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well yeah thats what techo demos usually are
I was more meaning in the general assumptions I've seen saying "It was nothing more than just a tech demo to showcase the GC's capabilities" despite the lack of information to confirm either thing, and there being some evidence suggesting it might have been planned as its own project.
Apologies if I miss understood what you meant though.

On the topic of a Meowth game, a Team Rocket focused game or even DLC now with Meowth as the mascot would be splendid.
 
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I was more meaning in the general assumptions I've seen saying "It was nothing more than just a tech demo to showcase the GC's capabilities" despite the lack of information to confirm either thing, and there being some evidence suggesting it might have been planned as its own project.
Apologies if I miss understood what you meant though.
dont worry about i misunderstand people all the time
 

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I think Meowth’s partner in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon DX will be Skitty. I will have a cat team.

I’m wondering if PMD DX is only one game, not two versions like the original GBA and DS versions.

What were the differences between Red Team and Blue Team versions?
 
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I think Meowth’s partner in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon DX will be Skitty. I will have a cat team.

I’m wondering if PMD DX is only one game, not two versions like the original GBA and DS versions.

What were the differences between Red Team and Blue Team versions?
You can't pick Skitty due to both being Normal types, and the game not allowing you to pick two of the same types like in the original I believe.

Aside from Blue being on the DS and Red being on GBA (so some different compressed tracks and dual screen differences for the ds), mainly version exclusives Pokemon.


It's that time where we fantasize about Meowth being announced as playable, like how he would with boss fantasies.
 
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You can't pick Skitty due to both being Normal types, and the game not allowing you to pick two of the same types like in the original I believe.
Oh, that sucks. I thought Skitty was retconned to be Fairy type like Jigglypuff and Gardevoir were. Oh well.

Guess I’ll pick Pikachu or Chikorita (my starter in Gold) or Torchic (my starter in Sapphire) as Meowth’s partner.

The lack of Meowth in Super Mystery Dungeon for the 3DS was the main reason why I didn’t get it. That and the only non-starter Pokémon were Pikachu and Lucario Riolu. That’s it?

So yeah, it looks like Pokémon Mystery Dungeon DX will be my first PMD game.

Anyway, I see that there will be an announcement for DLC Fighter #5 on Thursday. I noticed that Sakurai is holding up three fingers... so I wonder if Sakurai will be announcing three characters (Fighter #5 and two post-Fighter Pass fighters)...

Fantasy Time! The three fingers are a hint that Team Rocket Trio might be getting in! :awesome:
 

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So... there is a second Fighter Pass with 6 more fighters.

Sakurai said he already decided on them... but that won’t stop me from hoping and dreaming that Meowth & Team Rocket will one day get in Smash as a playable fighter instead of as a Pokéball summon and a Mii costume.
 
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So... there is a second Fighter Pass with 6 more fighters.

Sakurai said he already decided on them... but that won’t stop me from hoping and dreaming that Meowth & Team Rocket will one day get in Smash as a playable fighter instead of as a Pokéball summon and a Mii costume.
First TR Mii costumes were shown and now Rabbids? I'd like to believe...but I'll keep my expectations cautiously. It'd be perfect though.

And agreed, I'd really love to see more activity in this thread as well as just more sociability across the net about Meowth in Smash, more Youtube videos on the topic ect (Isaac thread has a bunch of interactions despite being an AT role atm). Sadly I don't have much to showcase myself atm.

Though since we've gone long past the base game launch and Meowth's Pokeball interactions have largely just been mainly ports since Brawl (meaning they never spent much effort into Meowth in Smash past that), hopefully this means they didn't put him out of the running. Galarian and Alolan Meowth make no appearances at all, compared to Vulpix which got both its forms as some.
 
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There is a difference between hoping/dreaming and expecting.

I also wish to see more people requesting for Meowth... but alas... all we can do is continue showing Nintendo/Pokémon Company/Sakurai our support for Meowth.

I wish to see Meowth being treated as a mascot in Pokémon games and merchandise like Pokémon Company usually do with Pikachu, Eevee, the Kanto starters, and Mewtwo.

Meowth & Team Rocket appearing in Let’s Go was a good start but I hope they will continue making appearances in future Pokémon games, whether they are main games or spin-off games.

So far, the Pokémon Company have given Meowth potential alternate costumes (Alolan and Galarian forms) and a potential Final Smash (Gigantamax Meowth). But what about a fighting style? Meowth needs something that would catch Sakurai’s eye. Meowth, as a stand alone Pokémon, have not caught Sakurai’s eye.

That is why I started suggesting the whole Meowth & Team Rocket idea where Meowth would team up with Ekans and Koffing (or Arbok and Weezing). That is also why I started asking for Jessie and James to appear in more Pokémon games... hopefully a Team Rocket spin-off game... so Meowth would have more stuff from the games to build a Smash moveset instead of using the anime mechas and Wobbuffet (I would use them to build a Smash moveset if they become canon in the games). At the very least, Jessie and James are canon now.
 
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I wish to see Meowth being treated as a mascot in Pokémon games and merchandise like Pokémon Company usually do with Pikachu, Eevee, the Kanto starters, and Mewtwo.
He kind of already is, at least as much as Mewtwo. For the record, Meowth and Eevee both have more cards than Charizard, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo and Lucario.
Example: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Meowth_(TCG)
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Charizard_(TCG)

People just undermine his value there. He may not be the spotlight as much as them when he's around marketing, but he is more recurring than them there I'd say even.

