The C-Stick

[smashbro29]

I was once like your pals, I was playing since 64 and they got Melee before me (I didn't even know there was a sequel) and when we went to play they were calling Smash attacks "C moves" and they wanted to know how I was "turning all yellow".

 

[NOOB]

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[SupaSairentoZ7℠]

And the thing about c-stick being "cheap" is just ridiculous. Cheap is only a word that unexperienced players use to whine about tactics that they cannot beat.

Definitely agree and so true...

 

[Claire Diviner]

Yeah, the C-stick is good for all characters, though not necessarily good for all moves. I mean, if you just want to launch a smash attack on the fly, then by all means, tilt that stick. Certain aerials also benefit greatly thanks to the utility of the C-stick, like Meta Knight spamming Uair without having to use up a jump everytime he launches said aerial, which is what he will do if done by pressing Up and A. As mentioned before, you also have the DACUS (look it up, if you're unfamilar with that term) which - to my knowledge - requires C-stick usage to be performed. It's what makes characters like Snake and Wario that effective, and even helps others, like Sheik and other such characters... but poor Link. Ever heard of B-sticking? It's when you assign B moves to the C-stick, and characters, like Lucas, benefit heavily from that too. So, in conclusion, the C-stick is a powerful and versatile tool when used properly, so anyone that tells you that using the C-stick is a "noob" thing may end up being good without it, but I'm willing to bet they wouldn't last very long against top pros... because come on, I'm positive even they use the C-stick too.

 

[Vinylic.]

That commentary that the C-stick it's just for noobs is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I love to spam my smashes and, despite the fact that I know that IS a very dumb thing, I don't really care. I mean, that's my play style. Kinda "keep him away and await your time" play style. In my opinion, don't matter if you spam them, what matter is if you can get the job done. Of course, is always good to have some fresh moves and smashes but in my case (Diddy), the only moves I prefer to hold back are F-smash, D-smash and B-air. Every other move I spam like there is no tomorrow XD, especially up smash and dash atk. Those I use to start combos.

Answering to your question, I don't have any knowledge of this kind of guide and I don't really think there is a need to. About your group, what you could do it it's observe how they play, and every time they get near to mock you about the c-stick, mock them for something of their play style.

Erm.

This is not going to help you in a competitive match. Looking at your post count makes you a Causual player. >_>

 

[T.J.]

Erm.

This is not going to help you in a competitive match. Looking at your post count makes you a Causual player. >_>

Erm.

If you can tell he's casual, then why would he care a lot about a competitive match? >_>

 

[Vinylic.]

Erm.

If you can tell he's casual, then why would he care a lot about a competitive match? >_>

Erm.

Don't butt in. You'll make dumb arguements here.

 

[professor mgw]

My tag: <- (C) ->

 

[Le vieux lapin]

I'm having a problem with my SSBB group.
For some reason, even the most experienced players in my group consider using the C-Stick the most noob thing to do, after spamming, and I am not able to convince them otherwise.
Using rationale such as "Even high ranking tournament players use the C-Stick" ushers comments such as "Oh yeah? Who?" and the like, even from experienced players.
Though I am not that a bad player (nor am I that good, I have a lot of training to do), I have been labeled as a worst class C-Noob, even though I do not even use characters like Meta Knight et cetera that are labeled as typical characters most "noobs" (though I my self do not prefer to use that word) use. I actually prefer to use rarer characters.
The weirdest thing is, the group of SSBB players I belong to has some pretty good players in it...

I do aknowledge that I have to cordinate my usage better to keep smashes from becoming too weak, but it seems the whole idea of even touching the C-Sick seems out of the question, at least according to the players in my group.

So, to my actual question: Could someone direct me to a guide that would have information or rationale behind using the C-Stick, or write some? I would be very grateful if I would have some rationale, and not have myself mocked upon every time I use the C-Stick.

A r r o g a n t rookie. The reason they call you a noob is because you are
okay with using low tier characters, and have no skill. The c-stick isn't the
key to your success..... just use MK.

 

[MechaWave]

I use the C-Stick to spam smash attacks and DACUS. I use the control stick to charge it up and (if possible) angle the smashes.

 

[Big-Cat]

Sometimes =P

I can do run into USmash with the C-Stick. I assume the executions similar.

 

[Le vieux lapin]

I can do run into USmash with the C-Stick. I assume the executions similar.

