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Out of curiosity, have you ever played Devil May Cry, Megaman, Street Fighter, Viewtiful Joe, Ace Attorney, Resident Evil, Darkstalkers, Marvel vs Capcom, or Dead Rising?

And if you have played any games from these series, did you enjoy them?
I have played all 6 DMC games and love them to death. Except 3. That turd can shove it.

Never touched a Mega Man but 11 looks really fun.

Played USFIV and SFV and I enjoy them, even if they’re not my favorite fighting games.

Played UMvC3 and MvCI. I had more fun with Infinite and I enjoy the series. Even if it’s not my favorite.

Have never played Ace Attorney, Viewtiful Joe, Resident Evil, Darkstalkers, or Dead Rising. I might try them out some day (not RE though. I don’t liked to be spooked). But I have nothing against them.

That’s the whole thing. I don’t hate any of these characters or the games they come from. I just want the choices from each company to be balanced.
 

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Here's a list of all 3rd oarty characters that I think are possible

Companies already on board
Resident Evil Character (Capcom)
Phoenix Wright (Capcom)
Chin-li/Akuma (Capcom)
Bill/Lance (Konami)
Frogger (Konami, long shot)
Bimmy/Jimmy (Taito via Square)
Final Fantasy 7 character (Square)
Neku (Square)
Crono (Square)
Geno (Square)
Sora (Square/Disney)
Master Chief (Microsoft)
Steve Minecraft (Mojang via Microsoft)
Jonah Dark (Rare via Microsoft, very long shot, based of the fact she also got new merch like Banjo & Kazooie did)
Fulgore (Rare Via Microsoft)
Heihatchi (Namco)

New Companies
Professor Layon (Level 5)
That cat Yokai (Level 5)
Crash Bandicoot (Activision)
Spyro the Dragon (Activision)
Ryu Hyabusa (Ninja Gaiden/ Dead or Alive, Koei Tecmo)
Shantae (Shantae, Wayforward)
Rayman (Rayman, Ubisoft)
Dragonborn (Skrim, Bethesda)
Doom Slayer/Doom Guy (Doom, ID Softworks)
Scorpion/Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat!, Warner Brothers)

Did I miss any?
You forgot one:

- Keanu Reeves (Cyberpunk 2077, CD Projekt Red)
 

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Only Crash Bandicoot is left for me.
I have total faith in Crash. Crash and a second Namco character.

In fact, here, this is how unbiased I am in this prediction, I actually despise Dark Souls. I hate the gameplay and fantasy worlds do nothing for me. But Dark Souls makes the most sense as a second character from Namco so I bring it up.
 

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The first party I want?



As if it was any less obvious.

Andy's the one character who would literally make me "never ask Sakurai for anything again" as the meme goes. And as a fan of this franchise for 15 years it would be another dream come true similar to Banjo. Only on a much larger scale.
 
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isn't it better to look at the characters as, like

characters?

i don't give a rat's *** if banjo comes from microsoft or square enix or nintendo themselves so long as he's fun to play and makes a lot of people happy by being in. the thought of which third party owns what barely even crosses my mind beyond the initial announcement.
ding ding ding

I don't give a damn about Dragon Quest at all other than the Toriyama designs. I'm still excited for Hero though, because he looks fun.

Obviously if I had the choice between a fun character and a character I wanted I'd choose the latter, but as long as the character is fun I don't mind either way. Incineroar was a prime example of this from the base roster.

I still don't think Reggie meant anything specific when he made that comment, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Regarding a second fighter pass happening though, I just don't see it happening. Regardless of how much money it makes, Nintendo usually doesn't double-dip. What they've revealed so far is probably all they have planned, and since Sakurai prefers working on new games instead of fixing old ones, I don't think they'll fight him for it.
Yeah it is Nintendo after all, they seem very DLC averse at times. I feel like if Nintendo insisted Sakurai would do it (As shown by all the Smash games he comes back to), the question is if they will or not. I could see it going either way really.
 

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Because what company they come from is important. It’s about balance.
Now hold up, Thanos.

