Tekken Mafia | Now with the real endgame flavour.... Who won?

[Jdietz43]

I suppose I should say "dealing with." I did end up skimming it to be thorough. I just don't intend to involve myself until the game actually starts. Too much nonsense

 

[Jdietz43]

*he says as he posts an explaination pre-game...*

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

JD, how do you feel about this game overall?

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

Kuz, you aren't town, are you?

Kuz for d1 lynch.


This entire thing reeks of a strong scum trying to pull d1 control. Too forced and uncomfortable.


The "information to the contrary" comment feels especially off, like he's scared of me actually having information that confirms it.

http://merc80.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/****-rider000.jpg

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

Next time I post I'll hope to have dreads.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Internet's being ****, back tomorrow
Although apparently it's still pre-game

 

[Swiss]

The "information to the contrary" comment feels especially off, like he's scared of me actually having information that confirms it. [/quote]

Swiss, would you lynch Adumb off this?[/QUOTE]

No.

The point of what Adum is saying is not that he thinks you overtly were genuinely scared he had information, but rather the confrontation which had a tone or flavour to it which rings off.

Also to addressing you, what do you want? All you're doing is pressuring me to see if I'll give in to wasting my immunity so you can try and read me - whilst also calling me scum overtly in thread to try and weaken my thread power and irritate me. I'm not an imbecile.

If you truly thought me scum you would have voted me or made action to try and rally other players.

RR I mean for you to sheep my vote but not my reads.

Just arrived at work so eta further posts - 12 hours

 

[Swiss]

^ First line is an Adum quote, second line is Kuz' question to me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Swiss, do you think Kuz is scum?

 

[Swiss]

Why bring this up?

Because it's a crumb.

 

[Swiss]

Solidly null, Soup.

He has a habit of err'ing on the side of obnoxious force to produce results. If he's scum I don't think he'll survive too long. Though Adum is town as he lacks his glibe slickness and skill confidence, here he's more appealing. I do of course reserve the right to flip this stance in a heartbeat to no discernible reason.

Gord isn't exactly difficult to read. If I get a town read on Gord I can listen to Kuz' reads.

A wonderful idea.

 

[adumbrodeus]

The "information to the contrary" comment feels especially off, like he's scared of me actually having information that confirms it.

Swiss, would you lynch Adumb off this?[/QUOTE]

No.

The point of what Adum is saying is not that he thinks you overtly were genuinely scared he had information, but rather the confrontation which had a tone or flavour to it which rings off.[/QUOTE]

Actually I sort of did, at least initially. Fear is irrational after all and even if after intellectual consideration he realized it was extremely unlikely that doesn't mean that he didn't react to my post before really thinking.

But in practical terms it could just be general nervousness due to calling out his alignment, asking if I have information to the contrary seems really off and nervous for a townie, the only other explanation is that he was outright role fishing.

 

[Swiss]

You believe Kuz was genuinely scared you had role information and that he reacted like that?

 

[Swiss]

How long was initially, I don't understand.

Why would he react with bluster and arrogance as opposed to immediately discrediting you?

 

[adumbrodeus]

You believe Kuz was genuinely scared you had role information and that he reacted like that?

One possible explanation if he reacted without thinking it through. That's a mistake that even the most experienced scum make on occasion.

In practice, the other explanations are just as damning.

How long was initially, I don't understand.

Why would he react with bluster and arrogance as opposed to immediately discrediting you?

Till 95.


That does give me a bit of pause because he did seem more interested in figuring out if we had a relationship then throwing me off.

At the same time, scum has an interest in appearing that way and kuz certainly is good enough to pull it off. Also any scum has to be on the lookout for third parties, especially in a large. It doesn't provide sufficient doubt to make me reconsider my read.

 

[Swiss]

What are your other reads?

