Dark Phazon
Smash Hero
Yh but theres only so much patches can do...plus how many times do you think Sakurai would be willing to do it.......?
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The Big Dirty Question : ROSTER SIZE?
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MargnetMan23
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IDK a couple of times but frankly it would probably be enough to be better then Brawl's balance
APC99
Smash Master
Well, let's look at it by using SCIENCE!
There were 12 characters in SSB64, with 8 starters and 4 unlockables.
Then in Melee, we had all of the original 12, plus 4 new starters and 9 new unlockables. This nearly doubled the roster, with 25 characters, no cuts.
In Brawl, we had 5 characters cut, making 20 veterans, plus 9 new starters and 6 new unlockables. This added 35 characters, only adding 10 new spots in the roster.
Sakurai has stated they're trying to make no cuts, and are trying to get a ton of characters in. We can confirm there are at least 8 starters (Mario, DK, Link, Kirby, Samus, Fox, Pikachu, Olimar) plus 4 other characters (Luigi, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, Mega Man) means we have 12 confirmed characters. if we go to logic, we can say that there will be 6 new starter characters. If we include Villager and Wii Fit Trainer as starters, it means that there may only be 4 new starting characters. However, I believe that we will get no cuts from Brawl. That makes 37 spots so far. This means, to get an ideal roster of 42-50 characters, we will get 4-12 new characters. And, looking at trends, I can guess on some info.
-Based on the fact that new starter characters seem to follow a trend of being their own series, I'm going to predict that Little Mac is in the game and is a starter.
-We all think Mewtwo will return.
-I'm including a fourth third-party.
-Every game introduces a new rep for Star Fox and Pokemon.
So those rumors supposedly "confirm" that there are at least 42 characters. I'm going to guess that there is a nice round number of 47-50 characters.
There were 12 characters in SSB64, with 8 starters and 4 unlockables.
Then in Melee, we had all of the original 12, plus 4 new starters and 9 new unlockables. This nearly doubled the roster, with 25 characters, no cuts.
In Brawl, we had 5 characters cut, making 20 veterans, plus 9 new starters and 6 new unlockables. This added 35 characters, only adding 10 new spots in the roster.
Sakurai has stated they're trying to make no cuts, and are trying to get a ton of characters in. We can confirm there are at least 8 starters (Mario, DK, Link, Kirby, Samus, Fox, Pikachu, Olimar) plus 4 other characters (Luigi, Wii Fit Trainer, Villager, Mega Man) means we have 12 confirmed characters. if we go to logic, we can say that there will be 6 new starter characters. If we include Villager and Wii Fit Trainer as starters, it means that there may only be 4 new starting characters. However, I believe that we will get no cuts from Brawl. That makes 37 spots so far. This means, to get an ideal roster of 42-50 characters, we will get 4-12 new characters. And, looking at trends, I can guess on some info.
-Based on the fact that new starter characters seem to follow a trend of being their own series, I'm going to predict that Little Mac is in the game and is a starter.
-We all think Mewtwo will return.
-I'm including a fourth third-party.
-Every game introduces a new rep for Star Fox and Pokemon.
So those rumors supposedly "confirm" that there are at least 42 characters. I'm going to guess that there is a nice round number of 47-50 characters.
Cool Daddy Booty Funk
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I honestly think there is a possibility that a large number of characters cut and we have a roster size smaller than brawl. Maybe even the size of melee's roster.
I think many people would be greatly disappointed if the roster were smaller than Brawl's. Remember, this game needs to sell both the die-hard tournament players like most of this board and the casual players such as myself. I'm predicting anywhere from 42-50 characters, before transformations, with a few cuts from Brawl's roster, and a return or two from Melee.
moneyfrenzy
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What about pit and bowser?? And Brawl either had 39 or 35 characters depending on the way you look at it, not 37
Dark Phazon
Smash Hero
I would be happy with a roster between 30/35 but it does depend who the chars are and most importantly the balance needs to be far great than brawls.
I still believe and support Sakurai's catchphrase for Sm4sh.
Quality>Quantity.
But i think some PeePz want the other way round...thats why this thread keeps hopping...but meh...everyones likes different things....i just think it will benefit the game more in general and expecially in the long run.