Not favoring any one company over any other, except obviously Nintendo. It’s theming. It’s consistency. It’s not being predictable.
I don't think Sakurai sees it as favoring one over the other. The guy just looks at a character's potential and position in gaming before adding said character, I assume. The only way I see him looking at companies is him specifically preferring the one's that are easier to work with like for example Japanese publishers.

Another Capcom character would be soooooo boring. We already have 3 for Pete sake. Give someone else some attention.
Considering Capcom has a lot of IPs in vastly different genres I fail to see how all of them would be "boring".
 
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I have played all 6 DMC games and love them to death. Except 3. That turd can shove it.

Never touched a Mega Man but 11 looks really fun.

Played USFIV and SFV and I enjoy them, even if they’re not my favorite fighting games.

Played UMvC3 and MvCI. I had more fun with Infinite and I enjoy the series. Even if it’s not my favorite.

Have never played Ace Attorney, Viewtiful Joe, Resident Evil, Darkstalkers, or Dead Rising. I might try them out some day (not RE though. I don’t liked to be spooked). But I have nothing against them.

That’s the whole thing. I don’t hate any of these characters or the games they come from. I just want the choices from each company to be balanced.
Well at least you played some series.

Can't say I agree eith your mindset if balance means withholding great series from coming to Smash Bros, but we'll agree to disagree. You seem open to it happening anyway so no reason for me to continue.
 
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My dream first party picks are Adeleine, Mach Rider, Pauline, Elma and Dixie Kong.
 

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It’s too hard. And it’s not rewarding when you win the fights.
???

You didn't get far into this game, didn't you?

Because I can't see you saying this, while then saying DMC2 was a rewarding experience.

That, or you played the original version, where hard mode is normal mode. Which was a problem, yeah, but all the new version have the difficulty properly balanced, so no excuse on that front.
 

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Give me anything from DK, Zelda, Kirby, or Pokemon and I'll be a happy camper. I feel like those franchises are still missing a few good additions.

Speaking of Pokemon though, Gen 8 isn't out of the realm of possibility. I could see Nintendo dropping a Pokemon reveal in a fall Direct that gives us more info on Sword and Shield.

Well it shouldn’t. Fire Emblem is lower down on the Nintendo tier list. It hasn’t been around as long and isn’t as popular. It needs to be proportional so each franchise is represented to scale and no series is made out to be more important than it actually is.
I agree and disagree at the same time.

Because the main characters always change, FE has a much larger cast of characters to choose from when compared to Zelda. It's only natural Sakurai would want to add FE characters - they're just really easy and obvious additions, like Pokemon.

However, what I don't understand is why Sakurai isn't going to greater lengths to add more Zelda reps when the franchise is so popular. If the franchise was bare like Metroid in terms of realizable characters, I'd be more understanding, but he's passed up plenty of unique options that would've made a lot of fans happy.
 
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I have played all 6 DMC games and love them to death. Except 3. That turd can shove it.

Never touched a Mega Man but 11 looks really fun.

Played USFIV and SFV and I enjoy them, even if they’re not my favorite fighting games.

Played UMvC3 and MvCI. I had more fun with Infinite and I enjoy the series. Even if it’s not my favorite.

Have never played Ace Attorney, Viewtiful Joe, Resident Evil, Darkstalkers, or Dead Rising. I might try them out some day (not RE though. I don’t liked to be spooked). But I have nothing against them.

That’s the whole thing. I don’t hate any of these characters or the games they come from. I just want the choices from each company to be balanced.
Excuse me DMC3 is the turd and not 2? I know it's difficulty curve is hella steep and Gold Mode should have been the default but goddamn
 

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lance can eat my shorts cause i just cruised through half this game
 
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Y'know, it kinda stinks how none of the first-parties are likely to be a topic of conversation in this thread. I usually enjoy those more than anything, but I feel like everyone is closing themselves off to stictly third-parties.
For better or worse that just seems to be where the Fighter's Pass is going now that all 3 of the characters we have from it so far are third parties.
Plus, what first parties can we really talk about? Most of the discourse has shifted to Edelgard and a gen 8 Pokemon now that it seems like Spirits deconfirm characters, and that pretty much only leaves a few fringe picks that haven't really been touched on and probably aren't likely anyway.
 

