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Saki-
Reset Project
Oh yeah
Would you guys like something like this
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj215/alice_death/Project Dairantou/dairantou.jpg
Or something like this
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5537/uaacopy.jpg
Or multiple pokemon siggies combined together using sprite graphic art
Would you guys like something like this
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj215/alice_death/Project Dairantou/dairantou.jpg
Or something like this
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5537/uaacopy.jpg
Or multiple pokemon siggies combined together using sprite graphic art
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Smash Ace
Entirely up to you Kola. Whatever you think looks better :D
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
Sheild helps against Meta Knight.
It will not save you from Ghandi.
It will not save you from Ghandi.
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Smash Ace
lol @ Ghandi pacifist mk.
The problem with shielding against mk is that mk forces ppl to shield more than any character in the game (threat of nado, extremely fast tilts, glide attack, dair, fair, etc.). By forcing shields, mk gets easy grabs, which lead to mk getting big % leads/gimps (back throw to dairs/shuttle loop, dthrow combos, etc.)
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Smash Ace
nado destroys spot dodge. mk just has options and priority that the rest of the cast doesn't.
*Cam*
Smash Lord
Or, if you're Raf, you could just grab MK three times to take the match >.<
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Smash Ace
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Probably the biggest reason i picked up ice climbers
*Cam*
Smash Lord
Ice Climbers are the bane of my existence. It's the only matchup that I would consider switching characters to deal with.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Probably the biggest reason i picked up ice climbers
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The more you learn about how to deal with his moveset instead of defaulting to shielding all the time, the better off you'll be in the long run.
*Cam*
Smash Lord
This. MK eats shields.
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Smash Ace
This truly is not a bad idea. If ppl played more diverse characters, Ice climbers would have more trouble (competitively speaking). Characters like Pit, Peach, Yoshi, and Lucas are seldom used characters that can hold their own against ICs.
*Cam*
Smash Lord
Well, there's something to be said for wanting to be able to handle every matchup with your favorite character, but I get your point.
dude true that peach is a **** to grab much less play against
Saki-
Reset Project
I just can't get into Pit like I used to, or else I'd try sub maining him.
Don't complain about painful grabs.
_Keno_
Smash Lord
Its a 65:35 match-up, dont complain.
However, I have recently gotten so much better at melee that my brawl skills are likely to have received a heavy boost as well. My floated aerials Oos are too fast. =D
Also, I like brawl peach more than melee peach, despite her being much worse.
*Cam*
Smash Lord
Oh yeah, I wanted to tell you, Dan mains Peach now. I swear, nothing she does has lag if you autocancel it correctly. She's crazy good ('cept for those "awesome" kill movesIts a 65:35 match-up, dont complain.
However, I have recently gotten so much better at melee that my brawl skills are likely to have received a heavy boost as well. My floated aerials Oos are too fast. =D
Also, I like brawl peach more than melee peach, despite her being much worse.
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theONEjanitor
Smash Champion
kola second one is good. but have it make sense. Florida's picture is ******** and confusing. that one you posted is really cool.
@MK
a good mk is tough. and i couldnt tell you how to deal with it.
but you guys lose to scrubby MKs that spam dsmash and tornado. its not 2008 anymore yo. here's how you deal with tornado. shield. here's how you deal with d-smash. shield. don't roll around. and learn what metaknight can do. learn his dash grab range, and learn his dash attack range. grab him.
also play snake and kill him at 95%
or play IC's shrug
also don't go to tournaments where stalling isn't banned.
@MK
a good mk is tough. and i couldnt tell you how to deal with it.
but you guys lose to scrubby MKs that spam dsmash and tornado. its not 2008 anymore yo. here's how you deal with tornado. shield. here's how you deal with d-smash. shield. don't roll around. and learn what metaknight can do. learn his dash grab range, and learn his dash attack range. grab him.
also play snake and kill him at 95%
or play IC's shrug
also don't go to tournaments where stalling isn't banned.
theONEjanitor
Smash Champion
me too. i think solely because of F-air. i mean fair is good in melee, but i like the timing of it in brawl as related to brawl physics.
also peach requires patience to fight against.
characters like peach exemplify the competitive depth of brawl that people swear doesn't exist.
peach autocancels fair. WHAT DO YOU DO. her slap comes out before everything you do for most character. if you tried to shield grab, you will get slapped. but what if you bait the slap? then peach will have to think of other things to do. like grab. or roll. then WHAT DO YOU DO. if she rolls, you can probably punish it on reaction. if she grabs you're taking damage. peach's seem to rarely grab in this situation because good players never try to shield grab fairs anymore unless their poorly spaced. but its an options. she could even opt to retreating short hop nair or sommin crazy like that. OR she just auto cancel fair and immediately float again.
its like paper rock scissors except with 15 choices instead of 3.
You spam lasers and hold a pocket MK for his CP. That's what you do.
That made me laugh.
