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[*Cam*]

I want to know for sure who everyone has played against and won/lost this season. Kola, your list of that is incomplete. I really wish we had brackets for Resist II and pools from BBC.

I can tell you for sure my record this season. Maybe everyone else can do the same.

Wins:
2-0 M3t at AUSOM 3D
2-0 Janitor (x2) at Resist II and AUSOM 3D
2-0 Ryker (it may have been 2-1) at Resist II
2-1 Ebo (#6 in Pennsylvania) in pools at BBC
2-0 Mc-Killa at AUSOM 3D
2-0 Rawr in pools at BBC
2-0 Orange Mountain in pools at BBC
I also think there may have been one or two more unknowns I've beaten, but that's not too important.

Losses:
0-2 Saint at Resist II
0-2 George at Resist II
1-2 BigLou at AUSOM 3D
1-2 Billy at AUSOM 3D
0-2 Scatt in pools at BBC
0-2 MVD (x2) at BBC (pools then brackets)
1-2 H1N1 in pools at BBC
1-2 GDX in brackets at BBC

At first glance, I think the PR would look something like this:
Top 5
Reflex
Billy
Elev8 (tbh, I'm not sure what to do with Elev8 b/c of his AUSOM 3 performance)
George
Ragnarok

Top 5 feels pretty secure as to who is in it, but there may be a little switching around with the order. Bottom 5 is much harder to figure out.

Bottom 5
#6Slam
Slam is hard to place. He's gotten much more consistent since the January tournament and has gotten 5th twice, which is extremely good. He also managed to get out of pools at BBC, and that was not easy. Still, he got second to last in the two tournaments from January, Vulcan Gamebox and Resist II. That makes me uneasy about putting him here.

#7Cam
I think I've been pretty consistent this season. I haven't lost to anyone I shouldn't have lost to. You can look at my win/loss record above and see that I haven't lost to any unknowns or anyone in the bottom 5. I also got top 8 at the two in-state tournaments I went to (AUSOM 3 and Resist II). Slam almost always outplaces me or ties with me, so that's why I put him higher.

#8Spade
I would have put Spade at #7, but he didn't make it out of pools at BBC. He's gotten top 8 at the two in-state tournaments he went to. He's beaten Janitor and Cheap as well as every unranked player he's faced. However, he lost to Slam at AUSOM 3.

#9T1J
He's lost to several unranked players this season (Spade, Cam, Ryker), but he also always brings it back in losers to place well. Still, those losses would put him lower on the PR than he was. He's also beaten Cheap and Moogle this season, which is notable. I'm not sure what to say about him beating Elev8's Ness. He always makes top 10, but he rarely makes top 8 (the exception being the Iron Brawl). He's still much more consistent than anyone who is not in the 8 above him.

#10?
This is a toss-up if you ask me. We have some good players that are finally reaching their stride, but none of them are consistent. It's especially hard to tell when our tournaments are so small. Ryker, Cheap, and M3t are all pretty close together. I think Kola and Mahgnittoc have been too inactive for PR placement, otherwise they would almost definitely be on here somewhere.

 

[shaSLAM]

so lets look at the people we're looking at. ok ummmmm. i think top 6 should get gundams and their pilot and the last ones can just get stupid gundams or side charecters. im just going to put gudams with who i think fits who. im not making a list. ummmm ill use cams list because he has every considerable person. there isnt any black gundam people.... ill figure something out.

1. reflex has to be heero and wing zero. sorry. there is no resmeblance at all but he is the main charecter and i think you are always going to be stuck with the main charecter alias in these. wing zero sucks i know.

2. Billy ummmm whats that small guy's name again? lol no but i know that quetra and sandrock could be fitting. because he is rich as ****!!!

