The Big Dirty Question : ROSTER SIZE?

[MargnetMan23]

Hm yeah you're probably right. I'm not sure if I can wrap my head around the potential of Smash Bros having 50 characters though. It sounds almost too good to be true.

I'd realistically say that 50 is probably the absolute maximum. 45 seems reasonable 40 seems a bit low.

 

[SmashShadow]

Brawl had 39 characters.
SSB4 has confirmed at least 3 new characters in the first trailer.
He also made statements about not cutting any characters yet.
This puts us at 42 by the very first trailer. I'd be surprised if the total didn't exceed 45 characters.

 

[nat pagle]

Hm yeah you're probably right. I'm not sure if I can wrap my head around the potential of Smash Bros having 50 characters though. It sounds almost too good to be true.

5 rows of 10 just seems a bit overwhelming.

 

[AceStone]

The only characters I can see getting cut would be Toon Link, Wolf, Sonic, Snake and Lucario.

Sonic and Snake for the obvious third-party reason. It's not exactly easy for Sakurai, according to him, to renew the licences. And there's a lot of asking and stuff to go around with that, but I do hope they come back. Lucario was in it for the promotion, just like Roy. He even had a good amount of similarities with Mewtwo. I hope Mewtwo returns instead though, with his new Mega Form and Movie and all that it's a possibility. As much as I'd hate Toon Link getting cut(My MAIN main in Melee and Brawl) but he's just a faster Link with very minor differences. The slot could be used for a more original character. Wolf is just about another clone with minor differences as well. At least Falco's move set was changed almost in it it's entirety with the exception of three "B" moves and one or two tilt attacks. Not to mention all the Star Fox reps Final Smashes were the same. That was just lazy. If they plan to keep him, they need to rework him. But I'd like for him to come back. Same with Ganondorf. He's almost as identical as he was in Melee. He's got WAY more potential than that.

Other than that my only other complaint would be Lucas's Final Smash(Or Ness) needs a change. One or the other.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Brawl had 39 characters.
SSB4 has confirmed at least 3 new characters in the first trailer.
He also made statements about not cutting any characters yet.
This puts us at 42 by the very first trailer. I'd be surprised if the total didn't exceed 45 characters.

Transformations are generally not considered seperate characters, so that leaves us at 38 characters. Even then you gotta take cuts into consideration, which there'll most likely be some of.

 

[Curious Villager]

Sakurai does actually consider transformations as separate characters though as he always refers to Brawl containing 39 characters instead of 35, since they also need to work on every one of them separately so it's understandable why he thinks so.

 

[SmashShadow]

Wolf is just about another clone with minor differences as well. At least Falco's move set was changed almost in it it's entirety with the exception of three "B" moves and one or two tilt attacks. Not to mention all the Star Fox reps Final Smashes were the same. That was just lazy. If they plan to keep him, they need to rework him. But I'd like for him to come back. Same with Ganondorf. He's almost as identical as he was in Melee. He's got WAY more potential than that.

Other than that my only other complaint would be Lucas's Final Smash(Or Ness) needs a change. One or the other.

Just gonna leave this here...

Yes, the Landmaster problem was inexcusable but they aren't that similar. Only their specials are the similar and even then, those aren't direct copy's like Falco's pretty much are.

 

[Dark Phazon]

Wow.....watching that vid......Brawl really needs to be forgotton.....RealTalk.....

 

[DarkFoxTeam]

The only characters I can see getting cut would be Toon Link, Wolf, Sonic, Snake and Lucario.

Sonic and Snake for the obvious third-party reason. It's not exactly easy for Sakurai, according to him, to renew the licences. And there's a lot of asking and stuff to go around with that, but I do hope they come back. Lucario was in it for the promotion, just like Roy. He even had a good amount of similarities with Mewtwo. I hope Mewtwo returns instead though, with his new Mega Form and Movie and all that it's a possibility. As much as I'd hate Toon Link getting cut(My MAIN main in Melee and Brawl) but he's just a faster Link with very minor differences. The slot could be used for a more original character. Wolf is just about another clone with minor differences as well. At least Falco's move set was changed almost in it it's entirety with the exception of three "B" moves and one or two tilt attacks. Not to mention all the Star Fox reps Final Smashes were the same. That was just lazy. If they plan to keep him, they need to rework him. But I'd like for him to come back. Same with Ganondorf. He's almost as identical as he was in Melee. He's got WAY more potential than that.

Other than that my only other complaint would be Lucas's Final Smash(Or Ness) needs a change. One or the other.