Did Gord's posts imply anything to you?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: WL

Ranked first, then this.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

K so like, dreads are probably not happening toDay, so let's get down to it:

I don't know if I really follow the whole proposal thing, I'll have Kuz gimme a rundown on what happened with that. But here:

Because regardless of my alignment every cop, doc, tracker, watcher and every other goddamn PR will be targeting me N1. By D3 I'll likely be cleared or dead. I hope for the former. But Kuz seems intent on having me waste my immunity. What do you think about this?

It tickles me funny seeing that Swiss is SO disheartened by Kuz' disdain of his plan of action wrt the hammer that he's going to Kary to get his weigh in on it. But ultimately, hey, it's just getting another opinion. But hey @Adumb do you see THE SUBTLETY DISPLAYED?! "Kuz seems intent on having me waste my immunity." Why word it like that if you're not looking to mold his opinion to your scum read that you apparently don't have according to your 131? I'm not digging it.

So far that's my only scum vibe. Adumb reads as meatriding to me, but probably town from the way he's been going at it.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

People, be more obvious about your alignments so I can read you, Dededamn

Scum especially :D Post here instead of your QT

@WL, your posts have all been on the backs of others (80 posts in), I hope you get less reactionary and more I-am-an-independant-black-woman like usual

 

[Swiss]

Gord you misunderstood. I was trying to mold Kary into calling Kuz scum, not into calling Adum scum.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Adumb is town, I've never seen him make stupid entitled posts like 79, 83, 110 as scum

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

That was my point. I called adumb cuz he was like "Yo you gotta look for the SUBTLETIES *slurp* *slurp*" when he was try'na incriminate our slot. That was the only part @ em, the rest was about your attempt of molding Kary's opinion of us being scum. Glad we got this clear.

 

[Swiss]

That was my point. I called adumb cuz he was like "Yo you gotta look for the SUBTLETIES *slurp* *slurp*" when he was try'na incriminate our slot. That was the only part @ em, the rest was about your attempt of molding Kary's opinion of us being scum. Glad we got this clear.

Re-word, I do not understand your point.

 

[Swiss]

Wait, forget that. You idiot.

I gave Kary bait to call Kuz scum or dig at him, he didn't play opportunistically. Hence townread on him in #82.

How the hell do you not know my early play by now?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

**** crumbs.

I'll just Claim VT and get it out of the way.

No, play well this game

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I suppose I should say "dealing with." I did end up skimming it to be thorough. I just don't intend to involve myself until the game actually starts. Too much nonsense

Vote: Jdietz43

 

[adumbrodeus]

What are your other reads?

You're null, frankly I'm resisting an urge to like your slot off nulltells because that's just how you play.

WL is probably town.

Not sure if RR is just being dumb or scum that's trying to throw dumbtown tells for his advantage.

That's all I have so far, because SOMEBODY ended RVS super early.

Did Gord's posts imply anything to you?

No clue, the link is censored and there's not enough context for me to figure it out. I assume it's unflattering but that's expected and doesn't tell me much without what it actually is.

That was my point. I called adumb cuz he was like "Yo you gotta look for the SUBTLETIES *slurp* *slurp*" when he was try'na incriminate our slot. That was the only part @ em, the rest was about your attempt of molding Kary's opinion of us being scum. Glad we got this clear.

...

Swiss says it in an interview and suddenly using a methodology that I've been doing for... years becomes meatriding swiss.


GTFO, I've had my love affair with RVS forever, and yes me and swiss agree on this.

 

[adumbrodeus]

EBWOP: Not necessarily RVS itself, but in the philosophy of reading what people say and how they say it. My liking RVS is one manifestation of it.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

His response to you wasn't even remotely accurate with what was going on though iirc. He was telling you that Kuz wouldn't be taking away your protection (which, in that scenario, is simply wrong) and that was it. If you were really looking to bait em into calling our slot scum, I imagine you'd have clarified and restated the question, but you were just... cool with it. And besides, how is Kary's 65 not a town tell in and of itself.

