Team Star Fox call in Krystal for Smash!

[Tortilla Noggin]

And yeah that is a good idea Tortilla Noggin , aren't they talking about adding new DLC to MK8D on twitter atm?

I wouldn't know - I don't use it. The last I heard, they merely hadn't ruled out the possibility.

 

[Gagnetar]

EDIT: Actually, there's a thought - if Mario Kart 8 Deluxe were to get DLC, there could be a chance of some Star Fox content, right? That might generate some screenshots that would be useful to anyone who's campaigning for Krystal on social-media.

I wouldn't hold my breath on that but I do welcome DLC happening for nintendo's games, The next smash line-up is sure to impress and it getting even bigger is always going to be welcome.

 

[Luminario]

Those reasons are theoretical, I can't really think of a good reason for excluding him. I can think of another reason being because he didn't actually deserve to be there in the first place, being the backup dancer to Krystal. But her being excluded from SSB4 can make that reason fall flat. Roy/Mewtwo are very popular Melee characters, but Wolf was also one of the most loved brawl characters. I think Wolf stands a pretty vibrant chance of returning, but then again we all thought he'd be a DLC fighter. I'm also concerned about series representation as i'm curious if Starfox is allowed 4 reps. I think the series needs to do a little better in their eyes for that. But at a counterpoint the smash scene has shown great interest in both and that seems a poor reason to prevent people from having what they want considering Wolf is a low-effort character for them aswell. I'd love an animated trailer for both Wolf and Krystal's appearence, We already had that pretty sweet promotional video and I think there's enough content for a pretty hype-inducing trailer with those two fighters.

I'd say that Starfox as a series is big and iconic enough to get 4 fighters, especially if you consider that 2 of them would be semi-clones (Falco and Wolf) which take much less time to create than unique fighters.
Also wasn't there a trailer idea from the Smash4 Krystal thread that had Fox and Falco fighting Wolf with a few shots of Krystal suiting up before she flies in at the last second to take on Wolf herself? I distinctly remember that as being a great idea.

 

[Smokey21]

I am pretty sure I read a twitter post the other day with some fans asking about a possible Star Fox themed map on Mario Kart 8 Deluxe with Krystal and Fox as playable characters. I think it was jordansweeto actually(he may have been involved in the post as well... I lost the page sorry guys )... Will probably know more when he gets on as I don't really use twitter a lot and am not very good with it regardless. lol

 

[Gagnetar]

I'd say that Starfox as a series is big and iconic enough to get 4 fighters, especially if you consider that 2 of them would be semi-clones (Falco and Wolf) which take much less time to create than unique fighters.
Also wasn't there a trailer idea from the Smash4 Krystal thread that had Fox and Falco fighting Wolf with a few shots of Krystal suiting up before she flies in at the last second to take on Wolf herself? I distinctly remember that as being a great idea.

Totally needs to have a cut at the end with Slippy being like "Awww... I wanted to fight too!" I obviously concur that it would be a great idea. I didn't see that but am pretty new to this character rallying thing so that figures. I definitely hope we see a trailer happen with them, will be too much hype for words if we got it.

 

[Smokey21]

I'd say that Starfox as a series is big and iconic enough to get 4 fighters, especially if you consider that 2 of them would be semi-clones (Falco and Wolf) which take much less time to create than unique fighters.
Also wasn't there a trailer idea from the Smash4 Krystal thread that had Fox and Falco fighting Wolf with a few shots of Krystal suiting up before she flies in at the last second to take on Wolf herself? I distinctly remember that as being a great idea.

I agree dude! It definitely is it's also over 20 years old, the game has just suffered from new development teams for every installment of the game instead of trying to find a semi-permanent home for the franchise to sit with and grow. I wish they tried to make Fox and Falco not as similar as they currently are and have always been... lol.

I actually remember reading that Krystal trailer but I am at a loss for where to find it again... I will look around and see if I can find it again though and update you guys if I do find it.

Edit - Found it!

 

[Luminario]

Edit - Found it!

That's as close to the one I was thinking of that we'll probably find cause the Smash4 Krystal thread has like 300 pages and I'm not scrolling through all that for it. Just imagine that exact trailer idea but with shots of Krystal zipping up her boots and grabbing her staff and stuff before she joins the fight.
Side note after looking at the first couple of pages on the old Krystal thread can you believe people though Starfox was overrepresented in Smash with 3 fighters? Incredible.

 

[Smokey21]

Yeah it's the best I could do in the amount of time I alloted to the task. Sounds like a pretty cool trailer concept though and I would love to see it! haha

Side note after looking at the first couple of pages on the old Krystal thread can you believe people though Starfox was over-represented in Smash with 3 fighters? Incredible.

