Tales of Symphonia Mafia | Game Over - Town Wins Yayuhzz

[#HBC | marshy]

Marshy =P I still don't trust you, but sure, double-voter it is!

where you at?

 

[Chaco]

Marshy, which one iyo: Vult, Sword, X1?

 

[Vult Redux]

Vote: Zac

Yes.

I think indy team is plausible because of the yellow, because of the flavor, because of Swiss' post-death dialogue, and because I think Hilt is more likely scum target than a Vidge target.

Also I retract my earlier statement that I don't think Chaco is suspicious anymore. He's still on my list. X1 maybe is third.

Swords not really but I haven't looked at him much in the first place. There's the Chainsaw Defense thing, but that doesn't mean much to me [I attacked Swiss wagon supporters also; they deserved to be attacked] and a connection to Swiss isn't important at the moment anyway.

 

[Chaco]

IGMEOY: Vult

What you're saying really doesn't make sense, any connection is important and you casting doubt on that is questionable. Also, I lose the wishy washy suspicions, classic scum.

 

[Chaco]

Too many scummy people in this game right now. My town list as of right now is:

Zac, Marshy, and Riddle

@Those: Play

 

[Chaco]

EBWOP:

@Those: Who's the play?

 

[Nix2100]

So...your town list consists of Zac, who's done nothing, Marshy who wants me to be his double voter, and Riddle who's.....done....some stuff I think.....Yea...Did I miss something?

 

[Chaco]

you're probably just not thinking and watching the game.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

id say x1-12 chac. also i actually think zac is a decent play today. id feel bad if he got lynched and flipped town considering your defense so if that happens then replace him with tanny. wuddya think of vult when you strip away the swiss defense? he didnt have the meta

vult to be clear chaco is second on your list? i wonder who else might be third but im not asking for elaboration

good instinct. good instinct. i dont think these posts are too useful for determining alignment...but theyre cool

nix seriously why am i not dvoter yet? no take-backsies

riddle wuddya think of not contacting macman about this game AT ALL til halfway through d2? i think its an awesome idea

unvote vote zac

 

[Thinkaman]

I'm gonna reread a lot myself, anything I was going to post would benefit from it.

I will go ahead and say that I am far less eager to lynch zac now than I was previously.

I also suspect 2 mafias of 2 members each--a simple but somewhat unconvential pattern that would be pretty intrinsically balanced for 13 players. An alternative is that Mithos is the sole killer, and there are 3 Desians who know who he is? I doubt there is a vig, I'll say that now. I agree that Hilt was just not a likely vig target, I know I wouldn't have picked him.

I don't like x1-12's reaction post, and I can't put into words why. It doesn't help that he didn't vote for Swiss, even if that is arbitrary in most (but not all) possible game setups.

Okay, back to writing a big post.

 

[Tandora]

I'm posting to let everyone know I am still on V/LA. This is my last day so I'll post a longer post when I get home if the trip doesn't wear me out too much.

 

[Chaco]

Hmm, good point. Most of my push on Swiss was I recognized the tells along with meta. Swiss's defense on Zac was to make himself appear town, so, considering he was an indy faction there's still plausibility there for Zac. I'm still not feeling it though, there was something he did which struck home for me as beginning town. I'll highlight it on a reread. I followed my train of thought, anyways, I think Vult is suspicious. It's an uncertainty I have with him, and his actions. I'm playing this game by gut a lot, and I don't get a good feel from him. I wouldn't leave him alive until endgame, nor X1 either.

Too many inherently scummy people this game, Thinka is entirely off of my radar. He's fallen into is own subcategory of flavor reliance.

I forgot Tandora existed, as well as Rajam. Need more from them.

Nix needs to read.

 

[Vult Redux]

IGMEOY: Vult

What you're saying really doesn't make sense, any connection is important and you casting doubt on that is questionable.

Not enough to chase players solely for having ties to Swiss when we aren't certain that Swiss had other allies and when there is likely another faction at large.

Also, I lose the wishy washy suspicions, classic scum.

I changed my mind after reading end of Day 1 and determining that Swiss PROBABLY wasn't on lone scumteam and thus you don't get big town points for attacking him.

vult to be clear chaco is second on your list? i wonder who else might be third but im not asking for elaboration

I'd be happy to see him lynched. Zac is more practical though; we've already got a claim and support for his wagon.