I'd still really like to see him as the mascot for a villain focused game though.
 
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People just undermine his value there. He may not be the spotlight as much as them when he's around marketing, but he is more recurring than them there I'd say even.
I am probably guilty of underestimating Meowth’s value too. I guess it is because it feels like it is rare for Meowth to be in the spotlight.

What is this “spotlight” we speak of? To me, it is the following:
  • Used to announce new features in new games (examples: Alolan Meowth and Gigantamax Meowth; please note that Nintendo did not announce Galarian Meowth like they did with Alolan Meowth)
  • Used to get people interested in new games (examples: Team Rocket in Pokémon Let’s Go)
  • To a lesser extent, main roles in spin-off games (examples: Meowth in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon DX)

I learned that recurring =/= being in the spotlight. For example, look at Toad in Mario series. He is one of the most recurring characters in Mario games but he gets to be in the spotlight when he is a main character in a main game or has his own spin-off game.
 
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I am probably guilty of underestimating Meowth’s value too. I guess it is because it feels like it is rare for Meowth to be in the spotlight.

What is this “spotlight” we speak of? To me, it is the following:
  • Used to announce new features in new games (examples: Alolan Meowth and Gigantamax Meowth; please note that Nintendo did not announce Galarian Meowth like they did with Alolan Meowth)
  • Used to get people interested in new games (examples: Team Rocket in Pokémon Let’s Go)
  • To a lesser extent, main roles in spin-off games (examples: Meowth in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon DX)

I learned that recurring =/= being in the spotlight. For example, look at Toad in Mario series. He is one of the most recurring characters in Mario games but he gets to be in the spotlight when he is a main character in a main game or has his own spin-off game.
Well it isn't exactly as if he's not been made the spotlight: He has a fair amount of events https://www.serebii.net/events/dex/052.shtml + if you recall things like the Meowth's Party Promotion around gen 2-3, the Team Rocket Takeover event, being one of the only non starter mons to be a mascot for a Pokemon Center (Okasa) and generally things like that that give him some focus.



it's just rather inconsistenly done with him (sometimes being in things a lot of fans wouldn't have noticed). Though honestly considering people undermine Eevee's value a fair amount too who is being the spotlight in recent times, I definitely do still think people undermine his as well.

I think they have a lot of potential to play around with his rivalry with Pikachu even further than they already have, they have a clear longtime recurring rival with the mascot of the series, there's so much they could do with it.
It bothers me Pikachu is one of the only original 8 characters left to not have a rival.
 
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I know this has slim to no chances at actually being a thing, but I've always wanted a second Trainer-type fighter with three Poke'mon at his disposal, either based on a standard Team Rocket goon or Giovanni. I'm sure Meowth could be one of them. My dream line up for it always included Nidoking as the final one (equal to trainer's Charizard).
 
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I know this has slim to no chances at actually being a thing, but I've always wanted a second Trainer-type fighter with three Poke'mon at his disposal, either based on a standard Team Rocket goon or Giovanni. I'm sure Meowth could be one of them. My dream line up for it always included Nidoking as the final one (equal to trainer's Charizard).
If Giovanni is the Trainer Nidoking would definitely be there, normally Persian should too but Persian over Meowth as playable would be pretty wrong. So an exception would need to be made.
Meowth would probably fit best with a goon/Jessie and James if with any though. Personally I still like the suggested idea of using Arbok and Weezing as mechanics and Wobbuffet as a move most though.
 

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It bothers me Pikachu is one of the only original 8 characters left to not have a rival.
Right? And it isn’t like Eevee has a long storied rivalry with Pikachu like Meowth does.

And then there is Team Rocket, the most recurring and prolific criminal organization in the series. They would be objectively the best choice to rival Pokémon Trainer in Smash.

Meowth & Team Rocket would have given the Pokémon series a true villain.

I don’t believe that Team Rocket Mii costume is what Sakurai had in mind for Team Rocket. He has to know that Mii Brawler is not what Team Rocket is. Team Rocket Grunts, including Jessie and James, are Pokémon Trainers. Pokémon Trainers don’t fight directly. They send out their Pokémon to do the fighting. :052::023::109:

Seeing those Meowth’s Party pictures... :(

We could have gotten a Meowth’s Party sequel or even a remake for the Switch if it was a real game for the GameCube.
 
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Right? And it isn’t like Eevee has a long storied rivalry with Pikachu like Meowth does.

And then there is Team Rocket, the most recurring and prolific criminal organization in the series. They would be objectively the best choice to rival Pokémon Trainer in Smash..
I don't consider Eevee a rival as much as a counterpart to Pikachu. A rival for Pikachu is more along the lines of: Meowth, Mimikyu and Raichu. Pokemon he's had beefs with.

I've seen some people say "Mewtwo fills the role of a rival" but he definitely doesn't, and if it's with anyone it's definitely not Pikachu, it's with Pokemon Trainer given their history in the series with them. Although I'd still say giving a rival to the face of the series is pretty important. :pikachu:
 
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