That's right - Meowth for Smash Switch

[WaddleKing]

never seem to be far away from team rocket in the games though, funny how a characters own popularity doesnt seem to always reflect their smash demand popularity

If a popular voice of reason or person brought up the concept of Meowth/TR for Smash more, trust me, it would definitely catch on. That's the only reason some cases like Geno even have any considerations. Sadly it's kind of luck based.

 

[Arcadenik]

We love seeing all our Trainer's creativity from #TeamRocketRedraw! 😍

Have you redrawn the nefarious trio? Drop your masterpieces, Trainers! 👇👇 pic.twitter.com/aT3JPaZpWc

— Pokémon (@Pokemon) May 28, 2020

A Team Rocket redraw event seems to be going around, it's nice to see all the TR love.

So where are the Team Rocket redrawings in Smash?

The closest we got to that was this fan art.

 

[WaddleKing]

So where are the Team Rocket redrawings in Smash?

The closest we got to that was this fan art.

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Well there is this too.

https://cherooshi.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F185715818332
Feel like besides the Miis, the best chars to rep each would be: James: Marth. Jessie: Grey ZSS maybe? Meowth: Isabelle or Toon Link. Wobbuffet: Blue Kirby.

 

[fogbadge]

If a popular voice of reason or person brought up the concept of Meowth/TR for Smash more, trust me, it would definitely catch on. That's the only reason some cases like Geno even have any considerations. Sadly it's kind of luck based.

certainly seems to be pure luck

 

[WaddleKing]

Here's something really cool that's been found:

First look update 25.06

Sync Pairs: 4
Lucy & Seviper
Serena & Fokko
Morty & Drifblim
Jessie & Arbok ⭐⭐⭐

Grid: Hilda, Koga, Lucy

Update soon!#pokemonmasters

— 👁️‍🗨️ Absol-utely 🔍 (@absolutelypm) June 25, 2020

Spoiler: Jessie's model

More proof on how Meowth and TR have expanded beyond the anime just like Pikachu unlike what naysayers may say (and even they did say they look at the anime for reference for Smash too).

 

[fogbadge]

Here's something really cool that's been found:

First look update 25.06

Sync Pairs: 4
Lucy & Seviper
Serena & Fokko
Morty & Drifblim
Jessie & Arbok ⭐⭐⭐

Grid: Hilda, Koga, Lucy

Update soon!#pokemonmasters

— 👁️‍🗨️ Absol-utely 🔍 (@absolutelypm) June 25, 2020

Spoiler: Jessie's model

More proof on how Meowth and TR have expanded beyond the anime just like Pikachu unlike what naysayers may say (and even they did say they look at the anime for reference for Smash too).

and more proof that theyre stuck in the past

 

[WaddleKing]

and more proof that theyre stuck in the past

I assume you mean naysayer's mindset right? I'd say it was never justified given some of the hypocrisy with a lot of what they say.

Also more stuff:

Spoiler: Pokemon Masters Things

 

[fogbadge]

I assume you mean naysayer's mindset right? I'd say it was never justified given some of the hypocrisy with a lot of what they say.

i was referencing the fact that jessie hasnt had arbok for years, its been longer without than with

 

[WaddleKing]

i was referencing the fact that jessie hasnt had arbok for years, its been longer without than with

To be fair Jessie has been changing Pokemon too much to have a consistent one anymore (besides Wobbuffet), I'd assume they did it to match James' Weezing.

Makes me wonder if TR Meowth will accompany in some way, how would he be? With a generic TR Grunt or just by himself?

 

[fogbadge]

To be fair Jessie has been changing Pokemon too much to have a consistent one anymore (besides Wobbuffet), I'd assume they did it to match James' Weezing.

but that was kind of my point, shes had a fair number of pokemon, why not change it up for once

 

[WaddleKing]

but that was kind of my point, shes had a fair number of pokemon, why not change it up for once

Ironically Seviper has technically been on her team for a longer amount of time than Arbok has before being sent to HQ. I think Mimikyu could fit really well I suppose. My favorite of James' Pokemon is Mime Jr. but a different one might be more fitting.

I think they generally just chose those though for how iconically associated to them they are, alongside Wobbuffet of course though he's more due to his long term stay in the team.

 

[fogbadge]

Ironically Seviper has technically been on her team for a longer amount of time than Arbok has before being sent to HQ. I think Mimikyu could fit really well I suppose. My favorite of James' Pokemon is Mime Jr. but a different one might be more fitting.

I think they generally just chose those though for how iconically associated to them they are, alongside Wobbuffet of course though he's more due to his long term stay in the team.

yeah if anything wobuffets long term status really should make him her signature pokemon, i suppose he wouldnt work in masters

 

[pupNapoleon]

certainly seems to be pure luck

There is, I'm sure, a level of ability to analyze the stupidity of our own community.

...That just won't come from me.

 

[Arcadenik]

Wait... am I understanding this correctly?
Jessie and James just made their fourth video game appearance in Pokémon Masters?