Not with all characters i think

 

[Big-Cat]

Not with all characters i think

You mean that slide into back FSmash is only possible with certain characters?

AndI just realized I made a mistake on my last post. I can do the dash into USmash withOUT a C-Stick, it was like a day 2 thing for me. Can still do it without much of a problem.

 

[Le vieux lapin]

I can't believe we already have 4 pages of posts from a topic like this.
I'm just trying to get 200 so I can get out of apprentice.

 

[miharuka]

Seriously, WHAT is wrong with the C-stick?! :/
I use it all the time, as much as I use my other stick or buttons.
I don't get what's noob about that.
There's not much difference about using the A button and the other stick or using the C-stick.
What's next? Jumping with Y or X is for noobs too?

 

[Ghostbone]

What's next? Jumping with Y or X is for noobs too?

A decent amount of casual players think tap jump is for noobs >.>

 

[miharuka]

Really?
Gee, I don't get it.
Just what's the big difference? :S
Some finds it easier to jump with Y or X and some finds it easier to jump with the stick.
Same goes for the C-Stick. I don't get the problem about that.
There's nothing noobish about it.

 

[Wizzrobe]

The C-stick is not cheap its a part of how you play the game and if they are that good, they should be able to deal with you using C-stick.

 

[Beninator]

The C-Stick is the only way to do a back air while moving forwards.

 

[moomoomamoo]

I would display the frame differences between all smashes when using the c-stick vs A+ direction and show them the frames for when a shield comes up or dodges. Then look at the window of needed prediction/reaction someone has to have or needs if they are to properly respond to an attack. Plus C-stick > A+ direction in my book personally since I always press C-stick and hold Z for a charge attack.

 

[Laserbeam]

I personally never C-Stick because I believe the whole point to charging up for a smash attack is you have to earn it - earn the time and get lucky with the placement. Taking away the time it takes to charge a smash attack makes it a given and diminishes that skill. Not saying C-Sticking doesn't take skill, but it's a skill far removed from charging your attacks. Apples and oranges in my opinion. If one person chooses apples, though, the other player should be curteous and follow suit. If your opponent's smashes aren't instantaneous, man up and play the same way. Just my two cents.

 

[Ghostbone]

I personally never C-Stick because I believe the whole point to charging up for a smash attack is you have to earn it - earn the time and get lucky with the placement. Taking away the time it takes to charge a smash attack makes it a given and diminishes that skill. Not saying C-Sticking doesn't take skill, but it's a skill far removed from charging your attacks. Apples and oranges in my opinion. If one person chooses apples, though, the other player should be curteous and follow suit. If your opponent's smashes aren't instantaneous, man up and play the same way. Just my two cents.

That's actually an incredibly scrubby thought process.

The whole point of a smash attack is to do whatever the game lets them do.
Some aren't for killing, and are more GTFO moves, having to charge them would make them useless.
And some need the speed to be effective. Using the c-stick doesn't somehow make you worse, in actuality not using the c-stick makes you a worse player.

And there are other uses for the c-stick than just smashing.

 

[Laserbeam]

That's actually an incredibly scrubby thought process.

The whole point of a smash attack is to do whatever the game lets them do.
Some aren't for killing, and are more GTFO moves, having to charge them would make them useless.
And some need the speed to be effective. Using the c-stick doesn't somehow make you worse, in actuality not using the c-stick makes you a worse player.

And there are other uses for the c-stick than just smashing.

I admit I don't know all that much, I posted before I went back and read through the entire thread. I learned a bit since then. But I will defend my post in that I wasn't trying to say C-Stick makes you worse. I mentioned that C-Sticking and regular A-Smashing are different. Which to a small degree they are. No one can actually disagree to that because as people pointed out things are nearly impossible to impossible to do without C-Stick. That in itself proves they are different, which is what a lot of my last post was trying to say.

I am super scrub though. I don't even have a Wii so I can't practice. X__X

 

[Ghostbone]

I admit I don't know all that much, I posted before I went back and read through the entire thread. I learned a bit since then. But I will defend my post in that I wasn't trying to say C-Stick makes you worse. I mentioned that C-Sticking and regular A-Smashing are different. Which to a small degree they are. No one can actually disagree to that because as people pointed out things are nearly impossible to impossible to do without C-Stick. That in itself proves they are different, which is what a lot of my last post was trying to say.