That is a ridiculous thought process... How can games become more popular if they're limited to 2 characters on a Franchise older than 20 years... that's not profitable to Nintendo in ANY way whatsoever. Sure 5 MAYBE would be over-representing but not 3 or 4. With that thinking Fire Emblem has an unfair amount of representation then. Give us back Wolf!

 

[ryuu seika]

I feel like 4 might have been pushing it but really, it's not the series that's overrepresented. It's that one moveset.
You know, like Roy/Lucina/Marth's moveset.

FE is definitely overrepresented and Pokémon could be argued to be so to, though it's a very prominent series so it could also be argued to warrant it's huge number of fighters.

 

[Smokey21]

I feel like 4 might have been pushing it but really, it's not the series that's overrepresented. It's that one moveset.
You know, like Roy/Lucina/Marth's moveset.

That is a good point ryuu seika . That is very true, even Wolf had a very clone-ish move-set. The Star Fox characters definitely need a fresh new character/move-set now more than ever. If I had to choose 3 characters it would definitely be Krystal/Fox/Wolf all with different movesets, you're right that that move-set has plagued Star Fox characters(besides Fox of whom it naturally belongs) on smash for far too long.

FE is definitely overrepresented and Pokémon could be argued to be so to, though it's a very prominent series so it could also be argued to warrant it's huge number of fighters.

Agreed! Also, yeah Pokémon I definitely understand as well as Mario. Besides all the games that Pokémon has they also have a card game and a TV show that are both immensely popular. I also don't really care if a series is over-represented as long as the characters we get are fresh/fun and other franchises aren't neglected as much as they keep seeming to be.

 

[ryuu seika]

Agreed! Also, yeah Pokémon I definitely understand as well as Mario. Besides all the games that Pokémon has they also have a card game and a TV show that are both immensely popular. I also don't really care if a series is over-represented as long as the characters we get are fresh/fun and other franchises aren't neglected as much as they keep seeming to be.

Yeah, overrepresentation is a very minor problem in most cases that only really becomes an issue if it allows one series to dominate the roster or results in underrepresentation of other series.

 

[Gagnetar]

That is a good point ryuu seika . That is very true, even Wolf had a very clone-ish move-set. The Star Fox characters definitely need a fresh new character/move-set now more than ever. If I had to choose 3 characters it would definitely be Krystal/Fox/Wolf all with different movesets, you're right that that move-set has plagued Star Fox characters(besides Fox of whom it naturally belongs) on smash for far too long.

I'd choose those 3 aswell, But I can't imagine they'd cut Falco who hasn't been cut at all since his inclusion though I think most people would agree on those 3 anyway if we had to choose only 3. Yea I don't think anyone really cares about how many pokemon we get, Lots of us have a favorite pokemon and like several pokemon even. Though I'd say we're going to see more fighters this go around than any other time and the ballot itself is an indication of a different methodology of thinking on their part so I think series being over represented will likely not be an issue for existing series, excluding FE which everyone was salty and probably still are about. I just figured I'd bring up that possibility so that we can have a bunch of angles addressed.

 

[Kirbeh]

Most people agreeing on those 3 seems like a bit of a stretch if you ask me. I think "most people in this thread" would be the more likely case. I'd personally skip Krystal again if her inclusion meant cutting Falco. Keep in mind that Falco is quite the popular character among Smash players, and Krystal's fanbase doesn't even cover most Star Fox fans. She's somewhat of a divisive character. Or at least she was, perhaps that's lessened over time.

If Nintendo really wants Star Fox to succeed (and if we're gonna get more SF representation in Smash) then they should continue to push the series so that it can return to the forefront and grow enough to where people believe it warrants more characters. 4 SF reps doesn't seem like a big deal to me but due to the steady decline of the series for nearly 20 years, it's not really a surprise that we're back at 2.

My only hope is that Miyamoto can deliver on his word and actually learns from Star Fox Zero. Knowing him though, I'm very worried about the series' future.

 

[Smokey21]

Yeah, overrepresentation is a very minor problem in most cases that only really becomes an issue if it allows one series to dominate the roster or results in underrepresentation of other series.

Agreed!

Edit - Apologies for the short reply xD. Was kinda rushing out the door to get to work. Lol

 

[Gagnetar]

Most people agreeing on those 3 seems like a bit of a stretch if you ask me. I think "most people in this thread" would be the more likely case. I'd personally skip Krystal again if her inclusion meant cutting Falco. Keep in mind that Falco is quite the popular character among Smash players, and Krystal's fanbase doesn't even cover most Star Fox fans. She's somewhat of a divisive character. Or at least she was, perhaps that's lessened over time.

If Nintendo really wants Star Fox to succeed (and if we're gonna get more SF representation in Smash) then they should continue to push the series so that it can return to the forefront and grow enough to where people believe it warrants more characters. 4 SF reps doesn't seem like a big deal to me but due to the steady decline of the series for nearly 20 years, it's not really a surprise that we're back at 2.