3. elev8 ok umm im going to have a toss up between heavy arms and wu fang. heavy arms because he is the most powerful and elev8 uses the most powerful and dangerous charecters. and also trowa is suppose to be like partners with heero or w/e i think. and elev8 is reflexs bro.
and then i choose wu fang because he has both long range and short range gundams and elev8 uses ddd (long range) and ic's (short range) so idk itd be up to him who he wants. both chars seem viable to me.
4. Geroge you get to be death scythe dog! he is comepteting close behind trowa and heero and he is also a close range gundam like kirby.
5. ragnarock ummmmmm you can either be trowa or wul fei

so i say we do a mobile suit g gundam vs. gundam wing type of thing like bottom 5 vs. top 5. i will try to match these gundam accordingly.
6. slam= MASTER GUNDAM because he is the strongest one and i am on top yeyeyeyeyeyeye
7.cam= Gundam rose because its about chivalry and honor and that just reminds me of cam for some reason lol idk what that is all about but it does remind me. its like a middle ages gundam
8. spade- dragon gundam because it is a well rounded gundam equipped with skills that could go up against any gundam and i feel like spades marth is like this. also marth is japanese and this gundam is too.
9. t1j- Gundam Maxter. this dudwe knows his politics and is american as ****. a bar fly, collecting action figures and talking about issues that affect us americans. so im going to go with Gundam Maxter
10. i will do one for all contestnats fighting for number 10 spot.
ryker- Bolt Gundam. matches rykers charecter choice of mk and falco and offensive playstyle. this gundam is about raw power
m3t- Gundam Spiegal. this dude is weird and wears a costume. gw is weird.
cheap- Noble Gundam. cheap is articulate, wel mannered, and noble as ****.


so there you go do you guys like it?

 

[Saki-]

Didn't we use Resist II for the final tournament before our last update?

Yes I need pool information for BBC. Outside of that the list is in fact complete.

I've tallied points. Here is the list via points

Reflex
Elev8
Billy
George
Ragnarok
Slam
Spade
Janitor
Cheap
Ryker

*minus BBC pools*

So now we have 3 lists to compare, discuss, and breakdown to reconstruct

I'll edit this after I read cam's post

 

[theONEjanitor]

sha slam should definitely be above me.

more detailed post in a minute

 

[theONEjanitor]

1. reflex obv.
2. billy ..i dont think anyone else can go here. he outplaces george and elev8 is iffy ya know
3. geo. i'm putting geo above elev8 cuz he actualy goes to tournaments
4. elev8. he needs to drop because the last al tournament he went to he got last. and didnt go to anything else. he did all right at BBC tho. i even considered putting rag above him
5. rag. again no one else can go here. he outplaces everyone else
6. slam. kid got 5th at the last two tournaments. and beat some AL ppl. doesnt lose to random foxes anymore. learned to gay it up with MK
7. cam. he does at least as well or better than me in tournaments and always beats me.
8. spade. beasting. places well.
9. theonejanitor. iono i get 7th or 9th everytime somehow even tho i lose a lot of alabama matchups
10. Ryker. he's good. will rise up with his gay falco once he stops getting bracket stomped. maybe cheap might have better tournament results not sure. ryker's better tho

no way cheap is above spade
this update is strange. we're so spread out and all like evenly matched lol.

 

[Saki-]

Top 5
Reflex
Billy
Elev8 (tbh, I'm not sure what to do with Elev8 b/c of his AUSOM 3 performance)
George
Ragnarok

Top 5 feels pretty secure as to who is in it, but there may be a little switching around with the order. Bottom 5 is much harder to figure out.

Elev8's performance wasn't enough to knock him down a spot imo. It'd be different if he was in fact showing poorer results frequently.

Bottom 5
#6Slam
Slam is hard to place. He's gotten much more consistent since the January tournament and has gotten 5th twice, which is extremely good. He also managed to get out of pools at BBC, and that was not easy. Still, he got second to last in the two tournaments from January, Vulcan Gamebox and Resist II. That makes me uneasy about putting him here.

Given the competition pool of this season and his results I'm pretty sure 6 fits him just right. Which is why I put him there in my list.