I have Nix and X1 are on my radar because of a few of their posts that jumped out at me. I'd put them behind Chaco in priority, yes. I wouldn't go beyond those four as far as a lynch pool goes.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The Church of Martel is nothing more than an instrument created by Cruxis to rule the world. Those who call themselves angels are half-elves, who’ve evolved by using a special type of Exsphere called Cruxis Crystals. They aren’t gods or anything of the sort. Of course, the Church of Martel and the Chosen know nothing about that.

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Vult Redux -1: Sworddancer
UTDZac - 2: Vult Redux, Marshy

Not voting: X1-12, Dr. Riddler, Thinkaman, Nix2100, UTDZac, Tandora, Rajam, Chaco

Takes 6/11 to lynch!

 

[Riddle]

riddle wuddya think of not contacting macman about this game AT ALL til halfway through d2? i think its an awesome idea

lol?

Who's the play

Most comfortable with Nix though I'm cool with vult too.

 

[X1-12]

calling out to UTDZac: When are we gonna see this D2 scumhunting?

Rajam, where are you?

Thinkaman: you are saying me not voting for swiss tells something? but if I was voting for him it could be called bussing? there's so much WIFOM. also are you suggesting that not voting swiss makes you scummy?

also totally agree with Nix saying chaco's town list consists of 2 people who have done absolutely nothing for town D1 - what's up with that? I don't call that pro-town

 

[Nix2100]

Vote: Zac

Pressure for Zac for when he gets back, Lets see that scumhunting!....That and so marshy leaves me alone about being a double-voter!

And really? >_> People think im scum already? Jeeze....I'm actually surprised it took a bit longer then that..

@Thinkaman - Ah...so I wasn't the only one that had issues with X1's reaction post? K >_> Not just me then.

 

[X1-12]

what 'reaction post' are you guys talking about btw?

 

[Chaco]

also totally agree with Nix saying chaco's town list consists of 2 people who have done absolutely nothing for town D1 - what's up with that? I don't call that pro-town

Tells man, learn to use them.

 

[Thinkaman]

Noooooooooooooo my broswer refreshed.

My post.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

[Thinkaman]

So much rage right now. Summary:

I don't think any Desians left. If not, there is evidence that me, nix, Chaco, Tandora, and Zac are not Desians. Ask me to elaborate on any if you want, I'll go re-re-read the posts. (ARG SO ANNOYED CHROME I HATE YOU WHY DID YOU REFRESH WHY)

I am really, really shocked that Chaco is alive right now. I think we all agree that the night kill was a third faction? Why would they kill Hilt? After Chaco's never-ending spat with Swiss, who flipped guilty, he's the obvious choice. I know he would have been my pick!

I don't like some of X1-12's posts. The reaction post I was referring to (dunno about anyone else) was actually your third Day 2 post, where you tried to talk through the situation. It just hit a bad note with me.

So angry. So angry.

 

[Rajam]

Not strong scum candidates by the moment except for one person I'll adress later. Now, some posts:

Eh....that's assuming the Desians aren't just indy partners, keep in mind Swiss DID just say "me and my boy" which is only implying one other person.

Swiss was joking the whole Day 1, I don't even know what can be taken serious and what not. Most likely, the "me and my boy" was one of those jokes (although I agree Hilt being his partner is not unlikely), and we shouldn't take that as much in consideration. Actually, I'm wondering why are you specially taking this Swiss' sentence into account and not all the other scummy stuff he said in his jokes (like the "I'll send my scum buddies to NKill you" and other things like that)

So much rage right now. Summary:

I don't think any Desians left. If not, there is evidence that me, nix, Chaco, Tandora, and Zac are not Desians. Ask me to elaborate on any if you want, I'll go re-re-read the posts. (ARG SO ANNOYED CHROME I HATE YOU WHY DID YOU REFRESH WHY)

I am really, really shocked that Chaco is alive right now. I think we all agree that the night kill was a third faction? Why would they kill Hilt? After Chaco's never-ending spat with Swiss, who flipped guilty, he's the obvious choice. I know he would have been my pick!

I don't like some of X1-12's posts. The reaction post I was referring to (dunno about anyone else) was actually your third Day 2 post, where you tried to talk through the situation. It just hit a bad note with me.

So angry. So angry.

I'd like that resume. I'm interested in what reasons are you following to "clear" those people.

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I'm liking Chaco's play, and I'm not liking Thinkaman and UTDZac. Thinkaman is just WIFOMing with his scum teams theories, and I think he is overall distracting us from scumhunt.

