Social The Charizard Social: Merry Switchmas!

[MintyBreeze]

Donkey Kong, maybe Bowser Jr, another Charizard if they Flare Blitz, Pac-Man if he uses Side-B... Maybe Dedede if he lands on-stage with Up-B... Those are some of the other recoveries that could get hurt by Rock Smash, I think.

Something I'm curious about, though, is if Rock Smash stops momentum. Like if Pikachu used quick attack and hit us while we were using it, for example. Would they go past, or get stuck so we could hit them?

 

[Saturn_]

They go past, the opponent retains momentum. It's actually the biggest weakness of Rock Smash, other counters come out fast enough/freeze the opponent.

 

[MintyBreeze]

Awwww, I actually have to time it. At least Charizard is invincible during it.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Rock Smash usually will not stop it sometimes.

I think we can stop Lucario's or Peach in theory if used right.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

On another note, Zard can do pretty good against ZSS if he uses his aerial attacks and higher weight to his advantage and keeps Zamus airborne, where she's more vulnerable to Zard's great aerials.

Also, Flamethrower bops the Paralyzer's shots, which makes approaching a lot easier.

 

[Steeler]

On another note, Zard can do pretty good against ZSS if he uses his aerial attacks and higher weight to his advantage and keeps Zamus airborne, where she's more vulnerable to Zard's great aerials.

Also, Flamethrower bops the Paralyzer's shots, which makes approaching a lot easier.

Nah that matchup is and always will be terrible. Her aerials are faster and bigger than yours and her air mobility is leagues above yours so being in the air sucks. Her tether and Paralyzer are a full stop to your dash so being on the ground isn't very great either. This is the worst matchup Charizard has. As an anecdote, I have a friend who I can reliably beat with Zard against any of his characters EXCEPT ZSS. Forcing her to fight you is a pain because she can just run away, so you really have little to no window of advantage against this character.

 

[Saturn_]

HELL YEAH Went to a local in Austin with 69 entrants and Denti in attendance, got T-13th playing exclusively Zard. Let's go!

 

[MintyBreeze]

HELL YEAH Went to a local in Austin with 69 entrants and Denti in attendance, got T-13th playing exclusively Zard. Let's go!

Wow... How did everyone react to seeing Charizard?

 

[Saturn_]

Wow... How did everyone react to seeing Charizard?

People were surprised, I'm known as a Luigi main and I have a handlebar mustache, so there's a natural synergy there that's easy to remember. A few of my friends knew but I didn't face them in bracket, and I sure as hell didn't know everyone there. I beat a , , , , & /. I lost to a & . In retrospect was by far the scariest matchup, especially since it was customs-on. Superspeed can punish everything, and Lightweight is actually more cheesy than Zard's uthrow. I won 2-0 but got a lucky sweetspot bair to take the first stock of game 1 that I felt like swung the whole match.

I actually have a sneaking suspicion is a decent matchup for Zard. I've been beating most of my friends Sheiks with Zard, including players who are better than me. Sheik has to work insanely hard to kill and can't mess up, ever. You live to 260% while she dies at 80%. I think Sheik wins it but it's 55-45.

 

[MintyBreeze]

Now... Hopefully I'm not spreading lies, or spreading something that people already knew about, but here goes. This was in training mode.
I think Charizard is able to almost cancel the lag on his B-Air entirely from a full hop into any of his ground moves (including specials) besides Down-B, and even D-Tilt, although to hit D-Tilt you need to crouch as you land. You can also turn around on the ground to attack them with more than just pivot F-Tilts and smashes.

I got the idea of this from a thread about cancelling the end lag on moves; Apparently, if you land while a move's endlag hasn't happened yet, for whatever reason, it ends up getting reduced. While even with this, B-Air may not be as useful, if it's real, it could be a way to increase Charizard's agility and avoid combos from other characters. Not useful in an online setting, for the most part, but it could make Charizard more able to defend himself in the air.
http://smashboards.com/threads/frame-cancel.386639/

I hate to outsource to anyone, but could someone with a Wii U film this to confirm it? I only have a 3DS. It has to be almost right before you hit the ground.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Pretty sure you just stumbled on the right frame the move auto cancels on.

