TAKE THAT! Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney smashes the prosecution!

[SmashSSL]

Two more years of this...
Also it seems the frequency of the announcements will be even lower, since it's 6 characters in 24 months.....

I May Cry

 

[MissingGlitch]

Man. This was a heck of an experience to wake up to, I tell you what. On the plus side, I told myself I wouldn't be angry or disappointed unless it was something that directly undercut Phoenix's chances, and as it was not, I'm feeling pretty chill right about now.

If anything, this just reinforces that Nintendo gives a damn about ties to them, and we know one Capcom rep has a big leg up in that department.

Yes but then again., They are pushing DMC on Switch HARD. When we still have no news on if Ace Attorney 7 even exists.

 

[Flyboy]

I'm pretty optimistic right now!

I was actually really happy with Byleth - Three Houses was one of my favorite games of 2019 and means a lot to me, plus it's nice to see that first parties are on the table - AND Phoenix didn't get costumed! We also have six spots left, and this ALSO shows that it's not always going to be new companies! Phoenix and Dante could both realistically be chosen!

 

[TemporalShrew]

Yes but then again., They are pushing DMC on Switch HARD. When we still have no news on if Ace Attorney 7 even exists.

True, but unless Dante is the first character in the next pass, I don't know if that helps him. DMC3 is the most well-regarded game in the series, and if the PR videos are being honest, DMC5 isn't happening. This would be the perfect time to announce Dante, whereas if it's later and we maybe have DMC4 coming at the time, I'd put his chances at just slightly greater than Resident Evil's were when they got sent to the Spirit Realm, given that a veritable mountain of RE games have come to Switch. They even had that whole surprisingly well-budgeted haunted house trailer for RE ports in a Direct, and... Spirits.

 

[Krankees]

After looking at this pass, I don't know if requests like Master Chief, Sora, or Doomguy seem to be likely anymore. I think the smaller picks like Ryu Hayabusa or Arle have more of a shot.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

and this ALSO shows that it's not always going to be new companies!

I'm a bit confused by this point, did you consider Joker and Hero new companies due to Atlus and Enix?

and if the PR videos are being honest, DMC5 isn't happening. .

No way the Switch can handle DMC5, the downgrades it'd require would likely not be worth it for a port.

After looking at this pass, I don't know if requests like Master Chief, Sora, or Doomguy seem to be likely anymore. I think the smaller picks like Ryu Hayabusa or Arle have more of a shot.

I'd say Doomguy can still happen, the other 2, I agree.

 

[Flyboy]

I'm a bit confused by this point, did you consider Joker and Hero new companies due to Atlus and Enix?

Yes. They had new copyrights added to the scroll at the end. A lot of people were thinking that that may have been relevant, but that proves that's not the case.

 

[Bobthealligator]

One thing I do actually quite like, is that the fingers actually were a cryptic hint.
If you take fingers up as zeroes and down and ones (not that this makes much sense, i'd have thought the other way around) then that is 17 in binary
Three Houses is the 17th FE game.
Also it is pretty funny.

 

[Bobthealligator]

Ok, putting asides the controversial choice, don't the stage assets look kinda ugly? I guess it's sorta faithful to 3H generally less than spectacular graphics, but darn, this looks rushed.

The video was finalised 2 months ago it will probably look a bit better.

 

[WingedSupernova]

Three Houses was my GOTY last year, so ultimately I'm pretty content with this pick (the moveset variety really helped). Phoenix, I think, has a really good shot at being included next pass. He has a lot of close ties to Nintendo, he's quirky and full of personality, and there's only one guy who stands in his way. Granted that dude is half demon and has murdered lots of demons in his life, but Phoenix beat Von Karma. He'll be fine.

 

[Deleted member]

I feel really positive about Wright's chances for the second Fighter Pass!

 

[ThunderSageNun]

I wouldn't worry about Sakurais condition, at least not anymore than the first FP, things seem more spread out between releases this time around if the expected deadline is precise, so they're likely taking more time to work around each pack.
I guess we're likely to hear whose next on E3, I'm not feeling a dual reveal like last year as there's more time to stretch out releases this time around.

 

[Deleted member]

Pheonix Wright has my support Ace Attorney is awesome!

 

[ThunderSageNun]

Not gonna lie, for a moment when they started talking about the future of the game, I thought they were about to reveal 2 whole seasons ahead instead of a slightly longer one, would have been nuts if they did so.

 

[KirbyMonadoBoy]

I'm just glad that Phoenix survived all Mii costume deconfirmation waves so far. Very happy about the new fighter pass season, however I would have been even happier if Sakurai announced an Echo-pass (for instance 4 new fighters with one Echo each). Phoenix + Apollo (or some other AA-char) would just make so much sense. I just hope we don't get another Pokémon. There are other series like The Legend of Zelda who deserve another rep way more.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

I just hope we don't get another Pokémon.