Now:

vote: UTDZac

He promised he would do scumhunt this Day Phase. Your scum picks?

About Hilt: Most likely it wasn't a vigilante. I don't have more solid theories at the moment and I don't want to fall into WIFOM discussions about that either.

 

[Vult Redux]

I forgot you existed in this game Rajam.

...

I'm cool with vult too.

Associated with Swiss? Something else?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Okay, sorry for inactivity, APEX distracted me.

First things first. X1-12, I'm not getting this "pre-empative spotlight switching" accusation that you're making against me. That doesn't seem logical at all. Your assuming that the spotlight would be put on me. Also, by attacking me for that, you're basically attacking me for talking about anything else besides the accusations made towards me a long time ago. That doesn't really give me a fair chance. . .

Besides, by your logic, I could say that everything you say that is not related towards Marshy's vote on you is attempted spotlight switching. See? Not really fair, is it?

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I'm not quite buying into the idea that all of the desians are gone, it would be dangerous to assume so. I'm not denying it, either. So I'm worried that Nix is buying into what Swiss, a confirmed anti-town player, so readily. Also not liking the fact that he was one of the people to jump on Chaco's late Day wagon. It unnerves me, to say the least. fos Nix

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Vult I totally disagree with you that Chaco was a good wagon. It was too late in the Day, and people were jumping on it just because he made some crummy accusation towards Swiss (even though he ended up being correct). Bad hunting happens, doesn't mean someone's scum.

Um. . . I also had some more stuff to say to you Vult but I totally forgot what it was. >.>

Oh yeah, btw guys, Zac is at L_2. We can hold off on the pressure voting now.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh wait...

Nix wasn't on Chaco's wagon. I should of confirmed this earlier, my bad. My fos remains though due to the other accusations I made against him.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Triple post, just noticed this:

I don't think any Desians left. If not, there is evidence that me, nix, Chaco, Tandora, and Zac are not Desians. Ask me to elaborate on any if you want, I'll go re-re-read the posts. (ARG SO ANNOYED CHROME I HATE YOU WHY DID YOU REFRESH WHY).

Oh? There's evidence you're not a desian? Do tell.

 

[Tandora]

I forgot Tandora existed, as well as Rajam. Need more from them.

Chaco, I'm insulted you forgot I'm in this game. -_-

Just got home, tired as hell. Want to put some leftover D1 thoughts. Will do thorough read tomorrow.

X1-12 - I thought he was Swiss's partner when Swiss flipped. I thought his attacks against me when I was pushing for Swiss was scummy with Swiss' flip. Not sure what to think now that Hilt flipped as a Desnian too.

Marshy - Think it's weird that Marshy didn't get NK since he was cleared.

Zac - Normally when a player flips scum after working so hard to get a player lynched, I would say that the accused is cleared. With Swiss as indy, this makes Zac's case a little more murky. I agree I would like to see more scum hunting from him since he's gotten his second chance.

Vult - His comment of "Ask me a question" seemed weird to me at the time. Why should town ask him for questions after he had been relatively quiet. Shouldn't he be scumhunting by asking questions instead of requesting questions when he has no pressure to be the focus of attention?

Random thoughts - I looked up Desnian on the wiki. It says they work on the big bad, Mythos. Could it be possible for three indies and one scum representing that the Desnians work for this fallen hero? Not sure if that would make sense and leery to depend on flavor but the thought crossed my mind and thought I would share it.

A lot of this depends on how much we can trust Swiss' final comment. "Me and my boy". Was that Swiss being spiteful to his partner or was he trying to trick town?

Definitely more tomorrow. Thankfully V/LA is over and I can focus more on the game now.

 

[Thinkaman]

For me, it was that Swiss blindly did his "QT" trap addressed to me. It's a reasonable bet that he actually did have a QT, and it would be asinine to test me if I was aligned with him. What if I was a Desian and actually fell for his self-targetted "trap"? Sacrificing one of their own Day 1 for a questionable advantage is way too much wine for me to swallow. Why not do it to anyone else? It's a pointless risk for him.

Similarly, I don't think Chaco would be aligned with Swiss. Both had nearly unlimited chances to hammer or push to hammer Zac with legitimate reasons and yet gunned for each other.

For Tandora, nix, and Zac there were some posts that made me feel safe about this. Note that I merely don't think these players are Desians. (aligned with Swiss) I'll go find them... again.