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Characters shouldn't be restricted by their companies. It shouldn't matter that a company has more characters than another. These characters should be in because they and their franchises are beloved. And that's part of the reason why the 3rd Parties were chosen. Because they and their franchises were loved by many. And Capcom and Namco have Many franchises and characters who are beloved by the gaming community.
 

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Now that we have Dragon Quest in Smash I’m really hoping we get a Resident Evil character. It’s the biggest Japanese video game franchise to not have a playable character, and arguably the last major Japanese video game franchise to not have any representation in Smash whatsoever. I think you could do a lot awesome stuff with an RE character, and I have some ideas I would like to share.

I like the idea of an RE character having an inventory of items that you can navigate with down special, and use said item with neutral special. It would mainly be weapons like a handgun, a shotgun, a grenade launcher, etc., but also items like herbs to heal yourself with. Each weapon has a limited amount of ammo, and you only have a couple herbs (you will get your items back after being K.O.d). Basically the items are really powerful, but to balance it out not only are they are limited use, but the character would also have some of the worst all around mobility in the game. You’re goal is to survive while managing your items, just like in Resident Evil!

I think Jill would suit this idea the best, because she hasn’t been depicted as some sort of action hero like Chris and Leon lol, plus having a female character in the fighters pass would be nice. I also had the idea of side special having a zombie crawl out of the ground (you would need to be on the ground for this to work) and it would slowly chase after the closest opponent. If it reaches you it will grab onto you and deal minimal damage. The zombie can be killed if you can deal enough damage to it, Jill would also be able to damage the zombie, so she can’t shoot at the opponent through the zombie. Her regular attacks would mainly consist of the hunters knife. I had a couple ideas for up special, but they are kind of dumb lol; does anyone have any good ideas for what their up special could be?
 

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The first parties that I want are Kamek, Grovyle, and any Kirby character.

The third parties I want are X, Maxwell, and any Undertale rep.

it must be fun, having the characters you want being possible.
 

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The only semi-realistic character I want is Crash, and even then I only expect him next game. The first party characters I'd still like are Skull Kid, Black Knight and Porky, but they're all extremely unlikely, maybe Skull Kid has a chance in future games, but I don't think the other two will ever happen, I was really happy Black Knight even got to be an AT. After those there are a few characters that I think would be neat, like Bandana Dee, Ryu Hayabusa and Agumon, but they're not characters I dream of seeing, and it's likely I'd only play them sporadically in casual matches.

I honestly haven't thought much about what I personally want since Ridley got announced, ever since then I've been more hopeful on other fanbases' behalf than my own. I was really happy to see K. Rool and Banjo, even if I had no relation to them myself, I just like these big moments for speculation, and to see a lot of the good people around here be happy also makes me happy. If you gave me the opportunity to pick any one character to make it into Smash next, I'd probably go with Geno or Isaac, because even if I barely know them outside of what Smash speculation has taught me about them, I know their inclusions would mean a hell of a lot more to their fans than any personal wish would for me at this stage.
 
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Here's a list of all 3rd party characters that I think are possible

Companies already on board
Resident Evil Character (Capcom)
Phoenix Wright (Capcom)
Chin-li/Akuma (Capcom)
Bill/Lance (Konami)
Frogger (Konami, long shot)
Bimmy/Jimmy (Taito via Square)
Final Fantasy 7 character (Square)
Neku (Square)
Crono (Square)
Geno (Square)
Sora (Square/Disney)
Master Chief (Microsoft)
Steve Minecraft (Mojang via Microsoft)
Jonah Dark (Rare via Microsoft, very long shot, based of the fact she also got new merch like Banjo & Kazooie did)
Fulgore (Rare Via Microsoft)
Heihatchi (Namco)