My only hope is that Miyamoto can deliver on his word and actually learns from Star Fox Zero. Knowing him though, I'm very worried about the series' future.

Perhaps it's just because i've been looking for new fighters, I don't really know how many people still like Falco, I think most of his popularity sticks with Melee and their quite odd fans but that's just a guess. Krystal is still polarizing among Starfox fans but I think the smash community likes her better than the Starfox fanbase. It's not her fault that furries are mostly gay lol. The destruction of any real character when she was transferred to SFA and how she acted in Command are quite viable reasons to hate her. Miyamoto is a bit dangerous for the series that's for sure but we've addressed that earlier.

 

[Luminario]

I feel like 4 might have been pushing it but really, it's not the series that's overrepresented. It's that one moveset.
You know, like Roy/Lucina/Marth's moveset.

FE is definitely overrepresented and Pokémon could be argued to be so to, though it's a very prominent series so it could also be argued to warrant it's huge number of fighters.

Pokemon is one of Nintendo's flagship titles so it along with Mario are allowed more reps than most other series, especially when you consider the moveset potential in Pokemon. To be honest though besides Wolf's specials he has pretty different attacks to Fox/Falco focusing on brutal claw attacks that really set him apart. There's wasn't any believable excuse to not bring him back at least as DLC.

Perhaps it's just because i've been looking for new fighters, I don't really know how many people still like Falco, I think most of his popularity sticks with Melee and their quite odd fans but that's just a guess. Krystal is still polarizing among Starfox fans but I think the smash community likes her better than the Starfox fanbase. It's not her fault that furries are mostly gay lol. The destruction of any real character when she was transferred to SFA and how she acted in Command are quite viable reasons to hate her. Miyamoto is a bit dangerous for the series that's for sure but we've addressed that earlier.

There's extremely little chance for Falco to be cut by now, as not only is he likely pretty easy to implement he is character number 2 of Starfox and is liked by both the Starfox and Smash community. Plus at this point we deserve all 4 characters.
I still don't get the hate for Krystal though. I understand if they find her sexualised appearance jarring as I am 100% with them on that but so far the only thing Krystal has done is added much needed diversity to the sausage fest pre-Adventures and was dealt a bad hand during the story creation of Command. By now she's essentially the Peach of the Starfox series (lone female of the main 4, unfairly relegated to damsel in distress, love interest to the main character, feminine and magical).

 

[Gagnetar]

There's extremely little chance for Falco to be cut by now, as not only is he likely pretty easy to implement he is character number 2 of Starfox and is liked by both the Starfox and Smash community. Plus at this point we deserve all 4 characters.
I still don't get the hate for Krystal though. I understand if they find her sexualised appearance jarring as I am 100% with them on that but so far the only thing Krystal has done is added much needed diversity to the sausage fest pre-Adventures and was dealt a bad hand during the story creation of Command. By now she's essentially the Peach of the Starfox series (lone female of the main 4, unfairly relegated to damsel in distress, love interest to the main character, feminine and magical).

Yea I agree, Falco is here to stay for sure. but i'm curious if you don't like her sex appeal (which is 90% of the character) what do you actually like about her? I personally like the potential for power she has just lying in wait ontop of the sex appeal.

Also yea I'm just saying they'd be more inclined to favorite male characters over her, some could even not like her because she potentially ruins their completely unfounded ships but that's a fandom for you.

 

[Kirbeh]

I take it most favor the rest of the cast is because Krystal hasn't really gotten to do much. Fox, Falco, and Wolf have been part of the series from the start. Krystal was just around for what is essentially a tutorial sequence in her own debut game. I'm not too familiar with Assault, but then in Command, well, that game more or less speaks for itself from what I've seen. They sort of dragged the cast through the mud with that game's multiple endings. And of course with the series rebooting yet again, she is now absent from the current continuity.

As someone who has seen most of the SF games played from start to finish but not actually played them myself, my interest in Krystal always came from the potential her fans always held up. Her magic staff and telepathy always seemed like interesting concepts compared to everything else in Star Fox. She almost feels a bit out of place, which I suppose is fitting given that Dinosaur Planet was haphazardly turned into a Star Fox game when it wasn't supposed to be one in the first place.

 

[Luminario]

Yea I agree, Falco is here to stay for sure. but i'm curious if you don't like her sex appeal (which is 90% of the character) what do you actually like about her? I personally like the potential for power she has just lying in wait ontop of the sex appeal.

I gravitate towards strong feminine characters. Not only do I see potential in her moveset as a quick and elegant staff user I see potential in her character as a persistent and deceptively wise personality with telepathic powers in both Starfox and Smash. I just want them to give her a flight jacket and change the weird boob cup outfit design so that she's not just seen as a "furrybait" character.