#7Cam
I think I've been pretty consistent this season. I haven't lost to anyone I shouldn't have lost to. You can look at my win/loss record above and see that I haven't lost to any unknowns or anyone in the bottom 5. I also got top 8 at the two in-state tournaments I went to (AUSOM 3 and Resist II). Slam almost always outplaces me or ties with me, so that's why I put him higher.

Pika Cam, I wasn't aware you were wanting to be on the list this season xD

Yeah man, we did Resist II on our last update so I really cant add it to statistics.

If I could get a list of everyones pool matches at BBC that could move a few things around. The only issue is that you haven't lost to anyone you shouldn't have, but you also haven't played people you could/should have beaten that are being picked for the upcoming PR list. Meaning I'd have to *cringe* make your placement a guestamate. I assume (I can't say I know because I haven't been active) that you're better than Slam. Your grasp of your character, general strategy, and experience proves it. If anything with the pool results I'd have enough to put you on the list, but with the data 7 looks iffy unless you'll be fine with me and the rest of the panel adjust without having hard evidence behind it. :3

#8Spade
I would have put Spade at #7, but he didn't make it out of pools at BBC. He's gotten top 8 at the two in-state tournaments he went to. He's beaten Janitor and Cheap as well as every unranked player he's faced. However, he lost to Slam at AUSOM 3.

Seems fair. I've got a feeling he wouldn't be able to consistently beat Cheap though. Perhaps even T1J /rant

#9T1J
He's lost to several unranked players this season (Spade, Cam, Ryker), but he also always brings it back in losers to place well. Still, those losses would put him lower on the PR than he was. He's also beaten Cheap and Moogle this season, which is notable. I'm not sure what to say about him beating Elev8's Ness. He always makes top 10, but he rarely makes top 8 (the exception being the Iron Brawl). He's still much more consistent than anyone who is not in the 8 above him.

I wouldn't say much about beating the Ness lol. Though when I think about it, what if it were Reflex? I'd assume we'd make a bigger deal about it. So in a way it could be notable.

I could agree with 9th for Janitor.

#10?
This is a toss-up if you ask me. We have some good players that are finally reaching their stride, but none of them are consistent. It's especially hard to tell when our tournaments are so small. Ryker, Cheap, and M3t are all pretty close together. I think Kola and Mahgnittoc have been too inactive for PR placement, otherwise they would almost definitely be on here somewhere.

Cheap has beaten more people, Ryker has given the drive. I'd leave M3t out of this since his results really can't bring much to the table.

In the end I think it's safe to assume this update will not be done statistically, we don't have the data. It's going to be done on assumptions of myself and the facts of the other panelists.

**** yeah bias!

 

[theONEjanitor]

yeah, if we're going to use that logic
slam and spade beat my Pit who i have never used in tournament before

SO WE SHOULDN'T REALLY COUNT IT M I RITE

 

[shaSLAM]

yeah as much as it sucks a loss is a loss.
ANY FEEDBACK ON MY GUNDAM PR THING? i like it but idk. lol

 

[theONEjanitor]

can we do something non weaboo this time

 

[*Cam*]

Elev8's performance wasn't enough to knock him down a spot imo. It'd be different if he was in fact showing poorer results frequently.

I don't know that Raf should get a free pass when he got LAST PLACE at AUSOM 3.

Given the competition pool of this season and his results I'm pretty sure 6 fits him just right. Which is why I put him there in my list.

6 seems right to me too, however, I want to look at which matches have gone down this season.

Pika Cam, I wasn't aware you were wanting to be on the list this season xD

Yeah man, we did Resist II on our last update so I really cant add it to statistics.

