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The champ in making would like to battle, Pokémon Trainer for Smash Switch.

Discussion in 'General Speculation' started by Curious Villager, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. Curious Villager

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    Pokémon trainer
    First appearance: Pokémon Red & Green/Blue for Nintendo Game Boy.​
    Who is the Pokémon Trainer?

    A Pokémon Trainer is an individual who raises and trains various Pokémon and travel the region to compete through various battles and trials up until they reach the Pokemon league and face the elite four in order to become said region's champion.

    Anyone can be a Pokémon Trainer, whether they are an ace trainer or a hiker to even a youngster who likes shorts because their comfy and easy to wear.

    Pokémon Trainer in Smash:

    The Pokémon Trainer is no stranger to the world of Smash, as he has appeared in the series before in Super smash Bros Brawl, there he stood in the background while using Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard as his main means of battle.

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    However, his appearance in the series didn't last long outside of that as he was soon cut from the roster of Super Smash Bros for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U.(presumably due to hardware limitations as transformation based characters where either done away with or altered) the only remnant of the trainer that remained in Smash 4 was Charizard who remained as the sole playable character.


    That said, the Pokémon Trainer has been an important part of the Pokémon franchise for years and are the main playable characters in the mainline Pokémon games, now even more so than ever thanks to the Pokémon X and Y games and especially Sun and Moon where they are more involved with their partner Pokémon, whether It's through their customization, Pokémon refresh, or the bond they share as they unleash their full potential through Mega evolution and Z-Moves. One item in particular that was introduced in the Pokémon Sun and Moon games allowed the Pokémon Trainer and their Pokemon to work together, even outside of battle, working as a replacement for HM's, is the Ride pager.

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    This item allows the Pokémon Trainer to summon any Pokémon to help them out whenever they encounter any obstacles or challenges that they need to overcome. And they aren't just limited to the six that are in their current party.
    In smash, the Pokémon Trainer can use this to work more like a summon based fighter and be more directly involved in battle rather than what was essentially another form of transformation based character that he was in Brawl. He can call upon any Pokémon for any given attacks and remove them when they are no longer in play.

    Moveset:

    Here is a lineup of Pokémon that the Pokémon Trainer would be able to summon with the pager. (Note: these are just the ones I thought up, if you have alternative or better idea's for Pokemon that the trainer can summon, do let me know.)
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    Normal moves

    Rapid jab
    Doublade is summoned, it cuts through the opponent repeatedly until it then cross cuts them away.

    Side Smash
    The trainer uses Aipom to slap the opponent away with it's large tail.
    Up Smash
    The trainer uses mawhile by putting it on their head and then letting it's large jaw bite down at any opponents that come from above
    Down Smash
    The trainer summons Tauros to deliver a large stomp to the ground

    Side tilt
    The trainer throws a rock
    Up tilt
    Doublade gets summoned to deliver two quick slashes up
    Down tilt
    Aipom moves its tail down along the trainer, can cause opponent to trip.

    Front air
    Trainer summons Doublade to do two quick jabs at the front
    Back air
    Doublade does two quick jabs at the back
    Down air
    Aipom slaps it's tail down very hard, which can be used as a meteor Smash.
    Up air
    Mawile's trap jaw bites up rapidly.

    Grabs
    The trainers summons Mawile to trap their opponents into the jaws of It's back, the player can then choose to either chew down on their opponent or throw them into any of the four directions.

    Special moves.

    Neutral special: Solar Beam
    The trainer can summon one Leavanny in the field which will charge up a solar beam, the beam will take about 10 seconds to charge up, once It's ready it will launch a strong solar beam. Afterwards it will get tired and will be unable to be used again for another 20 seconds. As the Leavanny is charging up It's Solar beam, the trainer is free to get back into battle in the meantime, so they can use this to get their opponent into the Pokemon's line of fire.

    Side special: Charge
    When on the ground, the move will be Tauros charge, where the trainer momentarily gets on Taurus to charge in towards any given directions (Much like Wario's bike)
    When used in the air, the trainer will instead summon Staraptor to do an aerial version of this move (Much like Villager's Lloid rocket)

    Up special: Fly
    The trainer will summon Staraptor to fly up high into the air and then descend quickly to the ground, any opponents in the way will be launched away. You can use the side special as you descend in order to turn the move into a more powerful Brave Bird.

    Down Special: Stealth Rock
    The trainer summons Mawile to spread stealth rocks in front of them that will remain there for about 5 seconds at a time, any incoming opponents that touch this will be receiving damage, however, it won't cause any flinching.