See like 50 chars only 10 Viable for hard play
35 chars - 15-20 viable for hard play?
I still believe and support Sakurai's catchphrase for Sm4sh.
Quality>Quantity.
But i think some PeePz want the other way round...thats why this thread keeps hopping...but meh...everyones likes different things....i just think it will benefit the game more in general and expecially in the long run.
See like 50 chars only 10 Viable for hard play
35 chars - 15-20 viable for hard play?
moneyfrenzy
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Although im fine either way, Balance wont sell the game. I prefer quality over quantity,
But for the general public, people would always want more over less, and if they make a 30 character game, it will not be as popular as if the game had 45 characters
But for the general public, people would always want more over less, and if they make a 30 character game, it will not be as popular as if the game had 45 characters
MasterOfKnees
Space Pirate
Sakurai did however say that we should expect cuts, he said outright that the reality of the situation is that there simply isn't enough time to bring everyone back. People argue whether this refers to the Melee vets too, but I think Sakurai knew what context it was in. He also said some time before/early production that he doesn't want a too big roster, because it'll be too hard to balance, and he'd rather have a well balanced game than a game with a gigantic roster.
I'm personally expecting anywhere from 40-45 character, they may have a big development team, but it's still A LOT of work, it's crazy, they really deserve some kind of "Best Development Team Ever" award if they manage to not only get every character from Brawl in, but also round it up to 50 AND keep it well balanced at the same time. Realistically they can't reach all of those goals.
grizby2
Smash Lord
too bad they can't put out a public beta test. I would pour every once of my being into it.
when video games came out for the first time, they didn't really care to see if their game had any flaws. the just slapped some code into a plastic medium and tried to make cash on it.
there were only a select few who put time into that sort of thing.
then around the ps1/n64 era, they decided that it was something to consider, so they hired beta testers. unfortunately, it didn't feel like the beta testers themselves played video games at all and just kinda stuck to it like a dead end job.
its just sad in my eyes. beta testers should be people like US, and I hope NamcoBandai is just that.
of course now'a days, beta testing is ALOT better and taken seriously.
when they think something isn't balanced, they need to: call it out immediately, test it, analyze the facts, then determine weather or not it is in fact unbalanced.
OT: I think 45 characters is a good number, and I believe 50 is within the realm of possibility. I know you can do it NamcoBandai!
when video games came out for the first time, they didn't really care to see if their game had any flaws. the just slapped some code into a plastic medium and tried to make cash on it.
there were only a select few who put time into that sort of thing.then around the ps1/n64 era, they decided that it was something to consider, so they hired beta testers. unfortunately, it didn't feel like the beta testers themselves played video games at all and just kinda stuck to it like a dead end job.
its just sad in my eyes. beta testers should be people like US, and I hope NamcoBandai is just that.
of course now'a days, beta testing is ALOT better and taken seriously.
when they think something isn't balanced, they need to: call it out immediately, test it, analyze the facts, then determine weather or not it is in fact unbalanced.
OT: I think 45 characters is a good number, and I believe 50 is within the realm of possibility. I know you can do it NamcoBandai!
APC99
Smash Master
I completely forgot Bowser and Pit. Poop.
Adding a character in Smash Bros. is a lot like multiplying. Say you add Mario first. Then you add DK. Now you have to tweak Mario so that he balances with DK. Then you add Link and you have to tweak DK and Mario so they balance with Link while still balancing with each other, and so on and so forth. It's not quite as simple as "K, Mario's done. Let's do DK and then get started on Link".
Because of that, I do think we'll be lucky to pass 50. 48 even seems a little high. We'll probably get ~10 newcomers. I'd be very okay with around 45.
Because of that, I do think we'll be lucky to pass 50. 48 even seems a little high. We'll probably get ~10 newcomers. I'd be very okay with around 45.
Dark Phazon
Smash Hero
Yh but balancing while doing free for all 4 player all items....maybe a faster way to do it but...i think its wrong.....
Smashoperatingbuddy123
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That and sonic has 2 new games coming and he could get added for a celebration of one of them
In October lost worlds
Or in November the next Mario and sonic at the Olympic Games its the next winter by the way
Supporting sonic by the way not against
I agree.