1. Pokémon Yellow
2. Pokémon Puzzle League
3. Pokémon Let’s Go Pikachu / Eevee
4. Pokémon Masters

This just further cements my belief that if Jessie and James actually got in Smash as Pokémon Trainers, they would have used Ekans and Koffing (or Arbok and Weezing) and Meowth.

 

[WaddleKing]

Wait... am I understanding this correctly?
Jessie and James just made their fourth video game appearance in Pokémon Masters?

1. Pokémon Yellow
2. Pokémon Puzzle League
3. Pokémon Let’s Go Pikachu / Eevee
4. Pokémon Masters

This just further cements my belief that if Jessie and James actually got in Smash as Pokémon Trainers, they would have used Ekans and Koffing (or Arbok and Weezing) and Meowth.

But wait, it gets better.

News:

*Special Event Double Trouble will introduce James, Meowth,bShiny Celebi and Time Travel issue.

*Team Rocket have same voice actors from Anime, Meowth too.#TeamRocket #pokemonmasters #Multiverse pic.twitter.com/K0C5BoQfLg

— 👁️‍🗨️ Absol-utely 🔍 (@absolutelypm) June 26, 2020

 

[pupNapoleon]

Ironically Seviper has technically been on her team for a longer amount of time than Arbok has before being sent to HQ. I think Mimikyu could fit really well I suppose. My favorite of James' Pokemon is Mime Jr. but a different one might be more fitting.

I think they generally just chose those though for how iconically associated to them they are, alongside Wobbuffet of course though he's more due to his long term stay in the team.

I thought Jessie's Arbok and James' Weezing both escaped with Young Ekans and Koffing who were being poached by a dude named Rico...
I mean I know the name Rico, it's a really specific memory.

 

[fogbadge]

I thought Jessie's Arbok and James' Weezing both escaped with Young Ekans and Koffing who were being poached by a dude named Rico...
I mean I know the name Rico, it's a really specific memory.

they did but there are a lot of people who cant let go gen 1

 

[WaddleKing]

Well Arbok and Weezing have been referenced a lot compared to the rest + have appeared in few more material with the rest of the tr mons (in a non plot setting though).

To be fair though, they sadly haven't even went back to the mons they left at HQ besides Wobbuffet, I miss Mime Jr.

Also some more goodies

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The cut off at the end bothers me, please let Meowth actually talk, or at least fight properly if not.

 

[Arcadenik]

The cut off at the end bothers me, please let Meowth actually talk, or at least fight properly if not.

I’m still disappointed about Meowth not being able to talk and battle in Pokémon Let’s Go. I mean, you were able to battle Meowth in Pokémon Yellow... why not Pokémon Let’s Go too?

They made Jessie and James and Team Rocket Meowth canon... now they need to make talking and battling Meowth canon.

 

[WaddleKing]

Great news, he finally speaks like in Pokemon Channel.

 

[Arcadenik]

Great news, he finally speaks like in Pokemon Channel.

Finally! Talking Meowth is canon now!

 

[fogbadge]

Finally! Talking Meowth is canon now!

i doubt masters is canon

 

[WaddleKing]

i doubt masters is canon

I feel like Pokemon has had way too many different alternative realities for there to be much of a single canon to go by anyway personally, but even then, if this is meant to be the Jessie and James from the upcoming M23 (which is set it in an alternate reality from the regular anime series) appearing into this world given it's with a promotional event related to that movie, that would make it questionable on why they would use Arbok and Weezing respectively.

Though it could just be they own them but have yet to use them in the alternate reality movies.

 

[fogbadge]

I feel like Pokemon has had way too many different alternative realities for there to be much of a single canon to go by anyway personally, but even then, if this is meant to be the Jessie and James from the upcoming M23 (which is set it in an alternate reality from the regular anime series) appearing into this world given it's with a promotional event related to that movie, that would make it questionable on why they would use Arbok and Weezing respectively.

Though it could just be they own them but have yet to use them in the alternate reality movies.

im of the thinking that GF are bothered by canon

 

[Arcadenik]

im of the thinking that GF are bothered by canon

Either way, Jessie and James are popular enough that Game Freak / Pokémon Company took notice and put them in Pokémon video games.

All I can do is keep supporting Meowth and spreading the “Meowth, Ekans, and Koffing team” idea on social media.

I want Jessie, James, and Meowth to appear in more Pokémon video games so they would be relevant on the video game side in addition to the anime side.

I don’t give a F about the anime origin or the “too many Gen 1” complaint. All I want is Meowth even if it means having to break the anime origin rule with Jessie and James and face the “too many Gen 1” backlash.

 

[fogbadge]

Either way, Jessie and James are popular enough that Game Freak / Pokémon Company took notice and put them in Pokémon video games.

All I can do is keep supporting Meowth and spreading the “Meowth, Ekans, and Koffing team” idea on social media.

I want Jessie, James, and Meowth to appear in more Pokémon video games so they would be relevant on the video game side in addition to the anime side.

I don’t give a F about the anime origin or the “too many Gen 1” complaint. All I want is Meowth even if it means having to break the anime origin rule with Jessie and James and face the “too many Gen 1” backlash.

as much as id prefer to move on from team rocket as a whole i would mind jessie and james sticking around even after 20 years im still not tired of their comic relief

 

[WaddleKing]

Either way, Jessie and James are popular enough that Game Freak / Pokémon Company took notice and put them in Pokémon video games.