New Companies
Professor Layon (Level 5)
That cat Yokai (Level 5)
Crash Bandicoot (Activision)
Spyro the Dragon (Activision)
Ryu Hyabusa (Ninja Gaiden/ Dead or Alive, Koei Tecmo)
Shantae (Shantae, Wayforward)
Rayman (Rayman, Ubisoft)
Dragonborn (Skrim, Bethesda)
Doom Slayer/Doom Guy (Doom, ID Softworks)
Scorpion/Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat!, Warner Brothers)

Did I miss any?
You forgot Rabbids. Sora and Chief got disconfirmed as Datne and Travis Touchdown did. You should either keep them all or remove them all. Same position. Good otherwise. Only for 3rd parties, right? There might be others, of course. But those all look right to me. The cat yokai is named Jinbanyan, btw.
 

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The first parties that I want are Kamek, Grovyle, and any Kirby character.

The third parties I want are X, Maxwell, and any Undertale rep.

it must be fun, having the characters you want being possible.
At this point, everything seems both possible and impossible at the same time.

I don't know what to expect anymore.
 

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The first parties that I want are Kamek, Grovyle, and any Kirby character.

The third parties I want are X, Maxwell, and any Undertale rep.

it must be fun, having the characters you want being possible.
Yeah, tell me about it.

Because all of my picks have ok-ish chance or none at all.

Being a Xeno fan is suffering.
 
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You forgot Rabbids. Sora and Chief got disconfirmed as Datne and Travis Touchdown did. You should either keep them all or remove them all. Same position. Good otherwise.
rabbid mario bout to be the sleeper-hit newcomer with kirkhope kicking down the door

 

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Apparently Sw/Sh only passes 1,000 Pokemon when including forms (for whatever reason they decided to include forms as if they're separate Pokemon), but I'm sure we'll still get a good amount of new 'mons, just not as much as we thought. Sorry if this was discussed already.

For first-parties I want, I'd really like Skull Kid, Gengar, and a Mother character; either Giygas (Mother 1), Ninten or Porky, mostly Porky or Ninten. I'd also like the Chorus Kids; I haven't played Rhythm Heaven but I like their design and what I've watched of their "Glee Club" minigame.
 
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You forgot Rabbids. Sora and Chief got disconfirmed as Datne and Travis Touchdown did. You should either keep them all or remove them all. Same position. Good otherwise.
Didn't hear about the Chief or Travis ones, can you link them?
 

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Didn't hear about the Chief or Travis ones, can you link them?
Oh, lordy, that'd take forever. What I can say though, is that Frank and 343 both said stuff on the subject, that Chief isn't part of the current fighter's pass.

You'll have to give me a while, as I got someone visiting soon. >.<
 

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Oh, lordy, that'd take forever. What I can say though, is that Frank and 343 both said stuff on the subject, that Chief isn't part of the current fighter's pass.

You'll have to give me a while, as I got someone visiting soon. >.<
Fair enough. I'll update the last later, see if anyone else has input.
 

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Here's the thing with this Capcom and "over-representing" of each company: That's not how they're actually chosen.

It's not as if Sakurai says, "Hm. I really need to pick a character from Capcom/SEGA/Konami/Namco/Square Enix". Sakurai has picked characters from other companies based on demand and gaming legacy.

Sonic was picked because he was arguably the most requested character for Brawl, especially after Snake got in.

He’s also ****ing Sonic the Hedgehog.

The only reason Snake was added anyway was because one of his friends asked nicely. Mega Man got in from requests, and the fact that he’s ****ing Mega Man. Ryu is Mr. Fighting Games, Ken is an easy echo and is arguably just as much of an icon as Ryu. Castlevania is a classic Konami title, and sits alongside Metroid as incredibly influential games. Bayonetta was likely picked through a combination of requests, convenient timing, and having assets to easily make her. Joker was probably a Sakurai pick, Dragon Quest is not only a massive legacy pick, but was highly requested. Banjo-Kazooie was a long time extended family member of the Nintendo family, which fans have requested for nearly two decades.