KingofPhantoms
The Spook Factor
45 characters is enough for me.
Smashoperatingbuddy123
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Nice pretty accurate
But 2 mistakes where's pit and bowser and sakurai assures they're going to be a couple of cuts but probably less than 5 this time and probably like 3 cuts
BADGRAPHICS
Smash Ace
Really!? How many obscure, forgotten characters, clones, and cobbled-together movesets do you want, exactly?
Dark Phazon
Smash Hero
ZSS samus's bra size thats the dirty question.
Not this krap.
Not this krap.
Dark Phazon
Smash Hero
Lmfao RealTalk.
MargnetMan23
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Well if there are 35 characters not counting transformations in brawl and if there were no cuts then 10 new characters would be pretty great
Double D's, son. Question solved.
Fatmanonice
Banned via Warnings
I find it funny how during the preBrawl days everyone was expecting 45-50 characters up from 26 characters but now that we have 39 most people don't think they'll break past 45. Maybe it's better that people are keeping this expectations low this time around given how wild and unrealistic they were for Brawl.
Dark Phazon
Smash Hero
Sakurai never gave a hint like this before.
Fatmanonice
Banned via Warnings
Except he was incredibly vague (like always) and he made similar comments with Brawl, even explicitly noting that not everyone would return. He never outright said that the roster would be small or that the number of new characters overall would be severally reduced from Brawl. Honestly, it's not all that different except now everyone is more pessimistic about what has been said than optimistic like with Brawl.
Hippopotasauce
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Rooster Size:
As you may have guessed, roosters are far larger than the average hen.
As you may have guessed, roosters are far larger than the average hen.
SonicMario
Smash Master
I think there will be somewhere around 45 characters (Not counting Transformations/The different Pokemon for Pokemon Trainer)
Around 40 Nintendo Characters and 2-4 Third Parties (There's no way Mega Man's going to be the lonely 3rd Party. Sonic's practically a shoe-in. Snake's a bit unsure but I personally would rather have him back then not. Pac-Man being among the more likely 3rd Party newcomers albeit it's not a sure thing. I'd say Snake's return is at least a tiny bit more likely then Pac-Man being in the game even with Namco helping with this game. But if Namco's getting a rep at all it will be Pac-Man)
Around 40 Nintendo Characters and 2-4 Third Parties (There's no way Mega Man's going to be the lonely 3rd Party. Sonic's practically a shoe-in. Snake's a bit unsure but I personally would rather have him back then not. Pac-Man being among the more likely 3rd Party newcomers albeit it's not a sure thing. I'd say Snake's return is at least a tiny bit more likely then Pac-Man being in the game even with Namco helping with this game. But if Namco's getting a rep at all it will be Pac-Man)
Dark Phazon
Smash Hero
If anything...what is a bigger dirty question is the release date.....RealTalk.
mimgrim
Smash Hero
Honestly I am expecting around 42-43 characters myself and personally don't want more then 45. Give them more time to work on gameplay and balance that way. :C
Dark Phazon
Smash Hero
Even online is a bigger dirtier Q.
NJ_Gamer
Smash Rookie
Smash 64 had 12, Melee had 26, Brawl had 39 total with 4 cut (I count Toon Link and Young Link as the same character) with 17 new characters. I think this new one has about 52 with 4 or 5 Brawl characters cut.
nat pagle
Smash Ace
52 is too high. Especially with two separate games.
Dark Phazon
Smash Hero
35 chars are enough but it depends who.
Blaziken77
Smash Rookie
I'd say 60-ish.. Yes, there's the time thing and all that. And low space. But don't forget that they don't have to make a giant, long time-taking story mode like Subspace Emissary. That'll make things easier. Then take in that 3ds will have like 25 stages, and a very small single-player most likely... I think there's a good chance of a dlarge addition to the roster.
nat pagle
Smash Ace
60? That's really pushing it, Sakurai wants balance and having 60 characters is going to be tough.
MargnetMan23
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I'd say 40-50 would be a bit more accurate
Hm yeah you're probably right. I'm not sure if I can wrap my head around the potential of Smash Bros having 50 characters though. It sounds almost too good to be true.