    Final Smash:
    Pokemon USUM spoiler

    Light that Burns the Sky

    The trainer will summon Necrozma (In a similar fashion as Captain Falcon's Blue Falcon, duck Hunt's Ducks etc)
    Any opponents that get hit by it will be sent towards an Ultra Wormhole where the trainer will perform the Z-Move of Light that Burns the Sky, Necrozma will then turn into Ultra Necrozma and perform it's Z-move. Once the animation, finishes, the opponents are sent out of the wormhole and launched away.

    Addittional summon pokemon idea's by @Luminario

    Well, there's a few off the top of my head.
    For a flier, there's no competition for Pidgeot. If you wanna go comical with it however Tropius and Golurk are good choices too.
    Meganium might be a better, more recognisable choice for a Solar Beam user, where it's neck petals could glow more depending on the charge. It could also be used in multiple Vine Whip attacks.
    Espeon/Umbreon and Plusle/Minun are good duo Pokemon for attacks like down smash or nair to cover both sides. Plusle and Minun could also have a 2 part attack that has you place them both in different places one by one, and when they're both set down they create a line of electricity to each other. Espeon and Umbreon can also have a light/dark thing going on, where Espeon attacks with light during up air/up tilt and Umbreon attacks with darkness for down air/down tilt.
    Clefairy could also be brought back to use Metronome, or Castform can be there to use Hail to create a cloud that sends down hail to do no-knockback damage.
    Sylveon's also practically the mascot fairy Pokemon that can also use it's feelers as whips or to grab opponents.
    Wobbuffet could be a counter Pokemon. Butterfree could use status-inducing powder attacks. Abra could teleport. Diglett could be a ground trap.

    Alternate costumes.

    Much like Bowser jr and Villager, the Pokémon Trainer can have multiple alternate costumes representing various main protagonists throughout all the Pokémon generations.

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    Albeit the number may be a bit too high to include every single one of them, they may be able to include at least four males and four female's to have a set of 8. Red, Ethan, May, Dawn and Serena seem to be particularly popular trainers that can be used (If their individual proportions work out)


    Pro's:
    • The Pokémon Trainer is an iconic part of the Pokémon franchise and due to their appearance back in Brawl, It's clear that Sakurai has tried to implement them in Smash before (albeit a bit wonky)

    Con's:
    • Sakurai is kind of infamous for not really changing up characters from previous Smash games too drastically from their previous incarnations.
    • Pokémon Trainers aren't exactly known to engage into battle themselves other than at the Safari Zone (sort of) and a certain kid from Pallet Town who headbutted a scientist and tried to punch a Mewtwo once....
     
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  2. Luminario

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    Your guess is as good as mine
    As rare as it would be I'd love to see a trainer actually enter the fray. Nice idea using the ride pager to explain the quick summons.
    I'm not sure on some of your choices for Pokemon summons though. I know you picked 1 Pokemon per gen but they'd likely choose more iconic Pokemon like Pidgeot, Eevee evos, and starters who aren't in Smash.
     
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    Yeah they would most likely go for more iconic Pokemon, I did mainly go for one Pokemon per gen, if you know of a better line up or moves for them to go with, do feel free to let me know.
     
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    Your guess is as good as mine
    Well, there's a few off the top of my head.
    For a flier, there's no competition for Pidgeot. If you wanna go comical with it however Tropius and Golurk are good choices too.
    Meganium might be a better, more recognisable choice for a Solar Beam user, where it's neck petals could glow more depending on the charge. It could also be used in multiple Vine Whip attacks.
    Espeon/Umbreon and Plusle/Minun are good duo Pokemon for attacks like down smash or nair to cover both sides. Plusle and Minun could also have a 2 part attack that has you place them both in different places one by one, and when they're both set down they create a line of electricity to each other. Espeon and Umbreon can also have a light/dark thing going on, where Espeon attacks with light during up air/up tilt and Umbreon attacks with darkness for down air/down tilt.
    Clefairy could also be brought back to use Metronome, or Castform can be there to use Hail to create a cloud that sends down hail to do no-knockback damage.
    Sylveon's also practically the mascot fairy Pokemon that can also use it's feelers as whips or to grab opponents.
    Wobbuffet could be a counter Pokemon. Butterfree could use status-inducing powder attacks. Abra could teleport. Diglett could be a ground trap.
    Honestly there's such potential for a fighter like this.
     
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    Oh wow, there are some great idea's here, would you mind if I added them to the OP, credit to you of course. ^^

    Agreed, having the Trainer as a summoner based fighter opens up doors for various unique moves involving Pokemon that wouldn't have much chance at Smash on their own or through a Poke Ball, but still have their abilities realized.
     
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    Since Nintendo embraces memes now, there's only one true viable style/team set for the Trainer.