 

[Saturn_]

Most moves in this game, if you time a fastfall just after the move comes out, will land with little lag. It is possible to FF Zard's short-hop nair and still have it autocancel, for example (though you save literally 1 frame I think). Falco's dair is the most well known example but most moves can be canceled in that manner. At 10:45 in the linked video below, Trela does a fast-fall full-hop nair and then upair, and both land with nearly no lag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdzLAmbDSk8

 

[MintyBreeze]

Yaaaaay, I'm not crazy.

 

[(Buddha)]

What are Charizards air attacks good for?

 

[MagiusNecros]

What are Charizards air attacks good for?

Doing damage I would imagine.

 

[Saturn_]

Hitting people while you are in the air.

 

[SkyboundTerror]

What are Charizards air attacks good for?

Not for landing, that's a definite.

 

[Marrow]

What are Charizards air attacks good for?

viewing a sweet landing lag animation

 

[MagiusNecros]

Not for landing, that's a definite.

Nair SH dancing would like a word with you.

Ergo Fire Spin.

 

[SkyboundTerror]

Nair SH dancing would like a word with you.

Ergo Fire Spin.

If you like to get shield grabbed, sure. It works, but it isn't completely safe. A smart player will be dancing around you.

 

[MagiusNecros]

If you like to get shield grabbed, sure. It works, but it isn't completely safe. A smart player will be dancing around you.

Also good for landing if you have auto cancel frames down to a tee.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Rest in Peace Iwata.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The Kutthroats have set out to draw their character thanking Iwata for all he has done.

We invite you to do the same.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

Also, I finally have Dragon Rush now.

I'm never using Flare Blitz ever again. It's too good.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Also, I finally have Dragon Rush now.

I'm never using Flare Blitz ever again. It's too good.

It is quite a rush.

 

[Saturn_]

I'm not sure if I think the Link matchup is sneaky good or sneaky bad now that the Hero of Time's throws got buffed so much. I used to think Zard owned that matchup but now I'm not sure.

 

[COLDRAMEN]

I love charizard in smash 4. My friend says he's pretty great at playing charizard but he only uses the side b, I think we should name those type of players "The Zard Tards"

 

[EvilPinkamina]

Theres already a term for them. They're called scrublords.

 

[ZeroSnipist]

Hey Zard players! We from the Ryu boards are making a doubles thread. The purpose of the thread is to find the best partner for Ryu. I'm going to invite as many people I can at once and get discussions going on all at once. We invite you to our dojo and hope you could help us discuss Charizard and Ryu in doubles. Thank you in advance!

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I love charizard in smash 4. My friend says he's pretty great at playing charizard but he only uses the side b, I think we should name those type of players "The Zard Tards"

Nah, no need for that.

 

[Saturn_]

I don't have a good sense for how it compares to the rest of the cast, but Charizard's techs seems extremely slow. I was playing the best Wario in Austin (and maybe TX) yesterday with Zard and even though Wario has a slow run he repeatedly was able to react and cover my techs, even though I was mixing them up. I think there may be many situations in which not teching may actually be optimal.

 

[-LzR-]

At least in Brawl I think Charizard had the worst techrolls in the game. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same for this game too.

 

[Handy Man]

Shoutout to my boy @CHOMPY for beating @ Bloodcross in the Charizard ditto at EVO.

Also, is anyone up to play sometime today?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I will say Flare Blitz certainly has it's uses.

Dragon Rush isn't just a better version of Flare Blitz.

It's just different. They both do different things.

I can't count how many time the Super Armor has saved me.

 

[AetherStorm]

I will say Flare Blitz certainly has it's uses.

Dragon Rush isn't just a better version of Flare Blitz.

It's just different. They both do different things.

I can't count how many time the Super Armor has saved me.

Yeah, obviously a lot of people prefer dragon rush, but getting killing punishes across the stage is so damn good.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Fire Fang is killing at sub 90 percent. On Ryu. At the edge. Found it surprising.

Should test kill percent on Bowser.

 

[Bloodcross]

Friendlies. Shut up lmaooo

I didn't go Charizard in the tournament and everyone thinks I did. Welp

 

[EvilPinkamina]

Reppin Zard even when you're reppin Fox. lol

 

[Steeler]

Friendlies. Shut up lmaooo

I didn't go Charizard in the tournament and everyone thinks I did. Welp

I at least saw your pools winner's finals match (I think) against that MK. Assuming you went Fox after pool 1 then?

 

[Bloodcross]

^literally my first set of EVO I got called to stream lmao