TAKE THAT! Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney smashes the prosecution!

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thought this was worth sharing, as pushdustin states, take it with a grain of salt
I'm fine with just knowing who it is. I wouldn't mind the wait. Of course it would all change if Phoenix was FP6.
 
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Also, he continued with this:

I guess this means FP6's announcement trailer is ready. But maybe we would have to wait more to play as him/her than expected.
Also, that meeting with a publisher sounds exciting, another third party character joining in I suppose.

All that I can say is that Phoenix makes it into the game and this is one his moves.



That's gonna be funny and glorious xD.
That would be his recoverh.
 

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So the person who originally mistranslated the Sakurai column to say that Fighter 6 is delayed deleted their tweet, seems like Push Dustin's translation is the reliable one. That means the next fighter might still be on track, but any after will take a bit longer.
 
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So the person who originally mistranslated the Sakurai column to say that Fighter 6 is delayed deleted their tweet, seems like Push Dustin's translation is the reliable one. That means the next fighter might still be on track, but any after will take a bit longer.
Only question is announce-wise or release-wise? Should probably know in less then 24 hours given more will be put out about this.
 

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Only question is announce-wise or release-wise? Should probably know in less then 24 hours given more will be put out about this.
I'm not sure how much the full column will divulge, but if the long rumored Marth 26th Direct happens next week we could get some answers. They might announce Fighter 6 but explain the rest might be on a disrupted schedule, or nothing at all could indicate a delay as Byleth's video was recorded back in Nov. There's very likely not going to be a general May Direct, so they could do a Smash presentation then unless they want for 'E3' which is really just more of a June Direct this year anyway.
 
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why is it controversial?
I believe Acro's whole situation upsetted some people as I heard some question that if he respected the Ring Master so much, why didn't he think twice about trying to kill his daughter. My headcanon is that he was just so distraught and angry from the tragedy that happened that he wasn't thinking straight.
 

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why is it controversial?
2 reasons that i can remember.

The first one is that most of the case is pretty boring to a lot of people, the second one is that characters like Regina, Moe and the puppet who's name I forgot are pretty annoying.

Personally I like the anime adaptation a lot more than the game.
 

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I believe Acro's whole situation upsetted some people as I heard some question that if he respected the Ring Master so much, why didn't he think twice about trying to kill his daughter. My headcanon is that he was just so distraught and angry from the tragedy that happened that he wasn't thinking straight.
yeah thats how i always took it, he was in a lot of pain and it drove him to do something he would never have normally done

2 reasons that i can remember.

The first one is that most of the case is pretty boring to a lot of people, the second one is that characters like Regina, Moe and the puppet who's name I forgot are pretty annoying.

Personally I like the anime adaptation a lot more than the game.
could just be me but that sounds a bit more like nit picking than controversy, but i guess fans do like to sensationalise their complaints on occasion

personally i rather liked that case
 

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Ah, so same as before then, ay ?
pretty much

I didn't hate Turnabout Big Top as a whole, but this guy...

... I hope this guy comes with Phoenix Wright as a Spirit, so I can kick his *** for being the most annoying witness ever.
with him i was mostly surprised by how normal he was compared to most witnesses
 

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why is it controversial?
In forums, lists and polls regarding the worst cases in Ace Attorney 2-3 is mentioned a lot – together with 4-3 probably one of the most disliked cases ever. The reasons: Annoying & unlikeable characters (especially Moe, Regina, Ben and Trilo), illogical resolution of the events of the murder (logic doesn't make sense), punishments for pressing the witness (mentioned above) and tough & lengthy dialogues.

But hey, these are just some concerns from other people that I heard most often so far. I don't really agree with the criticism and think Turnabout Big Top is a decent case with a good story. My friend even likes this case the most out of all cases from AA2.
 
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In forums, lists and polls regarding the worst cases in Ace Attorney 2-3 is mentioned a lot – together with 4-3 probably one of the most disliked cases ever. The reasons: Annoying & unlikeable characters (especially Moe, Regina, Ben and Trilo), illogical resolution of the events of the murder (logic doesn't make sense), punishments for pressing the witness (mentioned above) and tough & lengthy dialogues.