Also yea I'm just saying they'd be more inclined to favorite male characters over her, some could even not like her because she potentially ruins their completely unfounded ships but that's a fandom for you.

Though I wouldn't really say it's to do with shipping characters together, you do make a good point that fans are more likely to favour the male characters, especially if it's fueled by nostalgia.

I take it most favor the rest of the cast is because Krystal hasn't really gotten to do much. Fox, Falco, and Wolf have been part of the series from the start. Krystal was just around for what is essentially a tutorial sequence in her own debut game. I'm not too familiar with Assault, but then in Command, well, that game more or less speaks for itself from what I've seen. They sort of dragged the cast through the mud with that game's multiple endings. And of course with the series rebooting yet again, she is now absent from the current continuity.

As someone who has seen most of the SF games played from start to finish but not actually played them myself, my interest in Krystal always came from the potential her fans always held up. Her magic staff and telepathy always seemed like interesting concepts compared to everything else in Star Fox. She almost feels a bit out of place, which I suppose is fitting given that Dinosaur Planet was haphazardly turned into a Star Fox game when it wasn't supposed to be one in the first place.

Yeah, she's been dealt a lot of bad hands since her introduction and she really is out of place as a magic character in a world of science. I just wish they used that potential for a good story.

 

[Tortilla Noggin]

I'm not too familiar with Assault

Krystal got to play just as much a part as everyone else did in Assault's main story. Also, she was a playable character in the game's multi-player mode.

 

[Gagnetar]

I take it most favor the rest of the cast is because Krystal hasn't really gotten to do much. Fox, Falco, and Wolf have been part of the series from the start. Krystal was just around for what is essentially a tutorial sequence in her own debut game. I'm not too familiar with Assault, but then in Command, well, that game more or less speaks for itself from what I've seen. They sort of dragged the cast through the mud with that game's multiple endings. And of course with the series rebooting yet again, she is now absent from the current continuity.

As someone who has seen most of the SF games played from start to finish but not actually played them myself, my interest in Krystal always came from the potential her fans always held up. Her magic staff and telepathy always seemed like interesting concepts compared to everything else in Star Fox. She almost feels a bit out of place, which I suppose is fitting given that Dinosaur Planet was haphazardly turned into a Star Fox game when it wasn't supposed to be one in the first place.

I don't think here game continuity matters that much, it's not like Starfox is very sequel heavy to really make use of a canon, anything that was ever continued did feature Krystal though. Removing her seems only harmful for the future of the series.

I gravitate towards strong feminine characters. Not only do I see potential in her moveset as a quick and elegant staff user I see potential in her character as a persistent and deceptively wise personality with telepathic powers in both Starfox and Smash. I just want them to give her a flight jacket and change the weird boob cup outfit design so that she's not just seen as a "furrybait" character.

Though I wouldn't really say it's to do with shipping characters together, you do make a good point that fans are more likely to favour the male characters, especially if it's fueled by nostalgia.

Yeah, she's been dealt a lot of bad hands since her introduction and she really is out of place as a magic character in a world of science. I just wish they used that potential for a good story.

I personally very much so preference her assault outfit, she'll likely feature some strong female characteristics but the games so far have given us damsel in distress and a revenge-fueled antagonizing, GOD someone still needs to die for Command, maybe one day.

I haven't personally observed much of the starfox fanbase, but i am familiar with how obsessive ships are, though ships are a more feminine outlet so i can't really say much further in that.

Psychics are by no means out of place in a science universe, Metroid's Chozo are telepath, and there are alot of psychic bioweapons in fantasy created using sci-fi tech, Of course adventures definitely leaned towards magic even though managing spirits is something in the psychic realm. Starfox having more depth wouldn't be bad but the series has always been a pretty casual series. That could change with a Switch title, also I didn't realize it but in 2018 Starfox would be celebrating it's 25th anniversary, seems like a perfect time for a title if you ask me. That could potentially line it up with a Smash aswell.

 

[Smokey21]

I gravitate towards strong feminine characters. Not only do I see potential in her moveset as a quick and elegant staff user I see potential in her character as a persistent and deceptively wise personality with telepathic powers in both Starfox and Smash. I just want them to give her a flight jacket and change the weird boob cup outfit design so that she's not just seen as a "furrybait" character.

Though I wouldn't really say it's to do with shipping characters together, you do make a good point that fans are more likely to favour the male characters, especially if it's fueled by nostalgia.

Yeah, she's been dealt a lot of bad hands since her introduction and she really is out of place as a magic character in a world of science. I just wish they used that potential for a good story.

I can respect that view point as well because I feel similarly about the character. Her moveset just has so much potential from her agile staff combat style to her elemental/telepathic abilities, or they can do more fun Psionic things with her character should they so please. there is just so many things the character may be able to do, but it is never really talked about.

yeah sadly the character has been dealt a lot of bad hands, I have to agree with you there, on top of having a different company writing her character every time she gets a new game. Personally my favorite krystal would have assaults looks and adventures powers.