Emphasis: I don't think anyone on this list is confirmed town, just unlikely to be Desian aka Swiss's faction.

Repeat Emphasis: I don't think there are any Desians left anyway. Why would a vig kill Hilt? Why would the Desians themselves?

I wouldn't read much into what Swiss said before dying either way. I don't think it's even possible to accurately guess if he was trying to troll us or not, much less derive any sort of truth from it.

I'm liking Chaco's play, and I'm not liking Thinkaman and UTDZac. Thinkaman is just WIFOMing with his scum teams theories, and I think he is overall distracting us from scumhunt.

WTF? I'm distracting us by assuming that the other mafia aren't aligned with Swiss? How is that information a distraction from scumhunting, it is scumhunting!

 

[Thinkaman]

Random thoughts - I looked up Desnian on the wiki. It says they work on the big bad, Mythos. Could it be possible for three indies and one scum representing that the Desnians work for this fallen hero? Not sure if that would make sense and leery to depend on flavor but the thought crossed my mind and thought I would share it.

Careful; I speculated exactly this, and it's apparently a "distraction".

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Uh. . . dude, if you were one of Swiss's partners, then he'll probably tell what he was going to do. >.> That's some pretty lofty "evidence" that you have there to defend yourself with. . .

On top of that, knowing that Swiss loves to hunt his own partners lightly, that makes me a bit more suspicous of you. Also not liking your sudden hammer yesturDay. fos Thinkman

 

[Thinkaman]

How would he tell me what to do?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

hilt and swiss def knew of each other. i think hilts unvoting of swiss was him backing down from a bus. sissy

i also think that were dealing with a 3-man scumteam and hilt/swiss were an indy faction. i think yall should work under this assumption as well. why? cuz thats the least lame setup which is what i expect from gheb plain and simple

riddle i was completely serious about not contacting macman til halfway through d2. id prefer to have him just trudge through the thread and let him do his own thing like he did on d1. i think hes less likelier to become bored that way too. do you agree to that?

lol @ x1-12 saying riddler has done absolutely nothing for town. i guess picking out scum isnt useful

also chacos going after swiss was NOT a bad case at all. people just think it was cuz they werent aware of his meta. miscommunication i think

also cuz of what i said earlier in this post dancers scumhunting SOLELY off of swiss connections bothers me and i think theyre weak

someone take my spot on zac wagon cuz lots of dudes are hating on im. who wants to vote x1-12 with me?

unvote vote x1-12

 

[Thinkaman]

I'd support going for x1-12 over zac today, sure.

vote x1-12

Zac, what do you have to say about Day 2? Let us see the promised scumhunt.

 

[Riddle]

Associated with Swiss? Something else?

More of a gut feeling than anything.

@Marshy

Sure I guess

 

[X1-12]

lol @ x1-12 saying riddler has done absolutely nothing for town. i guess picking out scum isnt useful
someone take my spot on zac wagon cuz lots of dudes are hating on im. who wants to vote x1-12 with me?

unvote vote x1-12

actually I said 2 of the 3 people, I was talking about Zac and you. Not riddle

also totally agree with Nix saying chaco's town list consists of 2 people who have done absolutely nothing for town D1 - what's up with that? I don't call that pro-town

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Things first got strange when I released the Fire Seal. I suddenly didn’t want to eat anything anymore. Even when I did, it didn’t have any taste. I can’t hold anything down when I force myself…so, I haven’t been eating. I never get hungry. Then when I released the next seal, I stopped getting sleepy. I close my eyes, but I just can’t sleep. I haven’t slept at all since then. Then with this seal, I stopped feeling anything.

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Vult Redux -1: Sworddancer
UTDZac - 3: Vult Redux, Nix2100, Rajam
X1-12 - 2: Marshy, Thinkaman

Not voting: X1-12, Dr. Riddler, UTDZac, Tandora, Chaco

Takes 6/11 to lynch!

 

[Riddle]

saying riddler has done absolutely nothing for town. i guess picking out scum isnt useful

actually I said 2 of the 3 people, I was talking about Zac and you. Not riddle

Love ya guys too.

[/useless post]

 

[X1-12]

Vote: UTDZac


yeah I'd like him at L-2

 

[X1-12]

V/LA 10th - 12th August

 

[Riddle]

Oh yeah,

Unvote, Vote: Sworddancer

For that chainsaw defense. I think 3 desians and 1 Mithos seems fairly likely.