Pac-Man is, well, ****ing Pac-Man.

There's no indication it has anything to do with the companies they come from. it just so happens that the biggest icons in gaming come from the same companies, if you ask me. If this were the case, then wouldn't each 3rd party addition be balanced with another one simply to equate them? At base roster, only Konami and Capcom were equal, having 3 each. SEGA had 2,

In addition, if we're looking at "3rd party companies being equal", that's literally not possible at this point without an additional fighter pass. For Namco to have the same amount of characters, they'd need 2 more. So if we give them two, then Microsoft and Square Enix still need more characters to be equaled out.

Then, you have music tracks. Not all series have the same amount of music tracks. Castlevania has 34 music tracks, while Final Fantasy has 2, despite being the much larger series. That's certainly not equal.

How about Assist Trophies? Sonic the Hedgehog has 2. Street Fighter has 1. Mega Man has 1. Bayonetta has 1. Pac-Man has 1. Final Fantasy has 0. Metal Gear has 1. Castlevania has 1. Persona has 0. You get my point, so I won't keep going.

The remaining 2 picks will be based on the series they come from, not the company they come from. Thinking otherwise, as it was from Smash Wii U, seems only to reek of bias in regard to a character fans would rather have over one from a company already in Smash. It's an opinion, which is entirely fine and people are entirely justified to have. But it's not factual, and doesn't actually hold any bearing on how characters are picked.

No offense to anyone, but this has already been picked apart.
 
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The first parties I want- Elma, Adeleine- are likely not coming. So I don't bother with the topic.
My dream first party picks are Adeleine, Mach Rider, Pauline, Elma and Dixie Kong.
I pretty much gave up on her, I mean, I want her in Smash more than anyone else, but at this point it's near impossible, sadly.
Though seeing these comments brings me a smile, at least. Thank you!
 

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The only semi-realistic character I want is Crash, and even then I only expect him next game. The first party characters I'd still like are Skull Kid, Black Knight and Porky, but they're all extremely unlikely, maybe Skull Kid has a chance in future games, but I don't think the other two will ever happen, I was really happy Black Knight even got to be an AT. After those there are a few characters that I think would be neat, like Bandana Dee, Ryu Hayabusa and Agumon, but they're not characters I dream of seeing, and it's likely I'd only play them sporadically in casual matches.

I honestly haven't thought much about what I personally want since Ridley got announced, ever since then I've been more hopeful on other fanbases' behalf than my own. I was really happy to see K. Rool and Banjo, even if I had no relation to them myself, I just like these big moments for speculation, and to see a lot of the good people around here be happy also makes me happy. If you gave me the opportunity to pick any one character to make it into Smash next, I'd probably go with Geno or Isaac, because even if I barely know them outside of what Smash speculation has taught me about them, I know their inclusions would mean a hell of a lot more to their fans than any personal wish would for me at this stage.
While a part of me still want to get atleast 1 personal pick, i'd pretty much follow that point of view, like seeing others getting the character they want after fighting for so long does make me feel good, even if I didn't care for some of them beforehand.
 

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And now I'm catastrophizing again. Awesome.

Blast my knack for always looking at fans complaining about mechanics in a game, justified or not. I just hope no physical harm comes to Game Freak's staff because of the whole Nat. Dex fiasco.
 
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However, what I don't understand is why Sakurai isn't going to greater lengths to add more Zelda reps when the franchise is so popular. If the franchise was bare like Metroid in terms of realizable characters, I'd be more understanding, but he's passed up plenty of unique options that would've made a lot of fans happy.
My bet is that he doesn't know which characters to choose.

Most of the possible choices are one offs with their own relatively equal sized fanbases. Midna, Skull Kid, Ghirahim and the like.

You've got your Ganondorfs (Toon or Ganon from the old school games) but I bet Sakurai doesn't want to repeat another character when we already have three Links.

Tetra and Impa are two reoccurring characters, but their movesets would largely have to come from Hyrule Warriors, and I dunno how much of an obstacle that is.