Edit - also would like to say that some science can fall under the same domain as magic because it just doesn't seem possible. There's plenty that can be done with magic in a sci-fi universe. Potentially they could say her powers were created through science on cerinia which may have played a part in the destruction of said home world.

 

[Blackwolf666]

Honestly, I want her in the game more than wolf atm

 

[jordansweeto]

Krystal's best appearance in my opinion was Assault - it's a must play title for any Star Fox and Krystal fan alike.
It had it's share of issues like the on-foot mission's controls being not the best they could be BUT it was a hugely welcome addition and showed that the Star Fox series could be ambitious and evolve.
Plus the multiplayer was really, really fun! Can you imagine if the Switch got a Star Fox game with a multiplayer mode like Assault? Playing that with friends literally anywhere you want would be a HUGE selling point for people I think.

As for Krystal's character in general, Assault let her shine the most as an equally important member of the Star Fox team.
Adventures could have treated her much better and given her a bigger role but due to time constraints I'm sure they opted out of this and gave Fox all the gameplay.
Command was just... well I think we're all in agreement when I say that Command was just a very strange Star Fox game story-wise.. None of the characters were acting like themselves especially Krystal. It literally felt more like a fan-fiction than an actually SF story made by Nintendo themselves. I hope they leave Command in the dust as far as cannon goes moving on. That's just me though!

Assault saw Krystal as a valued team member with unique skills and powers from the rest of the team - being a telepath. She's proven to be a confident fighter on the team opting for ground missions with fox, she's very headstrong and brave as shown in briefings and she has a very caring personality towards her friends.
The female representation on the team was a fresh and welcome change too, when your team members are calling for your help I'd imagine that most people wouldn't care much to save Slippy but would turn their head if Krystal or Falco was in trouble.
I guess I just really think that Assault is the direction the series needs to evolve towards now. If they bring Krystal and the Assault formula back in the next game I think it will give us the most potential for a GREAT Star Fox game (which is what the series needs desperately right now).

 

[ryuu seika]

I gravitate towards strong feminine characters. Not only do I see potential in her moveset as a quick and elegant staff user I see potential in her character as a persistent and deceptively wise personality with telepathic powers in both Starfox and Smash. I just want them to give her a flight jacket and change the weird boob cup outfit design so that she's not just seen as a "furrybait" character.

Indeed. From what I have seen, she most definitely has potential and her character ability in Assault's multiplayer (multiple shields per life) certainly set her apart in gameplay terms but I don't know if that much has actually been done with her.
Sadly, I have little recollection of Assault's single player.

Her original outfit probably is what has made many turn against her as, while fitting for the world we see her introduced in, it makes no sense for her actual origin story and so becomes just unnecessarily revealing attire. Fanservice, in essence. There is no reason that she couldn't be sexy in a flight jacket, should she need to be, but it would be subtler and fit better with, at the very least, the old canon.

Also, it wouldn't be the first time we've seen her in one.

 

[Smokey21]

Krystal's best appearance in my opinion was Assault - it's a must play title for any Star Fox and Krystal fan alike.
It had it's share of issues like the on-foot mission's controls being not the best they could be BUT it was a hugely welcome addition and showed that the Star Fox series could be ambitious and evolve.
Plus the multiplayer was really, really fun! Can you imagine if the Switch got a Star Fox game with a multiplayer mode like Assault? Playing that with friends literally anywhere you want would be a HUGE selling point for people I think.

As for Krystal's character in general, Assault let her shine the most as an equally important member of the Star Fox team.
Adventures could have treated her much better and given her a bigger role but due to time constraints I'm sure they opted out of this and gave Fox all the gameplay.
Command was just... well I think we're all in agreement when I say that Command was just a very strange Star Fox game story-wise.. None of the characters were acting like themselves especially Krystal. It literally felt more like a fan-fiction than an actually SF story made by Nintendo themselves. I hope they leave Command in the dust as far as cannon goes moving on. That's just me though!

Assault saw Krystal as a valued team member with unique skills and powers from the rest of the team - being a telepath. She's proven to be a confident fighter on the team opting for ground missions with fox, she's very headstrong and brave as shown in briefings and she has a very caring personality towards her friends.
The female representation on the team was a fresh and welcome change too, when your team members are calling for your help I'd imagine that most people wouldn't care much to save Slippy but would turn their head if Krystal or Falco was in trouble.
I guess I just really think that Assault is the direction the series needs to evolve towards now. If they bring Krystal and the Assault formula back in the next game I think it will give us the most potential for a GREAT Star Fox game (which is what the series needs desperately right now).

