The Battle for Power! (Matchmaking & Video Thread)

jahkzheng · Feb 1, 2015

Guess I'll finally do this. After the tourney, I now officially feel "part of the group"...

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Knee Smasher · Feb 3, 2015

Here is a video showing an epic ending in a Ganondorf ditto I had with a friend:

ToonWaker · Feb 6, 2015

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Ray_Kalm · Feb 7, 2015

Updated the front page.

/Woops, apologies for the double post guys.

Ray_Kalm · Feb 7, 2015

Vermanubis said:
Matches are up from the tournament:

- vs. Shiny (Lucario)

Noticed you missed a lot of opportunities to kill out of flame choke against the Lucario. He gets hit by all 3 attacks and even a properly timed IDA.

When he was off stage, you should try clashing his recovery with UAir, it'll hit the Lucario before he grabs the ledge. And later on once he starts avoiding them by switching around and going on stage, predict that and get his laggy recovery. It's usually a 50:50 guessing game against Lucario from mid to high percentages off stage.

Vermanubis · Feb 7, 2015

Ray_Kalm said:
Noticed you missed a lot of opportunities to kill out of flame choke against the Lucario. He gets hit by all 3 attacks and even a properly timed IDA.

When he was off stage, you should try clashing his recovery with UAir, it'll hit the Lucario before he grabs the ledge. And later on once he starts avoiding them by switching around and going on stage, predict that and get his laggy recovery. It's usually a 50:50 guessing game against Lucario from mid to high percentages off stage.

I'm a bit confused. He teched 100% of the chokes (if not a full 100%, consistently enough that reading the one time he wasn't going to tech or miss the tech would've been impractical)

As for off-stage, that's certainly not a bad strat. I'll have to give it a go sometime.

Ray_Kalm · Feb 7, 2015

Vermanubis said:
I'm a bit confused. He teched 100% of the chokes (if not a full 100%, consistently enough that reading the one time he wasn't going to tech or miss the tech would've been impractical)

As for off-stage, that's certainly not a bad strat. I'll have to give it a go sometime.

That's true but regardless it's always better to throw out a threatening ftilt against such characters to apply pressure or KO.

For example, at 3:42 - 3:54 of the video a ftilt would have hit despite those techs, and ftilt is always a much better option than a stomp (seeing how dair is super slow and laggy, and it's also easier to kill from the side with Ganon this game).

Vermanubis · Feb 7, 2015

I did. Several times, in fact. =P (if not FTilt, then DTilt)

As for the stomps, fair enough. It was mostly for style points, but point taken.

Shmeckie · Feb 8, 2015

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Really looking forward to smashing with you fine folks here at the Ganon boards! I'll be free tomorrow evening if anyone wants a go!

Naroghin · Feb 8, 2015

Hey everybody, looking to better my Ganon skills. I also main (Dark)Link if anyone would like experience with that particular matchup.

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Vermanubis · Feb 8, 2015

You availabile on 3DS?

Man Li Gi · Feb 9, 2015

Tomorrow I'll be available finally.
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adom4 · Feb 9, 2015

Anyone up for a couple of matches?

Man Li Gi · Feb 9, 2015

adom4 said:
Anyone up for a couple of matches?

Maybe round 8 (CT)

adom4 · Feb 9, 2015

Man Li Gi said:
Maybe round 8 (CT)

Sorry, there's no way i'm gonna be awake at this hour.

Naroghin · Feb 9, 2015

Vermanubis said:
You availabile on 3DS?

If you're referring to me: unfortunately no, I do not own a 3ds. I only recently moved back from elitist PC-only gaming (read: too poor to afford multiple gaming media) to... anything else. Although Nintendo was the obvious platform, I had to choose between handheld and console gaming. I'll be sure to keep developing my Link in the event you obtain a WiiU. I'd like to be somewhat of a challenge, at least.

CannonGanon · Feb 10, 2015

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Always looking to better my Ganon. For Glory gets a little too... yeah.

CannonGanon · Feb 10, 2015

As well, I'd like to give you all the pleasure of viewing the best of Sm4sh Ledge Mechanics. I present: The Reverse Phantom ***** Slap

Opana · Feb 10, 2015

Round 1 Gungnir
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oulmypR57DM

Round 2 Gungnir
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sDGSt_q9pPc

jahkzheng · Feb 10, 2015

CannonGanon said:
As well, I'd like to give you all the pleasure of viewing the best of Sm4sh Ledge Mechanics. I present: The Reverse Phantom ***** Slap

Wow, that was a one hit kill....

I don't even know.

Opana said:
Round 1 Gungnir
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oulmypR57DM

Round 2 Gungnir
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sDGSt_q9pPc

This quality, heh. Opana and Gungnir play in a nebula underwater~

Good matches btw. Half the time I couldn't tell which you were, which is saying something to be confused with Gungnir at times. Certainly did better than me. I SD'd a stock in each of my two matches by accident.

adom4 · Feb 11, 2015

@

Vermanubis Any chance i can play against you again?
I feel like i've gotten a lot better since the last time we played.