I want to say that won't happen, but honestly after today, the most I can say it might not be a gen 8 one cause gen 9 might already be in the works so Sakurai and the rest of the team would rather work on that instead. Other franchises needing another rep or a rep at all clearly means jack if FE can get all these jank despite being fairly low tier for a while, and even nowadays I wouldn't call it more profitable than something like Kirby. It's definitely not one of Nintendo golden geese contrary to what some might say post Awakening.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Yes, finally, I knew we wouldn't necessarily just get third-parties!

I'm confused about something though, what happened to the DMC3 news we were supposed to get today?

Not gonna lie, for a moment when they started talking about the future of the game, I thought they were about to reveal 2 whole seasons ahead instead of a slightly longer one, would have been nuts if they did so.

It would be a tad impolite to get ahead of one's self. Patience is a virtue I'd say, I can expect at least one more season after this.

Also, I'm cool with Gen 9 if the final evo is as cool as Intelleon and Cinderace were. In the meantime though we should definitely at least get a few first-parties from Ninty's other series in the meantime, especially if third party options keep dropping like flies.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Yes, finally, I knew we wouldn't necessarily just get third-parties!

I'm confused about something though, what happened to the DMC3 news we were supposed to get today?

The DMC news was apparently just a tease for being able to switch styles on the fly, I think?

Also, I really don't understand why people think Byleth helps the case for first parties. I think we're in the exact same spot as before, frankly.

 

[Lazyrex]

Yes, finally, I knew we wouldn't necessarily just get third-parties!

I'm confused about something though, what happened to the DMC3 news we were supposed to get today?



It would be a tad impolite to get ahead of one's self. Patience is a virtue I'd say, I can expect at least one more season after this.

Also, I'm cool with Gen 9 if the final evo is as cool as Intelleon and Cinderace were. In the meantime though we should definitely at least get a few first-parties from Ninty's other series in the meantime, especially if third party options keep dropping like flies.

I think the DMC 3 news was that style switching on the fly was coming to DMC 3

 

[Jomosensual]

The DMC news was apparently just a tease for being able to switch styles on the fly, I think?

Also, I really don't understand why people think Byleth helps the case for first parties. I think we're in the exact same spot as before, frankly.

I think it helps them a little bit, but not so much that there's going to be a ton of them. 3H got in because it had plenty of content to use for music, stages, and spirits that weren't already in use. I dont think today did anything to help the likes of BWD or Dixie Kong. It did help someone like Elma or Rillaboom.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

In any case, I don't think we'll get every third party in the universe either, since they have no problems consigning them to events and costumes if they don't make the cut somehow. What we have to look out for is whether any of the next ones were ballot-influenced.

The biggest question mark right now is whether Metroid Prime 4 factors into any of this.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

It would be a tad impolite to get ahead of one's self. Patience is a virtue I'd say, I can expect at least one more season after this.

I kinda got the impression that this was the last DLC for Smash Bros Ultimate.

Considering it's extending DLC to the end of 2021 and the way they added in a sixth character feels like the sixth character was the "stretch" to put in as many characters as possible before the end.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I think it helps them a little bit, but not so much that there's going to be a ton of them. 3H got in because it had plenty of content to use for music, stages, and spirits that weren't already in use. I dont think today did anything to help the likes of BWD or Dixie Kong. It did help someone like Elma or Rillaboom.

I... disagree, actually. Elma could be promoted, since she's a base game Spirit, but there's already some XCX content in the game. Rillaboom is even worse off, because the SwSh Spirits are DLC.

Three Houses had zero content in Ultimate prior to this Challenger Pack. And since it's been confirmed that FP2 will also come with stages and music, I don't really think it helps games that already have content in Ultimate. So even if we do get a few promotions, I don't think there will be many.

 

[Krankees]

At this point, I'll take any representation I can get even if it's not Phoenix being a fighter.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

Got beat by the style switching part but

It would be a tad impolite to get ahead of one's self. Patience is a virtue I'd say, I can expect at least one more season after this.

I have my doubts given how this season seems like it'll span a whole 2 years~ish with only one extra character compared to the current one, but only time will tell, 3 years past the release date is a lot of time to support a game after all.

Also, I really don't understand why people think Byleth helps the case for first parties. I think we're in the exact same spot as before, frankly.

Probably because we got a 1st party DLC post , which makes sense honestly, I do think jomosensual comment regarding stages and music is compelling as to what might not look so likely regarding 1st parties however.

In any case, I don't think we'll get every third party in the universe either, since they have no problems consigning them to events and costumes if they don't make the cut somehow. What we have to look out for is whether any of the next ones were ballot-influenced.

