The 2GGC: Civil War Discussion Thread

[ShadowGuy1]

My the way Fatality is playing, I think he might just win this.

 

[Nu~]

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>When you try your absolute best to downplay T and Fatality's success

 

[Ethan7]

Just came on the stream and see Falcon in finals.

LOL!

Also Link in top 3

 

[JayE]

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>When you try your absolute best to downplay T and Fatality's success

yeah I didn't like Anti's tweet... He's just mad he wasn't even at Top 8, maybe. T and Fatality played amazing and they earned their wins. I always say: Give credit where credit is due!!

 

[Betatech]

And Dabuz with a 3-1

such a close set, i genuinely could never tell who was going to win each game (exception being game 4) but props to dabuz, and they both played amazingly

 

[NotLiquid]

In the end we all lost cause we had to watch Dabuz pop off

 

[Minordeth]

Daaaaamn. Dabuz adjusted too quickly for Fatality. Not sure what he could do against Rosa. Dabuz was not letting him act at all.

 

[Twizman]

He deserves this so much.

 

[JB333]

Good job Dabuz... I guess he did deserve it

 

[Mr. Johan]

Ready for those Rosa nerfs in Switch Smash?

#BillTrinnenApproved

 

[Aaron1997]

So has won the last 2 major's after everyone was calling her overrated trash. What did Rosa players change?

 

[JayE]

Congrats to Dabuz. He earned it winning the most stacked Smash 4 tournament so far. Still, Fatality played super super well up until grands, he just ran out of gas. I feel like he would have had a better chance if he came from winners. Dabuz takes Civil War. What a freaking tournament, this will be one to remember

 

[ShadowGuy1]

#JinxingToGetThePersonYouWantToWinHYPE


Now watch the entire Competetive discussion thread downgrade Dabuz's win.

 

[Betatech]

zack still has time to dance even when the games are done lol

 

[Minordeth]

So has won the last 2 major's after everyone was calling her overrated trash. What did Rosa players change?

Changing the script to get rid of Zero and Nairo early?

 

[JayE]

#JinxingToGetThePersonYouWantToWinHYPE


Now watch the entire Competetive discussion thread downgrade Dabuz's win.

No one should downgrade Dabuz, he won the most stacked Smash 4 tournament ever. Admittedly I would have loved to see Fatality take it over him but I gotta give credit where credit is due.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

No one should downgrade Dabuz, he won the most stacked Smash 4 tournament ever. Admittedly I would have loved to see Fatality take it over him but I gotta give credit where credit is due.

Exactly but it's gonna happen cause people want to complain about something .

Also @DasKoopa you should do the top 49 because this was stacked as all hell(for your rankings)

 

[JayE]

Also reminder that Grand Finals had both Dabuz and Fatality for #TeamAlly.

 

[David Viran]

If it wa marss instead of Zack it'd be easy since Fatality's manhandled marss befopre

They are 1-1 in sets and last time they played, Marss won.

 

[Lord Dio]

Fly Society made the best decision possible when they got Fatality. That man is brutal, and I love it. But, that stage spike game 4....ouch, you'd have to be able to see into the future in order to be ready for that, just came out of nowhere.
Good stuff to Dabuz though. After FPS2, he'd want to prove that he's still the best rosa around, and this did it.

They are 1-1 in sets and last time they played, Marss won.

BH6, right? Just off a guess, forgot to watch it, but Fatality manhandled Marss at smash Con. Hence why at the time I was under the impression it'd be easier than fighting zack.

 

[Nu~]

It's very bracket dependant too

But yeah rage makes this game super RNG sometimes lol

Still hype for the viewers 👀 https://t.co/gmHqleWaY1

— BKROG | Ramin (@Mr_RSmash) March 27, 2017

Aight, these top players are pissing me off.

How are you gonna cry when people call your cloud a pocket, then proceed to discredit the incredible wins we saw today from an unconventional top 8?
These comments would be nowhere in sight if the usual crew were in top 8.

Even if they wanna say "I didn't say that"...you still kinda discredited them. RNG implies that a player can't control the outcome. Rage and RNG are not the same thing at all.

Y'all wouldn't be saying this is ZeRo won again would you?

 

[Ark of Silence101]

Ok, now that singles is out of the way, when is the main event Civil War gonna start?

 

[NairWizard]

Today's tournament was a very good showing of what happens when you remove the neutral-oppressive ZeRo and his Diddy Kong from the equation.

Amazing stuff. Kind of wish ZeRo would retire to Melee and let these kinds of things happen more often.

* controversial opinion *

 

[Yonder]

Today's tournament was a very good showing of what happens when you remove the neutral-oppressive ZeRo and his Diddy Kong from the equation.

Amazing stuff. Kind of wish ZeRo would retire to Melee and let these kinds of things happen more often.

* controversial opinion *

Or retire from working in his early 20s(?) And somehow manage, this game is his main source of income lol. I don't think he really has a presence in Melee and it would be hell to catch up now after so many years.

 

[Ziodyne 21]

It's very bracket dependant too

But yeah rage makes this game super RNG sometimes lol

Still hype for the viewers 👀 https://t.co/gmHqleWaY1

— BKROG | Ramin (@Mr_RSmash) March 27, 2017

Aight, these top players are pissing me off.

How are you gonna cry when people call your cloud a pocket, then proceed to discredit the incredible wins we saw today from an unconventional top 8?
These comments would be nowhere in sight if the usual crew were in top 8.