But hey, these are just some concerns from other people that I heard most often so far. I don't really agree with the criticism and think Turnabout Big Top is a decent case with a good story. My friend even likes this case the most out of all cases from AA2.
4-3 is disliked?? That's one of the best cases ever for me.
 
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Yeah, I thought 4-3 was pretty cool overall.
2-3 certainly is one of the few cases in the series where at some points I felt frustrated in a bad way. Also, it wasn't very engaging for me. At the beginning I was really into it and the premise of the circus and all that seemed great. But idk, in the end most of the characters were a bit annoying... specially the ****ing clown lol
I think it offers a good premise but the execution could be better.
 

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In forums, lists and polls regarding the worst cases in Ace Attorney 2-3 is mentioned a lot – together with 4-3 probably one of the most disliked cases ever. The reasons: Annoying & unlikeable characters (especially Moe, Regina, Ben and Trilo), illogical resolution of the events of the murder (logic doesn't make sense), punishments for pressing the witness (mentioned above) and tough & lengthy dialogues.

But hey, these are just some concerns from other people that I heard most often so far. I don't really agree with the criticism and think Turnabout Big Top is a decent case with a good story. My friend even likes this case the most out of all cases from AA2.
which part do they find illogical the kleptomaniac monkey or the motive? also which one is 4-3 again?
 

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Many people bring up 5-DLC as 2-3 done well and much better. Which I have to agree with.

I didn't find the characters annoying. Just how ridiculous the solution to the murder ended up being (Basically a string of extremely unlikely coincidences happening one after the other because why not?).

Confronting Simon in the Berry Big Circus was a very unexpected setting. Those animals didn't have mercy with him.
 

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My main issue with Turnabout Big Top was the fact that the only likeable character was the culprit. Also the fact that this case basically rotates around 3 adult men Bat, Max (who are both in their 20s) and Ben (31, Jesus Christ!) hitting on a teenage girl. But I still think the case gets a lot of unnecessary hate. The Moe thing was unfair but in the grand scheme of things didn't really disadvantage me too much.
 
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My main issue with Turnabout Big Top was the fact that the only likeable character was the culprit. Also the fact that this case basically rotates around 3 adult men Bat, Max (who are both in their 20s) and Ben (31, Jesus Christ!) hitting on a teenage girl. But I still think the case gets a lot of unnecessary hate. The Moe thing was unfair but in the grand scheme of things didn't really disadvantage me too much.
dont you mean acro rather than bat?
 

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which part do they find illogical the kleptomaniac monkey or the motive? also which one is 4-3 again?
4-3 is Turnabout Serenade, the one with the concert. Similarily to 2-3, also in 3-4 the logic is the biggest flaw (and I agree, 4-3 has a lot of plotholes, apart from that the case imo is very enjoyable, though). Regarding the logic in 2-3:
It's mainly how the murder took place - the whole flying-thing (Moe thinking it was Max flying seems a bit unrealistic), pulling the bust up, etc...
... tbh I don't remember the whole details and personally I thought the scenarios were fine, this is only what I heard from other people - if you want to know more about it, just google "Turnabout Big Top hated" and you'll get a lot of threads about this case.

4-3 is disliked?? That's one of the best cases ever for me.
For instance you can take a look at this representative list - hundreds of people rated each case in polls from 1-10 over a timespan of many weeks and out of all 38 cases, 4-3 and 4-2 placed among the 3 worst cases (alongside with 2-1), they were also the only cases that couldn't reach an average score of more than 5/10:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AceAttorney/comments/3uzlhr/rate_that_case_day_39_wrap_up_the_end_for_now/

Here are the full results of the public poll from before SoJ was even out:

1.) I2-5 - 9.38
2.) 2-4 - 9.2
3.) 3-5 - 9.16
4.) 1-4 - 8.82
5.) I2-4 - 8.64
6.) I2-3 - 8.45
7.) 1-5 - 8.44
8.) I2-1 - 8.44
9.) PL-3 - 8.24
10.) 5-D - 8.17
11.) 5-5 - 7.84
12.) I-5 - 7.8
13.) 4-1 - 7.77
14.) I-4 - 7.74
15.) 3-2 - 7.67
16.) 3-4 - 7.64
17.) 2-2 - 7.56
18.) 3-1 - 7.43
19.) I2-2 - 7.37
20.) PL-2 - 7.36
21.) 5-4 - 7.15
22.) 4-4 - 7.11
23.) 1-2 - 6.99
24.) 5-3 - 6.93
25.) 1-3 - 6.65
26.) I-2 - 6.54
27.) 3-3 - 6.43
28.) 1-1 - 6.43
29.) 5-1 - 6.32
30.) I-3 - 6.17
31.) PL-1 - 6.06
32.) I-1 - 5.93
33.) 5-2 - 5.85
34.) PL-4 - 5.75
35.) 4-2 - 5.63
36.) 4-3 - 5
37.) 2-3 - 4.79
38.) 2-1 - 4.54

Game:
AAI2 - 8.46
T&T - 7.67
PW:AA - 7.47
DD - 7.04
PLAA - 6.85
AAI - 6.84
JFA - 6.52
AJ - 6.38


In comparison, here is my PERSONAL ranking from 2017 (excluding PLvsAA and AAI2):

Mediocre:

35.) AA2 The Lost Turnabout (2-1)
34.) AAI Turnabout Visitor (I-1)
33.) AAI The Kidnapped Turnabout (I-3)
32.) AA1 The First Turnabout (1-1)
31.) AA4 Turnabout Serenade (4-3)
30.) AAI Turnabout Airlines (I-2)
29.) AA5 The Monstrous Turnabout (5-2)
28.) AA2 Reunion, and Turnabout (2-2)
27.) AA2 Turnabout Big Top (2-3)

Good:

26.) AAI Turnabout Ablaze (I-5)
25.) AA1 Turnabout Samurai (1-3)
24.) AA5 Turnabout Countdown (5-1)
23.) AA4 Turnabout Corner (4-2)
22.) AA6 The Foreign Turnabout (6-1)
21.) AA3 Recipe for Turnabout (3-3)

Very Good:

20.) AA1 Turnabout Sisters (1-2)
19.) AA3 The Stolen Turnabout (3-2)
18.) AA6 Turnabout Time Traveller (6-6 - DLC)
17.) AA4 Turnabout Trump (4-1)
16.) AAI Turnabout Reminiscence (I-4)
15.) AA5 The Cosmic Turnabout (5-4)

Amazing:

14.) AA3 Turnabout Memories (3-1)
13.) AA6 The Magical Turnabout (6-2)
12.) AA3 Turnabout Beginnings (3-4)
11.) AA6 The Storyteller Turnabout (6-4)
10.) AA4 Turnabout Succession (4-4)
9.) AA6 The Rite of Turnabout (6-3)

Outstanding:

8.) AA5 Turnabout Academy (5-3)
7.) AA5 Turnabout Reclaimed (5-6 - DLC)
6.) AA2 Farewell, My Turnabout (2-4)
5.) AA1 Rise from the Ashes (1-5)
4.) AA5 Turnabout for Tomorrow (5-5)
3.) AA1 Turnabout Goodbyes (1-4)

Almost perfect:

2.) AA6 Turnabout Revolution (6-5)
1.) AA3 Bridge to the Turnabout (3-5)

Games:
10/10: AA6, AA5, AA3
9/10: AA1, PLvsAA
8/10: AA4, AA2
7/10: AAI1
 
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I'm glad turnabout Amnesia is at the bottom of the barrel, there's probably cases that frustrate me more overall, but that thing as a whole feels like such a pointless setup to force you through a tutorial again, and I guess I won't forgive it for introducing us to what's by far my least favorite character in the entire franchise, Maggey. Pretty cool to see I2 cases being pretty well regarded as a whole too, although I feel sorta bad for Steel Samurai, I'd easily classify it above just about any non-I2-post OG trilogy case, love the culprit in it, but I guess Sal Manellas dated 1337 speak is a point against it.
 
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