I am super scrub though. I don't even have a Wii so I can't practice. X__X

No it doesn't prove anything you were trying to say.

What you were saying is you don't believe the c-stick is fair to use.

And the only reason I can think that you're saying that is because the c-stick is useful.
And that's the whole point of the c-stick...to be useful, and allow you to more easily do aerials while facing a different way, option selects in shield, easier quick smashes, instant pivot grabs, etc.
If Sakurai didn't want people to be able to use the c-stick he wouldn't have made the c-stick do anything....

 

[Laserbeam]

All my first post was about was the philosophical reasoning behind my personal preference for not using the C-Stick, and how if someone isn't using it why not level the playing field by playing the same way now and then. I didn't say C-Stick wasn't fair to use. Not really sure why people can't state how they play without getting bashed. Yeah C-Stick is necessary for top level play. Doesn't mean you have to use it when you're playing a relaxed match.

 

[link2702]

as i've said before, the people who are refusing to use it....


are honestly idiots

i can understand some scrub players ideas about using things like the DACUS, or anything that is a physics exploit or glitch, but to not use a completly intended mechanic of the game, is just downright idiotic.

whats next are casuals gonna say footstool jumps aren't fair? or powershields?

 

[Ghostbone]

All my first post was about was the philosophical reasoning behind my personal preference for not using the C-Stick, and how if someone isn't using it why not level the playing field by playing the same way now and then. I didn't say C-Stick wasn't fair to use. Not really sure why people can't state how they play without getting bashed. Yeah C-Stick is necessary for top level play. Doesn't mean you have to use it when you're playing a relaxed match.

If someone thinks recovering is cheap and therefore just jumps into the blast zone whenever hit off-stage does that mean you should do the same?
No because that would be idiotic, same deal with the c-stick.
If your opponent doesn't want to use it fine he doesn't have to. Why should the other player not use it?

as i've said before, the people who are refusing to use it....


are honestly idiots

i can understand some scrub players ideas about using things like the DACUS, or anything that is a physics exploit or glitch, but to not use a completly intended mechanic of the game, is just downright idiotic.

whats next are casuals gonna say footstool jumps aren't fair? or powershields?

DACUS is purposely programmed into the game >.>

 

[Alien Vision]

My C-Stick works only 1/3rd of the time. I main Ganondorf, and having my C-Stick acting up + my halfway broken R button, it can get nasty. Lol.

Anyways, the C-Stick is legit. People who complain are not legit of their own standards.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

The only people who complain about C-Stick, are people who can't capitalize on the spamming of it.

 

[Twinkles]

All my first post was about was the philosophical reasoning behind my personal preference for not using the C-Stick, and how if someone isn't using it why not level the playing field by playing the same way now and then. I didn't say C-Stick wasn't fair to use. Not really sure why people can't state how they play without getting bashed. Yeah C-Stick is necessary for top level play. Doesn't mean you have to use it when you're playing a relaxed match.

I really doubt there's much in the way of philosophy in this...you just haven't used the c-stick at all, no biggie XD

Really recommend you start using it though. Don't try to bring morality into it because if you're discussing the good and evil of a bright yellow controller nipple, you may have other problems in your life >->

But, I guess it's up to you. I used to not play with c-stick, but after practicing with it and getting used to its little nuances, it's pretty much irreplaceable to me lol

 

[Musical Rum]

If you dont c-stick you get ownt playing as G&W

 

[OmegaXXII]

I never used the C-Stick for any reason period! Heck I never knew it had a function until a friend of mine used it, and that was a year after I first started playing, it's useless IMO.

 

[Fireman]

Well, I use Ike and the C-stick is sort of necessary for me. Doing bthrow or fthrow at high % -> instant dash attack is literally impossible without the C-stick I believe. (Slam forward on the joystick, and down on the c-stick). Glide-tossing is impossible without the C-stick. It also helps you keep momentum on aerials. Shortcuts aren't cheap and are programmed into the game, why not use it?

 

[-LzR-]

I have glidetossed without the Cstick. Not that hard but mankind was never meant to move their fingers in such manner.

 

[Fireman]

Definitely A LOT easier with the C-stick. Shortcuts > doing the raw inputs

 

[Le vieux lapin]

Not much fun for me, since my smashes are too slow anyway.
Bair is my smash.

 

[bound_for_earth]

i find jabs really ineffective so i use smash attacks and b moves