Honestly, i think Sonic will come back especially considering how he, according to Sakurai, is currently the most requested 3rd party character to be in the new Smash. Megaman was originally the most requested character to be in the new Smash, but since he's already in that leaves Sonic. Plus, with Nintendo exclusive deal with Sega for the new Sonic games he shouldn't have too much of an issue returning especially considering how Sega themselves said they would love to have Sonic come back in the new Smash Bros. So i'd say his chances are pretty good. As for Snake, i just don't see him coming back unless Kojima comes back begging lol. I dont really know about Lucario though. He's been in a lot of promotional stuff laltely with the whole Mega Evolution and they even showed him battling Mewtwo in the new trailer for Mega Evolutions. In fact, they even went as far as to make a pictures of Mega Lucario fighting Mega Mewtwo, so i'd say they're rivals in some way. So something tells me Lucario and Mewtwo will both be in the game, but if that's the case then i guess that would mean we probably wouldn't get Zoroark. Either way, Mewtwo will most likely be coming back, but i wouldn't rule out Lucario just yet.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Larger than brawl with some cuts, ending up somewhere between 42 and 48.

I feel anyone who thinks there won't be cuts is dreaming in cuckoo land.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I'd say 45 would be a reasonable number. But that would leave 7 newcomers with no cuts.

 

[nat pagle]

I'd say 45 would be a reasonable number. But that would leave 7 newcomers with no cuts.

I think we'll get replacements as opposed to cuts. Ike, Lucario, Wolf, and ROB are likely to get a replacement.

 

[nat pagle]

Double post, I wish I could figure out how to delete...

 

[aldelaro5]

imo, I think there will have 50 without cuy so, I think it's 50 - number of cut so it would be like 45 - 50 (I don't think we will have more than 5 cuts)

 

[papagenos]

45 seems to be the magic number imo but it might be 43 spots plus zero suit and sheik counting as 45 total.

I'd love 50 or even 45 spots not counting transformations but we'll see... im pessimistic about the size.

 

[Blaziken77]

60? That's really pushing it, Sakurai wants balance and having 60 characters is going to be tough.

True. But..
The original had 12.
Melee got 14, counting Sheik.
Brawl got 18, counting Zero Suit Samus and counting Pokemon Trainer as 3.
That leads up to SSB4 having probably 20+ newcomers, if it follows that. Considering cuts of about 6 characters, that leaves at least 53 characters. So say the newcomer amount is 22. That makes 55. So I could see the amount of characters in the ballpark of 60.

 

[AceStone]

Just gonna leave this here...


Yes, the Landmaster problem was inexcusable but they aren't that similar. Only their specials are the similar and even then, those aren't direct copy's like Falco's pretty much are.

Falco was a direct clone in Melee but they altered his set in Brawl. Mainly his air game with a different set of range on some moves. Although Wolf isn't a direct clone, but his moves vary with a mix of both Fox and Falco with slight range adjusted. He's got few different moves that are clearly different, but I guess what I'm going for is that I wanted to see more difference within, being a Wolf user. I still see them all similar somewhat, but you can only change and share so much.

Honestly, i think Sonic will come back especially considering how he, according to Sakurai, is currently the most requested 3rd party character to be in the new Smash. Megaman was originally the most requested character to be in the new Smash, but since he's already in that leaves Sonic. Plus, with Nintendo exclusive deal with Sega for the new Sonic games he shouldn't have too much of an issue returning especially considering how Sega themselves said they would love to have Sonic come back in the new Smash Bros. So i'd say his chances are pretty good. As for Snake, i just don't see him coming back unless Kojima comes back begging lol. I dont really know about Lucario though. He's been in a lot of promotional stuff laltely with the whole Mega Evolution and they even showed him battling Mewtwo in the new trailer for Mega Evolutions. In fact, they even went as far as to make a pictures of Mega Lucario fighting Mega Mewtwo, so i'd say they're rivals in some way. So something tells me Lucario and Mewtwo will both be in the game, but if that's the case then i guess that would mean we probably wouldn't get Zoroark. Either way, Mewtwo will most likely be coming back, but i wouldn't rule out Lucario just yet.

Sonic is the one I'm thinking may comeback. Promotion and the collaboration with Nintendo and all. Sakurai still mentioned it was hard. Sonic should've been easy since Nintendo and Sega work together frequently. And all of the Snake inclusion went up to him instead of the other way around. So I have no clue to what the hell he means by all that. Mega was probably a little harder since Capcom likes to be difficult with all the trolling. As far as Lucario, I haven't checked out the promo for that, so, I'm probably missing a bit there. But they would have to promote his Mega Form in some way if that's the case. But I'm hoping for Mewtwo on this one.