I do agree that her best appearance was from assault. But if Nintendo truly is trying to redo everything from the Zero timeline they can't leave out adventures or her backstory since denying its existence entirely would upset a lot of fans. Sure a lot of people don't miss it but it still could have been a great game not just a good/decent game. Though they could likely do the adventures portion differently, which I wouldn't mind as long as we get a good story out of the deal since she was kinda just put into the game with a wtf happened with her life/planet kind of deal and never elaborated on it(besides guesswork and fanfics).

I agree that her best role was her assault role as she had a much more prominent role. Adventures really was a disappointment in her character development department(doomed home planet with no explanation of what happened there, or why the distress call on Sauria was so important that it somehow tied to Cerinia). And yeah don't even get me started on command(the only game in the franchise I legitimately will not buy because of how out of character Krystal is in it from the stories I have heard/read. I mean how does a Telepathic on the scale of Empathy not know how to talk to someone that clearly cares about them? I won't even go there anymore, the story is so dumb. lol

Indeed. From what I have seen, she most definitely has potential and her character ability in Assault's multiplayer (multiple shields per life) certainly set her apart in gameplay terms but I don't know if that much has actually been done with her.
Sadly, I have little recollection of Assault's single player.

Her original outfit probably is what has made many turn against her as, while fitting for the world we see her introduced in, it makes no sense for her actual origin story and so becomes just unnecessarily revealing attire. Fanservice, in essence. There is no reason that she couldn't be sexy in a flight jacket, should she need to be, but it would be subtler and fit better with, at the very least, the old canon.

Also, it wouldn't be the first time we've seen her in one.

Haha the double shields thing! I remember people raging so hard in multiplayer because of that. Was an interesting character bonus. And yeah the games multiplayer is what I miss about Assault.

You are absolutely right here a lot of people were immediately like wtf when they saw her original outfit. But we really don't know enough about Cerinia to know what they wore there, we just know that it's "doomed" according to the manual. The implications are somewhere along the lines that she wasn't there for very long which would be saying that she came dressed like that? I don't know lol. She definitely would look good in a flight jacket though if they decided to do that and I hope they do do something along those lines! Either way I would be interested in seeing how they actually go about re-introducing her to the franchise as a good starting point and worry about how she's dressed after.

 

[Kirbeh]

Going with the idea that they actually bother to properly reintroduce her, I'd like the next game to start with just the original crew, and you can then recruit allies as the game goes along. There are actual missions involving the fall of Krystal's home planet, eventually you go to Sauria and whatnot, and in later missions they could finally bring in the scrapped characters from Star Fox 2, and make Bill a recurring temporary ally as well.

 

[jordansweeto]

I do agree that her best appearance was from assault. But if Nintendo truly is trying to redo everything from the Zero timeline they can't leave out adventures or her backstory since denying its existence entirely would upset a lot of fans. Sure a lot of people don't miss it but it still could have been a great game not just a good/decent game. Though they could likely do the adventures portion differently, which I wouldn't mind as long as we get a good story out of the deal since she was kinda just put into the game with a wtf happened with her life/planet kind of deal and never elaborated on it(besides guesswork and fanfics).

Oh don't get me wrong, I loved Adventures and I definitely don't think Nintendo should pretend the game didn't happen.
I personally think that while I'd love to see another attempt at Adventures (to go more in-depth about Krystal's character/backstory) I think Nintendo need to focus on making something brand new while perfecting the Star Fox formula.

I've said it before that I think Assault combines the best of both worlds
- the classic arwing sections that ALL SF fans are familiar with as well as
- expanding upon the new gameplay experiences we saw in Assault such as the fresh new on-foot to vehicle missions.

Krystal has been added to the Star Fox team and has been there for almost half of the series' total games.
Her inclusion in the series has been a choice by Nintendo themselves, it is deserved and doesn't need to be further justified.
Star Fox just needs ambition and direction, the characters have never been the problem. (Please no more tired remakes that keep the series stagnant haha..)

 

[Gagnetar]

Oh don't get me wrong, I loved Adventures and I definitely don't think Nintendo should pretend the game didn't happen.
I personally think that while I'd love to see another attempt at Adventures (to go more in-depth about Krystal's character/backstory) I think Nintendo need to focus on making something brand new while perfecting the Star Fox formula.

I've said it before that I think Assault combines the best of both worlds
- the classic arwing sections that ALL SF fans are familiar with as well as
- expanding upon the new gameplay experiences we saw in Assault such as the fresh new on-foot to vehicle missions.

Krystal has been added to the Star Fox team and has been there for almost half of the series' total games.
Her inclusion in the series has been a choice by Nintendo themselves, it is deserved and doesn't need to be further justified.
Star Fox just needs ambition and direction, the characters have never been the problem. (Please no more tired remakes that keep the series stagnant haha..)