If I could get a list of everyones pool matches at BBC that could move a few things around. The only issue is that you haven't lost to anyone you shouldn't have, but you also haven't played people you could/should have beaten that are being picked for the upcoming PR list. Meaning I'd have to *cringe* make your placement a guestamate. I assume (I can't say I know because I haven't been active) that you're better than Slam. Your grasp of your character, general strategy, and experience proves it. If anything with the pool results I'd have enough to put you on the list, but with the data 7 looks iffy unless you'll be fine with me and the rest of the panel adjust without having hard evidence behind it. :3

I went a few months back tournament-wise because we haven't had many in-state tournaments recently to go on. If we don't go back to January, then we can talk about the Iron Brawl and AUSOM 3D. However, Iron Brawl's turnout was bad because of weather concerns; even Billy didn't go. BBC in GA last weekend didn't have much AL attendance either because of the tornado. Going back to January would add two in-state tournaments to the pot: Resist II and Vulcan Gamebox VII. On the last update in February we included AUSOM 2 in our considerations even though it was from October, so I figured it would be fine, and I personally would rather rely on actual tournament results than guesstimates. However, if I'm alone on this and you guys don't want to include the two January tournaments, then don't.

It's not that I have some secret desire to be on the PR, although I do care about what happens with it. Given the last few tournaments, I do think I should be on there, considering that there's not really a lot of people being considered for the bottom 5 who have better tournament results.

Also, it's really hard to get any info from BBC without looking at the pools. Even Kismet and Billy got 17th. The brackets were extremely competitive, which is why I was hoping through the honor system Spade and ShaSlam could tell us who they beat/lost to in pools. That reminds me, the Iron Brawl also had pools. I'm going to see if Ryan (Ingulit) can upload those.

Seems fair. I've got a feeling he wouldn't be able to consistently beat Cheap though. Perhaps even T1J /rant

I don't know what you're basing that on, considering you have never seen him play >.<

I wouldn't say much about beating the Ness lol. Though when I think about it, what if it were Reflex? I'd assume we'd make a bigger deal about it. So in a way it could be notable.

I could agree with 9th for Janitor.

I honestly don't know what to do with the Ness thing.

Cheap has beaten more people, Ryker has given the drive. I'd leave M3t out of this since his results really can't bring much to the table.

You're probably right about M3t. Beating Ragnarok would probably put Cheap over Ryker.

In the end I think it's safe to assume this update will not be done statistically, we don't have the data. It's going to be done on assumptions of myself and the facts of the other panelists.

**** yeah bias!

You may be right. I still think we can look at the two January tournaments though.

Please don't take my list as my final opinion, Kola. I want to look at more results. Wins/Losses matter more to me than place.

Slam: I don't really have an opinion on the Gundam thing because I don't know anything about Gundam.

 

[Saki-]

I added Gamebox though.

I used
Vulcan
Iron Brawl
Ausom 3D


Edit: Actually yeah, lets add Resist. So I can have my name on there update accurately on the new people being considered.

Or we could wait to see if Reflex's tournament is happening, but the update would be delayed until June.

 

[*Cam*]

I added Gamebox though.

I used
Vulcan
Iron Brawl
Ausom 3D


Edit: Actually yeah, lets add Resist. So I can have my name on there update accurately on the new people being considered.

Or we could wait to see if Reflex's tournament is happening, but the update would be delayed until June.

Yeah, I was about to say that Gamebox was before the last update too. Now if only we had brackets from Resist...

 

[Saki-]

oh damn Ryker can't provide those. He lost them because tio was being tarded.

 

[*Cam*]

oh damn Ryker can't provide those. He lost them because tio was being tarded.

Honor system? Let's piece it together.

I know I lost to Saint/George there and beat Ryker/Janitor.
I know that Janitor beat Aloha.
I remember Rag beating Kola, and George beating Rag.
I think Ryker lost to Ragnarok that tournament also. That's what I remember.

What do you remember?

 

[Saki-]

I remember beating eggroll, losing to Billy and Ragnarok.
Eggroll beat Slam (I remember that made me wtf because Slam could have so beat that guy)
M3T beat Cheap, M3t barely lost to saintkai.
Ragnarok beat that other MK guy

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

oh damn Ryker can't provide those. He lost them because tio was being tarded.