I think the reality is that from those one offs, Sakurai could choose any one and Zelda fans would be happy, but he decided to include all of them as assists and leave it at that. He seems content with the Triforce Trio + Sheik for now.

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First party wise, the only characters I still REALLY want are Skull Kid, Tetra and Bandana Dee. Marx would be amazing but I really have no hope for him as a playable character.

Third parties: Dark Souls character, Leon, Neku, and Dante/Nero/Vergil.

Skull Kid and Ridley were my two biggest requests for the longest time, so with Ridley now I don't have much complaints at all.
 
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If any of y'all ever wanted to see a Bowser vs Peach karate match or Eggman skateboarding...

Well... here you go:
That thumbnail really has Bowser doing a Wind God Fist on Peach?

The Karate and Boxing almost has me tempted to try this game. Almost. Luigi need to throw hands with everybody.
 

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Now hold up, Thanos.


I don't think Sakurai sees it as favoring one over the other. The guy just looks at a character's potential and position in gaming before adding said character, I assume. The only way I see him looking at companies is him specifically preferring the one's that are easier to work with like for example Japanese publishers.


Considering Capcom has a lot of IPs in vastly different genres I fail to see how all of them would be "boring".
Because we already have 3 from two different franchises. I’ve said this already.
 

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You've got your Ganondorfs (Toon or Ganon from the old school games) but I bet Sakurai doesn't want to repeat another character when we already have three Links.
To be fair, Ganondorf still borrows heavily from CF and pig Ganon and even Toon have a lot of potential to be unique, not just from Ganondorf
 

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I am actively hoping the entire pass is 3rd parties that expand the crossover. So series that have absolutely nothing in Smash at this point.

I also personally just want the big bois, and I simply think they’ll come from Namco and Capcom.
 

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You didn't get far into this game, didn't you?

Because I can't see you saying this, while then saying DMC2 was a rewarding experience.

That, or you played the original version, where hard mode is normal mode. Which was a problem, yeah, but all the new version have the difficulty properly balanced, so no excuse on that front.
I played the version on the Devil May Cry Collection on Xbox One. It was so hard it wasn’t even fun. I still have no clue why I won when I did and not when I didn’t. I just felt like I got lucky and had enough health and Devil stars. And it had the goal to finally give me easy mode after I died a bunch of times, 5 ****ing chapters in! It could have at least let me pick it from the beginning. That felt like the game was somehow itself being an asshole.

So I got all the way to the final Vergil fight on normal mode. I was willing to suffer through. Spending days on a single boss fight. Grinding the pacing down to a screeching haunt. But that fight made me throw my controller down in frustration.
Give me anything from DK, Zelda, Kirby, or Pokemon and I'll be a happy camper. I feel like those franchises are still missing a few good additions.

Speaking of Pokemon though, Gen 8 isn't out of the realm of possibility. I could see Nintendo dropping a Pokemon reveal in a fall Direct that gives us more info on Sword and Shield.



I agree and disagree at the same time.

Because the main characters always change, FE has a much larger cast of characters to choose from when compared to Zelda. It's only natural Sakurai would want to add FE characters - they're just really easy and obvious additions, like Pokemon.

However, what I don't understand is why Sakurai isn't going to greater lengths to add more Zelda reps when the franchise is so popular. If the franchise was bare like Metroid in terms of realizable characters, I'd be more understanding, but he's passed up plenty of unique options that would've made a lot of fans happy.
This rule EXISTS to keep franchises like Pokémon and Fire Emblem from completely overtaking the cast and making it into Pokémon x Fire Emblem. In any other game I can root for more FE. But not when we have EVERYONE back. I’d be fine if Marth and or Ike were the mainstays and the others cycled in and out. But that’s not what happened here.
Excuse me DMC3 is the turd and not 2? I know it's difficulty curve is hella steep and Gold Mode should have been the default but goddamn
I could at least beat the final boss in 2 and not just give up because I have better things to do than getting my ass kicked by Vergil all day.
 
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