Vermanubis · Feb 11, 2015

Sure, Adom. It'll have to be sometime this weekend though, since after tonight, I have to go into godlike mode to finish all of my homework.

Conda · Feb 11, 2015

Decided to make a Ganondorf episode for one of my Smash commentary series. Check it out:

Vermanubis · Feb 11, 2015

I actually have some unexpected free time if anyone wants to play.

@

Conda : Good analysis. That's something that's always been true about Ganon: he kind of does defy the tier list. He fluctuates too violently between a terror and target practice to really feel he belongs in a given spot.

adom4 · Feb 11, 2015

Vermanubis said:
I actually have some unexpected free time if anyone wants to play.

@ Conda : Good analysis. That's something that's always been true about Ganon: he kind of does defy the tier list. He fluctuates too violently between a terror and target practice to really feel he belongs in a given spot.

I'm down, can you host?

Vermanubis · Feb 11, 2015

Yep. I'll have a room up in a second.

adom4 · Feb 11, 2015

Vermanubis said:
Yep. I'll have a room up in a second.

GGs Verm, looks like i still got quite a lot to learn

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A shame about the lag though.

Vermanubis · Feb 11, 2015

GGs, Adom.

I can definitely see the improvements you've made since we last played. You've incorporated Aerudo a lot more into your game and your BAir spacing was nice and tight. But yeah, the lag hurt a bit. I guess it's to be expected, given that Israel is probably the single farthest place a person can be from where I am. =P

adom4 · Feb 11, 2015

Vermanubis said:
GGs, Adom.

I can definitely see the improvements you've made since we last played. You've incorporated Aerudo a lot more into your game and your BAir spacing was nice and tight. But yeah, the lag hurt a bit. I guess it's to be expected, given that Israel is probably the single farthest place a person can be from where I am. =P

I actually bought a LAN adapter for my Wii U because of stuff like this, it's really hard doing certain things if there is even a bit if input delay.

Shmeckie · Feb 12, 2015

I'm gonna be out of town for the weekend, but early next week I really wanna try and get in some matches with you folks. I wanna hone my skills against some seasoned players!

Vermanubis said:
@ Conda : Good analysis. That's something that's always been true about Ganon: he kind of does defy the tier list. He fluctuates too violently between a terror and target practice to really feel he belongs in a given spot.

I fully agree, which means he'll probably be averaged to about mid-tier. Ganon's the kind of character that people who don't want to take risks will gravitate away from for more simpler characters, since Ganon relies completely on the player rather than any exploitable tricks and such. But he's also the kind of character that can be scary to see enter a tournament; a player that confidently puts their skills behind Ganondorf must know something. Nothing's scarier than a Ganondorf who's patient, and has full control of the match. A character that player dependent and mindgame dependent is hard to rank.

Opana · Feb 12, 2015

Dabuz(A little old, both better now.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WCAtM-s9PFM

Gungnir(MUCH more watchable.) 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-fpnAkh13mQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XAMu01F04pQ

KOTH
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xUBvYR3cbck

For Glory
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AeVFzW_PO7I

Friendlies with Acid(He has definitely won the majority, only recently able to do well.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vGdZWrN7tp8

2 more uploading

Naroghin · Feb 12, 2015

Just a heads up: in that last one you spelled your name wrong.

Edit: But I must say, I'm really enjoying how your Ganon is shaping up. He's really fun to watch.

Opana · Feb 12, 2015

I realized shortly after posting but I'm too lazy to fix it lol.

Also thanks, I've been training a bunch and I'm trying to incorporate creative ideas, improvised like that bike or planned like that srage teck to uair(Acid goes for them a lot.).

I have two last ones here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lqvmtVEVpgs vs. FG Samus

An older game with Acid that was super close and intense
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aXP9ZQmS5yQ

Naroghin · Feb 12, 2015

The wizkick cancel to fade-away fair at the end of that last vid was just beautiful.

Opana · Feb 12, 2015

Naroghin said:
The wizkick cancel to fade-away fair at the end of that last vid was just beautiful.

One of the first times I earned a win without any sds.

Naroghin · Feb 12, 2015

I hear that! A big part of learning creativity is finding what is not viable, and finding out the hard way.

Opana · Feb 12, 2015

Naroghin said:
I hear that! A big part of learning creativity is finding what is not viable, and finding out the hard way.

https://m.youtube.com/user/AcidtoneX58

I meant him actually, he doesn't have to worry about sding much in friendlies so he chases very far, as did I actually, so neither sding is good. He rarely sds though, but the few times he did were my only chances for awhile.

Naroghin · Feb 13, 2015

Ah I see what you're saying. Better to earn those deaths than to have them given to you. Then again, baiting faulty edge guarding and capitalizing on your opponent's mistakes is a viable form of mindgame.

Opana · Feb 13, 2015

Naroghin said:
Ah I see what you're saying. Better to earn those deaths than to have them given to you. Then again, baiting faulty edge guarding and capitalizing on your opponent's mistakes is a viable form of mindgame.

I don't really consider those sds tbh, and I like to chase them for the kill lol.

Naroghin · Feb 13, 2015

I wouldn't either, but the game does (depending on when you touched them last).

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