The biggest question mark right now is whether Metroid Prime 4 factors into any of this.

oh for sure, there's no way Smash would ever cover every single 3rd party dev or franchise throughout its lifespan, significant or not, and the spirit events definitely puts at risk a lot of potential guest characters.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Oh whatever, just wait for the pass to end before assuming when the end comes. I've been through this song and dance twice already and don't feel like arguing about this yet again.

At least the fan rule of first-parties getting jack in terms of major DLC content for this got broken. Baby steps.

For what it's worth, Sak will remain diligent until he's ready to say "that's it, we're closing up shop". With periodic work breaks, of course.

 

[TemporalShrew]

I honestly can't imagine how or why they would spend two years on this round of DLC. I don't expect another one after it, but from a marketing perspective, letting your one-year-old game get two years older and only releasing content half as often after your first pass does earth-shatteringly well, when hype is the entire driving force of Smash, strikes me as... odd.

More likely to me is that that's a placeholder date, either because they didn't like having such an early deadline this time, or because they just have no idea when they want that deadline to be yet.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

More likely to me is that that's a placeholder date, either because they didn't like having such an early deadline this time, or because they just have no idea when they want that deadline to be yet.

That seems logical. I mean, these guys go ahead of schedule to the point that early September counts as Summer.

 

[ThunderSageNun]

I honestly can't imagine how or why they would spend two years on this round of DLC. I don't expect another one after it, but from a marketing perspective, letting your one-year-old game get two years older and only releasing content half as often after your first pass does earth-shatteringly well, when hype is the entire driving force of Smash, strikes me as... odd.

More likely to me is that that's a placeholder date, either because they didn't like having such an early deadline this time, or because they just have no idea when they want that deadline to be yet.

maybe they feel these characters/stages will be more complex to develop, maybe they just want to take it easier in developing these characters (lord knows how much crunch might go behind the scenes of a Smash game). It could be a placeholder date, but I don't think it's impossible they're going with a slower pace either.

 

[TemporalShrew]

That seems logical. I mean, these guys go ahead of schedule to the point that early September counts as Summer.

In much the same way as January has counted as February. Practically twice! These dates are all clearly very meaningful.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

In the meantime, we probably won't have too long to know about FP6 at least, depending on when that one was started on.

 

[Leotsune]

I honestly can't imagine how or why they would spend two years on this round of DLC. I don't expect another one after it, but from a marketing perspective, letting your one-year-old game get two years older and only releasing content half as often after your first pass does earth-shatteringly well, when hype is the entire driving force of Smash, strikes me as... odd.

More likely to me is that that's a placeholder date, either because they didn't like having such an early deadline this time, or because they just have no idea when they want that deadline to be yet.

They need a lot of time to craft Nick's moveset and make A LOT of new animations just for him.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

As long as it doesn't take half a year, I could wait for that.

 

[fogbadge]

I'm just glad that Phoenix survived all Mii costume deconfirmation waves so far.

i never got the mii costume deconfirm thing, i mean theres several playable characters with mii costumes

In the meantime, we probably won't have too long to know about FP6 at least, depending on when that one was started on.

wouldnt surprise if we dont hear anything til e3

 

[ThunderSageNun]

i never got the mii costume deconfirm thing, i mean theres several playable characters with mii costumes



wouldnt surprise if we dont hear anything til e3

I think most of the mii costumes from characters already playable where remnants from Smash 4 1st party characters? And a few more general things like Links tunic. I think the gist is that if a costume themed after a character not playable in the game is added it's meant as some sort of consolation prize that they weren't made full fighters or something (which is very much the role of miis being customizable avatars and whatnot).

 

[fogbadge]

I think most of the mii costumes from characters already playable where remnants from Smash 4 1st party characters? And a few more general things like Links tunic. I think the gist is that if a costume themed after a character not playable in the game is added it's meant as some sort of consolation prize that they weren't made full fighters or something (which is very much the role of miis being customizable avatars and whatnot).

it just seems like a bizarre double standard, if the whole point of them was consolation prizes why bother keeping the ones for playable characters?

 

[ThunderSageNun]

it just seems like a bizarre double standard, if the whole point of them was consolation prizes why bother keeping the ones for playable characters?

I guess the asset is there and they feel no need to scrap it, doesn't explain why the same couldn't happen with AT.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

If we get nothing next Direct, what are the chances we'll get a duo at E3?

 

[ThunderSageNun]

If we get nothing next Direct, what are the chances we'll get a duo at E3?

likely-ish as I imagine they'd want to get about half of this new fighters pass out by 2020 at the very least, and if the December 2021 is just a placeholder then they could very well churn out one more throughout that year.

 

[3BitSaurus]

If we get nothing next Direct, what are the chances we'll get a duo at E3?

Pretty high, I'd say, even if we do get something before E3. Historically, I think every E3 that had Smash had more than one reveal.

That said... not gonna rain on anyone's parade, but... boy, did today make me lose hope for Phoenix...