Actually, I could type them out except I upgraded to Windows 7 LAST WEEKEND.

As far as pools for Iron Brawl, I beat Ingulit and lost to George and Reflex.

___Ry__Ge__In__Re
Ry|___|0-2|2-0|0-2|
Ge|2-0|___|2-1|0-2?
In |0-2|1-2|___|0-2|
Re|2-0|2-0?|2-0|__|

Fairly certain that Reflex 2-0ed George, but I might be wrong and they started on Port Town.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Honor system? Let's piece it together.

I know I lost to Saint/George there and beat Ryker/Janitor.
I know that Janitor beat Aloha.
I remember Rag beating Kola, and George beating Rag.
I think Ryker lost to Ragnarok that tournament also. That's what I remember.

What do you remember?

I know I lost to Loser and Rag. I beat someone to get to Rag, IIRC, but do not remember who it was. Fairly sure it wasn't someone notable.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Also, changing my location to bracket ***** like a little girl.

 

[*Cam*]

Was loser the marth player?

EDIT: Nvm, he was the MK.

Here's this to help.

1. Reflex (Wario)
2. Kismet (Meta Knight)
3. Billy (Snake, Falco)
4. George (Kirby)
5. Ragnarok (Meta Knight)
5. Saint (Ice Climbers)
7. Kola (Marth)
7. Cam (Pikachu)
9. TheOneJanitor (Snake)
9. M3T (Mr. Game and Watch)
9. Eggroll (Marth, Snake)
9. Loser (Meta Knight)
13. CheapPeach (Peach)
13. Ryker (Falco)
13. Aloha (Olimar, Ice Climbers)
13. ShaSLAM (Meta Knight)
17. Skaterbaj (King Dedede)
17. Mankosuki (Kirby)

 

[theONEjanitor]

as resist 2 i lost to kismet and cam i'm pretty sure

 

[Saki-]

Oh thats right, I beat M3T. xD I remember now.

I'll use what we have and mess with tio. Maybe an image would help more.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I remember changing the brackets so I played Makosuki in the first round so he wouldn't have to play the guy he plays with all the time. I beat him, then lost to Loser, then beat someone, then lost to Rag.

Rag lost to Kismet in winners and George in loser's and doesn't remember anyone aside from me that he beat.

His pool at Iron Brawl was Slam, DaBomb, and a GnW player who wasn't M3t. He swept.

 

[Saki-]

Honor system? Let's piece it together.

I know I lost to Saint/George there and beat Ryker/Janitor.
I know that Janitor beat Aloha.
I remember Rag beating Kola, and George beating Rag.
I think Ryker lost to Ragnarok that tournament also. That's what I remember.

What do you remember?

I know I lost to Loser and Rag. I beat someone to get to Rag, IIRC, but do not remember who it was. Fairly sure it wasn't someone notable.

Edit: Inb4'd

Kk thanks guys I think this will be enough to create a rough image of the bracket. Brb while I do so

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

****, Cam's right, I played him in round two. I played Loser in Resist I in loser's bracket after losing to Lee Martin. I lost to two MK's that day.

And it was 2-1 because I was sooooooooooooooooooo close then you CGed me on the last stock and got the Thunder tech chase.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Damn good ninja, btw.

Calling M3t for his Resist results.

 

[*Cam*]

No Ryker, I remember us playing at a tournament this year, and it wasn't AUSOM 3. You were even saying that you always had to play me.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

M3T lost to Saint and Kola, he doesn't remember the order or who he beat.

 

[Saki-]

I distinctly remember Rag beating Loser. Also ty for that edit Ryker I was confused as **** because there would have been no way you and loser could have played with the results I remember lol


Edit: Ryker get on skype

 

[*Cam*]

If it helps, I'm pretty sure that Billy beat Saint in Loser's bracket.

 

[Saki-]

I've almost got the top bracket figured out since I was on the top part. One issue though, I don't think Ryker and Ragnarok played each other at Resist II.