 

[Starbound]

Smash 64's roster size was 12.
Melee's roster size was 26, an increase of 14.
Brawl's roster size was 39, and increase of 13.

Still thinking 10 +/-3 is a pretty accurate guess.

 

[BaPr]

My guess is somewhere between 45-50

 

[Dark Phazon]

I think we'll get replacements as opposed to cuts. Ike, Lucario, Wolf, and ROB are likely to get a replacement.

Finally someone just said it like......

 

[MoonlapseOpethian]

I'm guessing 45 max., meaning 7 new, unrevealed characters.Considering there are a lot of candidates for being dropped we may have to say goodbye and hello to a few. I know that Sakurai is trying to keep cuts to a minimum though so if an oldie doesn't get in they ran out of time, rather than them being replaced.

Lol, wut? That would be awful...

Smash 64 - 12 characters, all are technically new, so 12 newcomers.

Melee - 26 total, so 14 newcomers, granted we had a few clones. This is counting Sheik as separate, of course.

Brawl - The game says 35, but if you have Sheik separate, count Zero Suit separate, and count Pokemon Trainer as three characters instead of one, you'll have 39, so 13 newcomers essentially, plus the newcomers who are replacement characters like Ike, Toon Link, etc.

So ASSUMING that there are no cuts, we SHOULD be getting roughly 12 newcomers NOT counting people who'll replace veterans like potentially Zoroark. Any less just feels wrong, and I personally don't like the idea of Sakurai teasing us for 1 year and a half, 6 or so years total to basically give us 7 new characters, when there are SO many amazing and borderline neccesarry characters to be added, and lets face it, this will probably be the last Smash Bros. game, at least developed by Sakurai anyway.

 

[Luigi player]

Shut up about that people! The link from WW and ST are different, hundreds or thousands of years apart. Plus do was on 75m
Smaller than brawl, but only by a few

The DK (or "do", how you call him) on 75m is actually Cranky Kong.
Not to mention he looks completely different. As for Toon Link and the one on that train stage... the look pretty much the same, except with a little different outfit. Do you really think you'll be able to play Toon Link with another "Toon Link" in the background that looks exactly the same, just with different cloths?

Well, it's possible Sakurai does it. But imo it's kinda likely he'll get cut, but we'll see. I just wish that if he got cut.. that normal Link would be a little better / a mix out of them, but it doesn't seem like Link is any better.... (especially his recovery, which is what mostly held him back in the first place...)

I'm definitely expecting a larger roster than the one in Brawl, although it's likely that it isn't too much bigger...

 

[Curious Villager]

The DK (or "do", how you call him) on 75m is actually Cranky Kong.
Not to mention he looks completely different. As for Toon Link and the one on that train stage... the look pretty much the same, except with a little different outfit. Do you really think you'll be able to play Toon Link with another "Toon Link" in the background that looks exactly the same, just with different cloths?

You do realize the Toon Link in the Spirit Tracks stage is a completely different person as well right? Even nessokman mentioned it to you. Not to mention that his name isn't even Toon Link.

Not this argument again...

 

[Luigi player]

Not this argument again...

:D
But there is only one Link! Just like how Paper Mario IS Mario.

 

[Curious Villager]

Not sure what you're trying to prove with that since we had multiple Link's and Mario's before in the past but oh well. :T

Not to mention the Zelda series have many people called Link but meh.

 

[aldelaro5]

:D
But there is only one Link! Just like how Paper Mario IS Mario.

true but as long as they feel different it's ok (when I played wind waker, even if I knew I was playing as link, it felt so much different in the design that it felt that I was not playing as the link we all know which make this game very awesome)

I never played spirit track but tbh, they feel different enought to not decrease toon link's chance

 

[Curious Villager]

ST Link decreases TWW/PH Link's chances as much as the R.O.B. enemies did to R.O.B. in Brawl.

Sakurai said that a child Link is important to him so even if Toon Link doesn't come back, it's likely that a different second Link would take over his place like Toon Link did to Young Link such as Young Link himself or Worlds Link. But seeing how they didn't bother to change TP Link into SS Link (Which implies they are likely going to keep the TP designs for at least the Triforce Trio) and how there is a Wind Waker HD coming up I wouldn't count Toon Link out of the game just yet.

You know, just to avoid making the same mistake everyone made with Ness and R.O.B. during Brawl....

IMO Toon Link's (or whatever second Link got planned) biggest obstacle is time since he's likely going to be a low priority character again.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Sakurai mentioned that he hasn't cut anyone purposely yet, so the Link on the Spirit Tracks stage isn't an indication of anything.