*Cam*
Smash Lord
Wait, what scrubby MKs are we losing to again? All the MKs sprouting up in AL are at the very least decent. I haven't seen any winning tournaments that are just spamming dsmash and tornado. Did I miss something?
I don't know, I wouldn't shield too much against even a decent MK. I mean, I guess if you have grenades to pull out and punish Metaknight for attacking your shield, then it works, but otherwise MK will eat your shield with tilts and tornado (or he'll just grab you). Maybe I'm just biased because Pikachu has a super small shield?
And yeah, I agree, don't roll around. Rolling is terribad.
I think you mainly have to be patient against MK in order to win. Patience is something I've noticed the professional players have that we amateur players lack. Also, it's good to know where and how to punish his shuttle loop. It's like the most predictable thing Metaknight players do because they think they won't be punished for it.
Stalling is really dumb with Metaknight, especially on stages like smashville where he can stall under the stage and forward B to either side at the last second. I believe over half the cast can't do anything about it. I wish there was a clear way to identify stalling, but there's not. Sometimes it's really obvious, but sometimes it isn't. If I retreat to get a better position, that could look like stalling. Camping could look like stalling too. I mean, what if I'm facing ICs and I refuse to get close to them? I think that could be construed as stalling.
this is why most brawl players suck at this game.
@cam if snake players pull out grenades to keep you from attacking shield, grab. puts snake in air. punish accordingly.
i agree with janitor but i see alot of other areas in brawl that are like paper rock scissors with 30 options. theres like alot.
idk what to say as far as playing against mk goes. just do it right. go offensive at times but just do it the right way. that doesnt really help but idk. there is def a million wrong ways to play brawl and people use all of them.
*Cam*
Smash Lord
Why do you say that?
Well, there's definitely going to be a punishment for every course of action. I'm just saying that if a Metaknight likes to pressure your shield a lot, you can pull out grenades to punish him.
i say that because instead of figuring out theory and gameplay,brawl players tend to say "ehh ill just spam and camp more and i should win right?" or "oh man im not winning, k ill go mk"
and then get upset at the game when neither of these tactics work.
spamming/camping/picking a different charecter for a cp will not win you a match against a good player but brawl players have been saying this for years.
and then get upset at the game when neither of these tactics work.
spamming/camping/picking a different charecter for a cp will not win you a match against a good player but brawl players have been saying this for years.
oh yeah only the first part was directed twords you. i was just sayin that i figured out i can grab the snake and b throw or u throw if they pull out a grenade and i happy bout that :D
*Cam*
Smash Lord
Says the guy who switched his main to MK? Lol. I'm just kidding. I know you are saying that picking MK isn't an auto-win.
I think you are stereotyping the brawl community. I don't know where this idea came from that the brawl community is just a bunch of whining scrubs, but it's not true. If it is true, and the brawl community is made up of scrubs, then point all these people out. It shouldn't be that hard if the scrubs make up most of the community.
Camping could certainly win you a match. Watch Kismet play against Dynomite and tell me that his camping isn't working. It may seem lame, but it is a good strategy. Counterpicking is also a legitimate way to win a match, especially if you are facing a terrible matchup with your main (i.e. Fox vs Pikachu). Unintelligent spamming won't win you a match against a good player, but smart spamming will if you use the right move. Who was it that used like 75 tornadoes against Ally and won? I forget who did that, but they were all well placed tornadoes and it won him the match.
It works. Why would I play the match-up in a way I have to be close to Peach if I'm Falco. I could win close range. It's easier and safer to camp and camp and camp. I have a pocket MK because I don't want to play on Brinstar or Rainbow Cruise with Falco. Tell me why what I'm doing is wrong?
Playing MK when the skill gap between my characters does not outweigh the difference it makes playing on that stage is the logical course of action. IIRC, Kismet is playing MK now as are you because you think it'll improve your chances.
You're complaints don't make sense.
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what i mean when i say this is that purely camping or spamming or just cping charecters will not.
if you are skilled then this helps. well i would say it helps to be patient, not camp. but basically im just saying i think brawl players sepnd way too much time trying to cp **** and not enough time worrying about spacing/game tech and outplaying others.
if you are skilled then this helps. well i would say it helps to be patient, not camp. but basically im just saying i think brawl players sepnd way too much time trying to cp **** and not enough time worrying about spacing/game tech and outplaying others.
and also im trying to say that i think its neccesary to adjust and not just go from side to side of the stage spamming lazers and im saying that i dont know why everyone encourages this course of action because it will get punished if this is your main and only strategy.
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Smash Ace
So, when is the new op going up?
when we getting pogemon picccccs???????!!!!
also i am not saying you guys suck or calling you scrubs or insinuating that but yall know that cuz yall havent gotten mad at me yet
just speaking by and large of the brawl community (mostly from online experiance have you)
also i am not saying you guys suck or calling you scrubs or insinuating that but yall know that cuz yall havent gotten mad at me yet
just speaking by and large of the brawl community (mostly from online experiance have you)
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