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    it would be nice to him return be it in his old way or taking part in the fight himself
     
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    ... I can't believe that you're serious. That is the ONLY reason I will support this.
     
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    I mean, It's not like Smash never gave us any unorthodox fighters before...

    Thanks though.
     
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    Yeah...
    I'm messing with Link in Brawl right now, I'll get to PKMN Trainer later.
     
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    I would love an individual pokemon trainer in smash. Stamina idea in Brawl was awful, but i still think having a trainer would be great.
     
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    Heck, we could go further & have a human character from the franchise that doesn't even use Pokemon in Smash at all. A fair number of the human in the world

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    Multiple fighting type specialists are trained martial artists, naturally very capable of doing some fighting of their own. Chuck from GSC in particular fought a machoke in the anime (probably not the only occurrence of human vs. pokemon combat in the franchise).


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    Similarly psychic type specialists have a tendency to display their own psychic abilities, telekinesis being particularly common.


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    Then there are ninja trainers who...........do ninja stuff. They particularly seem to love the use of poison tactics.


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    Lt. Surge is a veteran who very likely has killed human & pokemon alike in the past.


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    While it probably applies to all of the villain factions to some degree, Team Rocket especially utilizes whips, traps, and other non-lethal weaponry for their monster-trafficking operations. Additionally, Koga, Sabrina, & Surge were all Rocket members in the Pokemon Adventures manga. So those 3 have even more moveset potential than most other trainers.


    But even the basic hero trainers could still be feasible with the application of the various items they carry.
    -Safari Zone rock: Pretty standard projectile
    -Pester ball: a stunning weapon
    -Bicycle: Used like Wario's side-b to run over opponents
    -Escape Rope: a tether recovery
    -Poke' doll: something that can absorb a hit
    -Rebel: no damage but high knockback spray
    -Fishing rod: Hookshot-like grab
    -Poke' Flute: soundwave attack
     
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    i dont think he ever killed anyone, he said he used electirc type pokemon to paralyze the enemy
     
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    Your guess is as good as mine
    I'd like to see items and such being used in a Trainer moveset, but I can't see them not using mostly Pokemon. Come to think of it they could have a special that lets them cycle through the different Key Items they have in their bag. Something like holding B lets you cycle through the items but tapping B lets you use it, a reference to setting an item to the shortcut button.
     
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    I've always liked the idea of a Pokémon Trainer in Smash, so I'm definitely supporting this. It doesn't really matter to me how he/she is implemented, I'd probably be excited either way.

    This might be a stretch, but I wonder if a possible Final Smash could be the Trainer calling a legendary Pokémon, and depending on the Gen (if the costumes are different-Gen Trainers), the legendary changes- e.g., Ethan calling Suicune, Hilbert calling Zekrom. I don't see it happening, and it'd be a lot of work for a purely aesthetic change, but I think it'd be cool.
     
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    A paralyzed enemy isn't defeated, just easier to pick off. XY confirmed that wars in the pokemon world are still lethal so it seems doubtful Surge's hands are completely clean. Plus the guy was talking to a 10 year old, he could've skimmed certain gruesome details of his past life on purpose.
     
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    I suppose they could also do like Peach's side smash attack and have them cycle through their items in a set order. Poke Block > Safari Rock > Pester Ball > Poke Block etc.

    Sounds like an interesting idea, though it might indeed be a bit difficult to implement since their hitboxes and everything will most probably vary, which I'm not sure if Sakurai would want to do that for an alt.
     
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    i think youre reading to much into very little
     
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    I don't support a Training fighting on it's own or taking hits in battle themselves. That never happened in game, and the Trainer is supposed to be pretty much helpless on it's own. Bad representation. Give me back a Brawl styled Pokemon Trainer without the damn stamina gimmick, and allow to use whichever Pokemon you want in a certain order of stocks or something similar.
     
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    That's essentially what a summoner does, to call forth creatures to protect them in battles as they won't be able to do as much on their own, that's kind of how he was in Brawl as well (Even though it was technically a transformation character in disguise for the Pokemon he put forth..)

    If they can make him work this time around in his Brawl style then that's fine as well (Although I don't see transformation characters returning as it was a fairly unpopular concept since it's inception back in Melee and I don't see them putting Charizard back with the trainer), otherwise, this can also be an alternative.
     
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    I'd support this, actually. I loved the idea that was in Brawl of being able to swap out Pokemon. However, I would make some slight changes, such as not swapping Pokemon when you die. Make down-taunt the activation to swap Pokemon and make it so you can't hurt or be hurt after swapping for a very, very short time. Thus, swapping out doesn't get you punished.
     

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