@Adumb the pic was a cowboy riding on a horse with a penis for a head. It just seems that you're using your like of Swiss, the person, to find our slot scummy because we're not necessarily in compliance with Swiss, the player.

Breakfast.

 

[Swiss]

He had the opportunity to nip at kuz and didn't. Purely because he didn't explictly say "Hey, that's unfair to Kuz" doesn't nullify the tell to me.

Regardless, we both think him town.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

You right you right.

 

[Swiss]

Good.

And Gord, if you full ****** this thread, I will explode.

Adum I'll respond more when I get home from work. I'm taking up too much of my working day.

Nabe why is WL town?

 

[adumbrodeus]

@Adumb the pic was a cowboy riding on a horse with a penis for a head. It just seems that you're using your like of Swiss, the person, to find our slot scummy because we're not necessarily in compliance with Swiss, the player.

Breakfast.

That's laughable.


I have had no trouble pulling cases on kata or OS or swiss or any number of other players I personally liked before. Nor have I white-knighted them in games just because.


If anything, I have a general distrust of d1 power plays due to playing with scum OS a fair number of times, but again it wasn't what that made me dislike your slot, but how.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Some stuff:

Kary town. Have to agree with Swiss here.

Ditz scum. He comes into this game, says he skimmed the thread, and yet still considers this to be "nonsense." How is this nonsense? He could easily come in and say something, but he opts not to.

Gord gives me bad vibes. The second half of his 149 reads as a pathetic attempt at dismissing what Adumb is saying.

Swiss:Thoughts on Gorf/Ditz?

 

[Kataefi]

Hey guys! I'm giving everyone a full 24 hours to confirm (from around the time role PMs were sent). After this point I will consider starting the game.

 

[Fynal]

confirming!

 

[th3kuzinator]

I have awakened. Look at Gorf being all townie for me.

 

[th3kuzinator]

The point of what Adum is saying is not that he thinks you overtly were genuinely scared he had information, but rather the confrontation which had a tone or flavour to it which rings off.

I understand thats what he's saying. But I'm asking you if you actually agree with such a ridiculous statement. "What information do you have to the contrary" is not at all forced and uncomfortable. My post was analogous to "Adumb, what reasons do you have to accuse me of scum?" or simply "why?" Saying that I was actually scared of him having information is 100% completely ridiculous but that the tone was also off is reaching/nitpicking beyond measure.

I'm asking you, Swiss, specifically, if you agree that my tone was off. Not if I'm making a power play, which I clearly am, and which has no reflection of my alignment in the slightest.

Also to addressing you, what do you want? All you're doing is pressuring me to see if I'll give in to wasting my immunity so you can try and read me - whilst also calling me scum overtly in thread to try and weaken my thread power and irritate me. I'm not an imbecile.

I'm doing no such thing. I'm giving you 100% full thread control D1 in exchange for you hammering D1. Heck, if you're brownie, I'll personally ask the Doc to protect you every Night onward. If you're a boon to town, you'll survive to late game and beast scum like I know you want to. Thing is, if you aren't, there's no way in hell I want you near endgame with the possibility of hammer immunity. You're the player who could be my biggest asset or my biggest nightmare and your slippery enough to maneuver around most of this playlist if I were to die. As I stated earlier, your compliance would hurt you much more as scum than as town and, as town, you'd still be in a good position to survive provided the doctor isn't pressured outed (I feel pretty confident that won't happen though).

If you truly thought me scum you would have voted me or made action to try and rally other players.

It's pregame. Votes don't count yet.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I agree with Nabe.

I don't like Ditz.

I have no idea what RR is doing.

Kary is town.

DH is not aligned with me. <- I'm hydraing with Gorf.

Adumb is correct that he is not white knighting, though his reasoning is equally as inane.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Kuz, I've gotten stronger scum then you through equally small subtleties.

For example, Kata in RE.


Now comes the hard part, convincing town to actually follow through.