Assault also had some of best production values of the series with cutscenes that still dazzle me, excellent voice acting and a very nice art style. Really i just think they needed more work on the ground segments as they can be a chore, I also prefer over the shoulder camera angels if we're doing third person angles aswell.

Also I don't see them cutting any properly introduced characters for an actual sequel. SFZ was very clearly a lazy concept that didn't offer anything new but unwelcome controls seeing as the chicken walker was also from Starfox 2. I don't think it has any effect on the canon of the series. Command isn't a viable continuation point due to all of the games endings and a "pick one" mentally for nintendo seems odd. Especially since the game sees rather unanimous hatred. Despite some mixed responses too the sequels a continuation from Assault seems the only realistic angle. A reintroduction timeline seems like a waste of time to me, simply charge right into a proper sequel. Still funny how we don't have Katt and Krystal in the same game, I have no idea who Katt was from Command, it's very clearly not the Katt Monroe we all know. Just more hilariously outrageous decisions in Command, which seem to be centered around females.

Anyway if we get a 25th anniversary game that would be sweet, I don't even think Miyamoto is insane enough to simply reboot the original again. Because as mentioned earlier a new title brings relevance even though I think high popularity fighters have a high chance on their own.

 

[Smokey21]

Oh don't get me wrong, I loved Adventures and I definitely don't think Nintendo should pretend the game didn't happen.
I personally think that while I'd love to see another attempt at Adventures (to go more in-depth about Krystal's character/backstory) I think Nintendo need to focus on making something brand new while perfecting the Star Fox formula.

I've said it before that I think Assault combines the best of both worlds
- the classic arwing sections that ALL SF fans are familiar with as well as
- expanding upon the new gameplay experiences we saw in Assault such as the fresh new on-foot to vehicle missions.

Krystal has been added to the Star Fox team and has been there for almost half of the series' total games.
Her inclusion in the series has been a choice by Nintendo themselves, it is deserved and doesn't need to be further justified.
Star Fox just needs ambition and direction, the characters have never been the problem. (Please no more tired remakes that keep the series stagnant haha..)

Yeah I'm pretty sure the games dead in the water until Nintendo can seriously figure out what to do with it's formula. I agree that assault style is most likely the proper way to continue a star fox game. But for me to enjoy it as much as I want to it would have to have online multiplayer because most my good memories from assault as well as 64 were from the games multiplayer. Although I will be happy regardless of what Nintendo decides to do with star fox in the future, as long as Krystal makes it back.

And yeah, ATM the game is suffering from those exact buzz words, Ambition and direction. We don't need a game redone 3 times. I believe it sold less every time? I don't remember off the top of my head what zeros and 64 3ds sales numbers were. I'm pretty sure zero made a little more then 500k sales total(Wii u being a pretty much dead console didn't help). Main point being I'm pretty sure we're all tired of 64 being redone by now.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Nintendo's creativity is a double edged sword. With Pokemon and Mario as the iterative money spinners they really don't do much else with their other series unless they get some grand idea, despite things like a lack of said game's genre being reason enough for most studios. As such they let the series slip from the public mind and make getting new ones progressively harder.

This is most clear in the Paper Mario series which is loved by fans for being an RPG with a quirky paper-craft aesthetic, but Nintendo just sees as their paper-craft game. Compare Thousand Year Door who's gimmick of Mario oragami-ing was a side thing in the story whereas in Sticker Star and Color Splash the entire plot is based around stickers and paint like some kinda Japanese Highschool art club anime. Or that period after Yoshi's story when Yoshi only starred in gimmick games like Topsy Turvey and Touch and Go. Maybe that's why I remember Island DS better than it actually was.

Star Fox Zero was also a casualty of this as it was made to try and wow people with the WiiU's unique gimmick... and it didn't work out so hot.

 

[Tortilla Noggin]

Anyway if we get a 25th anniversary game that would be sweet

I'm not getting my hopes up, there - they didn't mark the 20th anniversary at all, and they've also ignored milestone anniversaries for series that are bigger, such as Donkey Kong.

Still, maybe things will be different this time around!

 

[Bowser D.X]

I support. A staff based moveset using the various staff power ups would be perfect. Along with a Krazoa Palace as a stage. Starfox Adventures needs more love.

Edit: We would also need some kickass Adventures remixes. Also her Assault outfit as an alt is a must. I'm no furry in the slightest but Assault Krystal is the one weird unexplainable exception for me.

 

[Smokey21]

found an interesting article today I thought you guys would like! It seems that they are going for a non-traditional approach to E3 again this year focusing on improving switch/3ds/mobile momentum!

I'm not getting my hopes up, there - they didn't mark the 20th anniversary at all, and they've also ignored milestone anniversaries for series that are bigger, such as Donkey Kong.

Still, maybe things will be different this time around!