Even if they wanna say "I didn't say that"...you still kinda discredited them. RNG implies that a player can't control the outcome. Rage and RNG are not the same thing at all.

Y'all wouldn't be saying this is ZeRo won again would you?

Mr. R has always been someone who lived by his dominance and control of the neutral in this game. Imagine losing to two Players who used characters with playstyles that say.. Well screw the neutral game, it doesn't matter how much you control It. All I need is just one opening or conversion to take your stocks away.

I can imagine it being a bit demoralizing for Mr.R at least,

 

[Gawain]

Gone with the wind

 

[NotLiquid]

ZeRo first?

Wait why

 

[Nu~]

Mr. R has always been someone who lived by his dominance and control of the neutral in this game. Imagine losing to two Players who used characters with playstyles that say.. Well screw thr neutral game, it doesn't matter how much you control It. All I need is just one opening or conversion to take your stocks away.

I can imagine it being a bit demoralizing for him,

Oh no, I get that. But when you spread that negativity to said players you lost to?

That's what I don't get or like.

 

[ZSaberLink]

All I have to say is we'll see how players like T, Fatality, Hikaru, etc. do going forward. If anything, it goes to show a lot of characters are fairly viable. What top players clearly do is adapt like crazy to stay at the top. That's what Zero, Nairo, Ally, etc. typically do and that's why we see them placing well again and again.

I look forward to seeing what the new blood does next. And as a Link main, congrats to T on getting third!

 

[Ziodyne 21]

Oh no, I get that. But when you spread that negativity to said players you lost to?

That's what I don't get or like.

Yea I understand ya loud and clear on that

No "Congratulations guy's " or "Amazing job on showing what these characters can really do in the competive meta" to T or Fatality.

Just "This game is so jank and bracket luck dependant so anyone can do really well lolz"

 

[ZSaberLink]

Oh no, I get that. But when you spread that negativity to said players you lost to?

That's what I don't get or like.

From Mr. R:
"People love assuming stuff and putting words in top players' mouths when they make a broad statement."

I don't think he was pinpointing any particular person or even saying anything in particular about his performance. However, without more context it does come across that way. Like for example, he mentioned that it's not really fair to compare his final standing and Void's, because Void had a really tough bracket in pools and then ran into Anti early on and lost.

 

[NairWizard]

Just came back to this site to say that the, uh, "competitive insight and analysis" thread can suck an egg with their circlejerky and incorrect analysis of this game. Echochambers don't help with anything.

hey now

I've been saying that Falcon is amazing since the game released in that thread

psh


Roy still sucks tho

 

[Nu~]

From Mr. R:
"People love assuming stuff and putting words in top players' mouths when they make a broad statement."

I don't think he was pinpointing any particular person or even saying anything in particular about his performance. However, without more context it does come across that way. Like for example, he mentioned that it's not really fair to compare his final standing and Void's, because Void had a really tough bracket in pools and then ran into Anti early on and lost.

Surely he must see how that can come off, no? It takes no genius to see the implications of that post.

Instead of any congratulations or praise for T, Fatality, or HIKARU, he talks about how "RNG" the game is. I agree that brackets play a large role (because this cast is so well balanced...not due to RNG) but crying about rage directly after an unconvential top 8 is ew.

 

[ZSaberLink]

Surely he must see how that can come off, no? It takes no genius to see the implications of that post.

Instead of any congratulations or praise, he talks about how "RNG" the game is. I agree that brackets play a large role (because this cast is so well balanced...not due to RNG) but crying about rage directly after an unconvential top 8 is ew.

I totally agree and am not a fan of it either. I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt since I'd rather be positive about it.

FOW went and posted a Rosa absorbing Ness's UpB as a response xD.

 

[Nu~]

I totally agree and am not a fan of it either. I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt since I'd rather be positive about it.

FOW went and posted a Rosa absorbing Ness's UpB as a response xD.

FOW's ego, you mean

 

[ARISTOS]

Man this was something else.

 

[David Viran]

Fly Society made the best decision possible when they got Fatality. That man is brutal, and I love it. But, that stage spike game 4....ouch, you'd have to be able to see into the future in order to be ready for that, just came out of nowhere.
Good stuff to Dabuz though. After FPS2, he'd want to prove that he's still the best rosa around, and this did it.

BH6, right? Just off a guess, forgot to watch it, but Fatality manhandled Marss at smash Con. Hence why at the time I was under the impression it'd be easier than fighting zack.

I don't remember the exact tournament he won and can't check because I'm at work but let's pretend for a second that the set never happened and Fatality was up 1-0. That still would not mean it is a free win for him now because one set is not a pattern.

 

[Garo]

Loving EE and Gunblade's commentary on the crews. This is what I'm here for.

 

[Minordeth]

I love all this talk about RNG or whatever, and two things stand out:

1.) Dabuz never dropped a set/dropped out of winners.

2.) Emblem Lord and Pierce are right - this game is about pushing your advantage when you get the opportunity. It's why the Top 8 was so skewed towards heavy hitting or advantage-heavy characters.

It's also why when Nairo uncharacteristically didn't push against Fatality, he lost. It's also apparently becoming the "New Rosa" meta. Look at Dabuz and Kirihara - they were relentless in advantage. Game 4 of GF was basically hyper aggro Rosa. Dabuz capitalized on almost every opportunity he had.

It's not just winning at neutral. Smash 4 is about what you make of your neutral wins.

 

[Lord Dio]

Apparently ANTi vs Zinoto isn't a thing any more? ZeRo went out first????