because while it is tje easiest, it is also the most effective. it will win everytime.

[camping sheild = turtling]

EDIT: DID YOU JUST SAY DASH ATTACK IS FASTER THAN A GRAB?? :laughing:

 

[CasshernDGZ]

DI'ing in itself is a weak defense Vanz because that defensive tactic is limitless in a sense, you can ALWAYS DI certain moves, that doesn't make it hard. And like I said he has SEVERAL DIFFERENT CHAINGRABS,(giving him several different options, which also adds to the depth of the game) you cannot DI them all the same way. And so what if it was in melee, what does that have to do with anything, chances are anything that I say you can do in brawl as punishment is possible in melee. That isn't the point at all the whole point was focused around whether or not you can camp with every character, since Brawl is such a campfest >_>. If this is the case Vanz, how the hell do you camp with Wario? I would love to know so that when a Snake camps me, I can camp back and join the camp bandwagon >_>.

 

[Cia]

DI'ing in itself is a weak defense Vanz because that defensive tactic is limitless in a sense, you can ALWAYS DI certain moves, that doesn't make it hard. And like I said he has SEVERAL DIFFERENT CHAINGRABS,(giving him several different options, which also adds to the depth of the game) you cannot DI them all the same way. And so what if it was in melee, what does that have to do with anything, chances are anything that I say you can do in brawl as punishment is possible in melee. That isn't the point at all the whole point was focused around whether or not you can camp with every character, since Brawl is such a campfest >_>. If this is the case Vanz, how the hell do you camp with Wario? I would love to know so that when a Snake camps me, I can camp back and join the camp bandwagon >_>.

a) sheild > whatever you want

b) throw > run away

c) a + b

that's what wins

i vow to make my brawl matches as boring as possible.. than u'll see