I won't either! that's just setting up for failure -_-. Although the article above also talks about Kirby's 25th anniversary as of yesterday. So we can hope! Star Fox is definitely not as popular as Kirby. And I don't remember if they did anything for Metroids 30th anniversary last year, but I don't think they did. But they could have just been too distracted by the switch at the time as it was around the time all the hype around the console was at it's peak.

I support. A staff based moveset using the various staff power ups would be perfect. Along with a Krazoa Palace as a stage. Starfox Adventures needs more love.

Edit: We would also need some kickass Adventures remixes. Also her Assault outfit as an alt is a must. I'm no furry in the slightest but Assault Krystal is the one weird unexplainable exception for me.

I can confirm that a Krazoa Palace themed map would also be a cool idea(would definitely be a good map theme to come with the character should they unveil her). And I can think of a few cool song ideas for the stage as well!
I tend to be 50/50 assault or adventures outfit with a slight lean towards the assault outfit, I would be happy with whatever outfit is chosen as long as it's not command. *shudder*

 

[Gagnetar]

I'm not getting my hopes up, there - they didn't mark the 20th anniversary at all, and they've also ignored milestone anniversaries for series that are bigger, such as Donkey Kong.

Still, maybe things will be different this time around!

As long as platinum games is still interested in Starfox I think we have a good chance of a Starfox anniversary title. Some companies might not wanna jump on their less popular titles for obvious reasons. In any case having hope or not doesn't affect the outcome. It'd still be good to show interest in another title however.

Edit: We would also need some kickass Adventures remixes. Also her Assault outfit as an alt is a must. I'm no furry in the slightest but Assault Krystal is the one weird unexplainable exception for me.

Hello welcome to Krystal, enjoy your stay. Her being a clone is virtually impossible if they were going to do that we would have never had Wolf to begin with so there's a full intent on her staff kit if she gets in.

 

[Smokey21]

As long as platinum games is still interested in Starfox I think we have a good chance of a Starfox anniversary title. Some companies might not wanna jump on their less popular titles for obvious reasons. In any case having hope or not doesn't affect the outcome. It'd still be good to show interest in another title however.



Hello welcome to Krystal, enjoy your stay. Her being a clone is virtually impossible if they were going to do that we would have never had Wolf to begin with so there's a full intent on her staff kit if she gets in.

I am pretty sure platinum is interested in doing another title for Star Fox(question simply is when?). I'm not sure what they could do with it though since Zero just did so poorly. Hopefully we can hear something about it soon so we're not all holding onto our seats waiting for an announcement for 11 years like we were for Zero, and even that was a remake with gyrocopter missions. Which is what upset me more than the controls, the best thing about it being the chicken walker(still not innovative enough though because it was in Star Fox 2, at least it made the other star fox 2 fans happy lol).

Yeah I'm pretty sure if Krystal does get introduced then she will definitely use a combination of the abilities from adventures/weapons from assault.

 

[Gagnetar]

I am pretty sure platinum is interested in doing another title for Star Fox(question simply is when?). I'm not sure what they could do with it though since Zero just did so poorly. Hopefully we can hear something about it soon so we're not all holding onto our seats waiting for an announcement for 11 years like we were for Zero, and even that was a remake with gyrocopter missions. Which is what upset me more than the controls, the best thing about it being the chicken walker(still not innovative enough though because it was in Star Fox 2, at least it made the other star fox 2 fans happy lol).

Yeah I'm pretty sure if Krystal does get introduced then she will definitely use a combination of the abilities from adventures/weapons from assault.

I'm willing to bet Miyamoto or else not platinum games was to blame, because I'm fairly certain they know that sequels are what people want when talking about visiting existing IP

 

[ArcaneKitsune]

If Krystal were to make it in Smash I believe this is what she could look like.

This art is curtesy of Smashified. Looking back at this art always puts a smile on my face because a funny chibi animation of Sakurai banging his head upon his desk in stupidity always pops into my head. Nonetheless, this is a good version of Krystal that I can see myself mentally playing as on the Smash Bros. battlefield kicking a!? and taking names.

 

[Gagnetar]

If Krystal were to make it in Smash I believe this is what she could look like.

This art is curtesy of Smashified. Looking back at this art always puts a smile on my face because a funny chibi animation of Sakurai banging his head upon his desk in stupidity always pops into my head. Nonetheless, this is a good version of Krystal that I can see myself mentally playing as on the Smash Bros. battlefield kicking a!? and taking names.

The smashified art is quite well fitted with smash 4's starfox art style. I think most krystal fans know of it aswell lol. I wonder if any of Nintendo has seen the video? They do seem interested in what social media scenes smash fans exist and Smashified might be a good place to consider fighters in some regard.

 

[Smokey21]

Oh yeah that art is really good! I remember watching that after the ballot ended. It made me feel worse about her not making it but I really liked the video at the same time... weird feeling . On a more cheery note I would definitely enjoy that as a palette swap for her should she be included!