All I can do is keep supporting Meowth and spreading the “Meowth, Ekans, and Koffing team” idea on social media.

I want Jessie, James, and Meowth to appear in more Pokémon video games so they would be relevant on the video game side in addition to the anime side.

I don’t give a F about the anime origin or the “too many Gen 1” complaint. All I want is Meowth even if it means having to break the anime origin rule with Jessie and James and face the “too many Gen 1” backlash.

The anime rule was never even in the context of properties that started off as video games, people just miss the point the series they mentioned in those interviews are ones that aren't even owned by Nintendo + didn't start off as one therefore being irrelevant to their cases.

 

[fogbadge]

The anime rule was never even in the context of properties that started off as video games, people just miss the point the series they mentioned in those interviews are ones that aren't even owned by Nintendo + didn't start off as one therefore being irrelevant to their cases.

well to be fair after 20 or so years of smash the only anime stuff weve had from pokemon is subjective at best

 

[Arcadenik]

well to be fair after 20 or so years of smash the only anime stuff weve had from pokemon is subjective at best

We had Meowth’s Party trophy in Melee. That was the Meowth from the anime. Nothing subjective about that.

Meowth in other Smash games is likely a generic Meowth.

 

[GoodGrief741]

well to be fair after 20 or so years of smash the only anime stuff weve had from pokemon is subjective at best

Aside from what Arcadenik said, Ash in the Melee intro and Ash-Greninja in Ultimate isn't anime enough?

 

[Pokelego999]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ar2jfQX-rM
This is why Team Rocket is great.

 

[Arcadenik]

Aside from what Arcadenik said, Ash in the Melee intro and Ash-Greninja in Ultimate isn't anime enough?

This. And if you want something subjective...

Palutena’s Guidance with Pokémon Trainer has Pit calling Red/Leaf a twerp. To me, this is a reference to the anime where Jessie and James always called Ash and his friends “twerps”. Ash is based on Red too.

Speaking of which... imagine how awesome Palutena’s Guidance with Jessie and James could be. Maybe they could do their motto!

 

[Perkilator]

Aside from what Arcadenik said, Ash in the Melee intro and Ash-Greninja in Ultimate isn't anime enough?

I didn’t see Ash in the Melee intro. Where’s he, again?

 

[Arcadenik]

I didn’t see Ash in the Melee intro. Where’s he, again?

I think he meant the Smash 64 intro.

Look at the shoes. It looks very similar to Ash’s shoes in the original series.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I think he meant the Smash 64 intro.

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Look at the shoes. It looks very similar to Ash’s shoes in the original series.

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Oh yeah that's what I was thinking about, my bad.

 

[fogbadge]

We had Meowth’s Party trophy in Melee. That was the Meowth from the anime. Nothing subjective about that.

Meowth in other Smash games is likely a generic Meowth.

to be fair thats based on a tech demo for a game that was never made

Aside from what Arcadenik said, Ash in the Melee intro and Ash-Greninja in Ultimate isn't anime enough?

in my defence i always forget about that

 

[Arcadenik]

to be fair thats based on a tech demo for a game that was never made

And? It’s still the Meowth from the anime.

 

[WaddleKing]

It's more or less subtly done, we've had talking Meowths before which are obviously based off the TR Meowth but don't outright get called out as Team Rocket (and in the Melee trophy's case he's called an it) like in Pokemon Channel and so on.

I don't think you have to worry for a strict canon much, especially for Smash which tends to do algamation for a bunch of characters at once anyway, like how ZSS has different things and traits from different games + some new original things all at once, Ridley is based off multiple different incarnations, Sheik and so on. Or how Lucario talks like in its debut movie yet also gets treated like a regular Lucario in its trophy descriptions.

 

[fogbadge]

And? It’s still the Meowth from the anime.

alright alright, geez

 

[pupNapoleon]

I don’t give a F about the anime origin or the “too many Gen 1” complaint. All I want is Meowth even if it means having to break the anime origin rule with Jessie and James and face the “too many Gen 1” backlash.

I think it's silly to focus on what generation a Pokemon comes from, given that some stay relevant and renewed for ...well forever.
Jigglypuff is surely just a gen 1 pokemon, but the original starters are in almost every generation as a means of a gift, often even in the story (gen 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6 all give them to you in story).

But I also think that a Team Rocket without a Wobbuffet would be ridiculous.

Aside from what Arcadenik said, Ash in the Melee intro and Ash-Greninja in Ultimate isn't anime enough?

I just rewatched the Melee intro three times... there isn't a human character from Pokemon at all. Please explain to me where specifically you think you saw Ash in Melee.
For that matter, please show me where Ash Greninja is in Smash. Is it a spirit? It is definitely *not* a costume for Greninja.

That said- some definite anime references:
Goldeen being useless in a Pokeball, instead of Magikarp, is a reference to the anime.
Pikachu's down B is a reference to Pikachu capturing the thunder from a cloud in the anime in the second or so episode (as thunder was never from a cloud before that point).