Cam, if you've got a messenger or something I'd like your help too. I need to figure out who Billy beat 2nd round.

 

[shaSLAM]

gaaah guys, we used resist II and gamebox in the last update and they brought me down. why are these tournaments forever haunting me?

 

[*Cam*]

Lol, even though we generally agree that you are number 6 despite those tournaments?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Alright, I'll comment on the only real point of contention.


I'm not knocking T1J, but look at his wins and losses and compare them to me and Spade.

T1J's best win (not counting Elev8 Ness which throws a wrench into everything) is Ingulit which he's done twice. However his losses are to every single person on the way up. Cam, Spade, Slam, and I with one loss to Kismet and Rag thrown in.

My best win is T1J, but I have fewer because I didn't get to go as far in brackets. However, my loss list is Mahg (he outplayed me at Gamebox and I thank him for it because it gave me the drive to work my *** off afterwards), then Elev8, Rag, Rag, M2K, Kismet, and (if you count Resist) Rag and Cam.

Spade's best win is T1J or Cheap (I dunno who's ranked higher), and he lost to Billy, Slam, Reflex, and Rag.

What I'm getting at is that there's a choice here. True, T1J has more wins than either of us, but he also has more stunning losses and not as impressive a best win is about the same as Spade or I.

Brackets are powerful things and I don't know how everyone else takes them into consideration.

 

[*Cam*]

Ryker or Kola, I'm on skype.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Got you, Cam.

 

[theONEjanitor]

if we're adding resist and gamebox its debatable wehther ingulit is a "better" win than aloha, whom I beat at resist2
at any rate, cheap is a "better" win than both of them since he's ranked, and I beat him at gamebox

i think its safe to say that spade is going to be ranked higher than me in the update
but spades accomplishments far outweigh rykers. the only person I lost to that I haven't already acknowledged should be ranked higher than me is Ryker. Ive already conceded to the idea that tournament results are the main decider, otherwise my list would be mad different. but in that case I dont think you can justify putting ryker above me just yet, even tho he has a win over me

i also dont think its fair to just count the match with elev8 as a 'free win'. one of the reasons that slam is going to rise int he update is because he placed well at ausom 3d. well one of the reasons he placed well was a win over elev8 in the winners bracket.

i can bust out a secondary in tournament and get treated equally as if i were using a main but elev8 does it and its a "free win" that doesn't get considered? maybe i should have purposely lost all my matches with pit, then people wouldn't have considered my losses at that tournament and i wouldn't drop in the rankings.

at one of zeros old tournaments I took a round off of reflex's link, because of gay stuff with sheik. and if he didn't switch to trainer there's a good chance I could have taken the set. would that not have 'counted' since he was playing link?

 

[Saki-]

 

[*Cam*]

I don't think T1J should be taken off. He's more consistent than those who would replace him. I also don't think Elev8's Ness was a free win. Yet, I don't feel like we should consider it the same as beating his ICs.

 

[shaSLAM]

yeah what im saying about elev8's ness is that it is still elev8 playing him. his ness is like really pretty good, regardless.

i just kind of stand by the fact that nothing on the PR or PR discusion should be charecter biased. if we want to we can like throw this whole entire thing off the ****ing tracks, moving me down because i use mk. moving janitor up because pika is a weird matchup for snake. idk these are just other examples of char. biasing that dont really make much sense. the important thing should always remain wins and losses. not any of the technicalities. we've never really taken them into consideration other than this. like, ryker got bracket ***** and we are like "kbye cu next update." idk. i just dont think technicalities really matter. its just elev8 made a dumb choice and its throwing off the pr and we gotta accept that elev8 mind ****ed us all up on this one lool

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Is the PR a case of who is better or a case of who has better tourney placings (which is different from results)? If the former, then you have to take into account technicalities and bull****. If the latter, then you have no business with conjecture and you look at straight point system.