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()& You know, I never actually thought there'd be a day where I'd get to downvote these two, since they always got these really minuscule and negligible nerfs, but they actually got nerfed for realsies this time. I believe that he's solidly Tier 5 material. I think that because of this patch's changes, Zelda deserves to go up now. I'm so jealous right now. Her placement in next-to-bottom tier was already kind of sketchy to me personally, and now with the latest buffs I find it really hard to believe she actually belongs there.
!), kill confirms and the amazing neutral all outfitted to do so. Just watch.
her lightweight and a recovery that does no damage holds her back. she's definitely top 3 though.
Nair/FAir to bouncing fish, needles to bouncing fish, edgeguards and FThrow still puts opponents in a bad spot to get read and killed.
I agree with everything you said except for Diddy and Mewtwo having the best Fairs. Gunner's fair is better than both of those fairs because of the range, safety and versatility of the move. It is a transcendent projectile that only has 12 frames of landing lag (this low lag combined with the move's great range makes it safe on perfect shielding), and it is also combos into many of Gunner's moves (these combos are listed in the mii gunner true combo and follow up thread). Gunner also gets the ability to gundash for a good boost in mobility (it gives the speed of a falcon kick without any landing lag) and recovery. Since sheik's fair got nerfed, I think that Mii Gunner's fair is the best fair in the game.I'm also adamant in the belief Diddy can be top 5. He has the mobility, frame data, the best fair in the game (tied with
or. If its bayo, i will happily drop her, but if its Rosa, yeah no.
Probably Rosa for the momentSo, after the nerfs who does everyone think is the best character? I think it is either
Well Zero said on twitter that its bayo, dabuz said that rosa cloud and bayo are the top 3 for him, but patch is too early but Shiek is for sure not the best character anymore in my opinion.
Yeaaaaa Dabuz knows his stuff.
Kinda. Sheik destroyed his viability, and she was nerfed
But, like, does the removal of that one awful MU (or mitigation of it) even go so far as to move him up places? If so, this could be a good time to pick up Greninja.
He also got grab buffs and others iirc. I think this is good for him, but we will see. Btw, when is Pound?
I was reading a bit on Greninja boards and apparently B-air locks are much easier now and SHFF F-airs are amazing now. Pretty sweet. This and the Sheik nerf is inspiring me to try Grenina again.
I have been studying some videos this morning, without throw kills Sheik is going to struggle killing until a stray fair at 170%+ consistently.. Sit in shield and there is nothing you can do (comparing to fox, at least fox can shield poke with dair to get the kill or uthrow to catch them with uair or a really strong bair) she is definitely one of, if not the best character in the game, needs to be tier 1 up air and luma. looks like her buffs will make her a much better character He gets blurry when he runs he is that fast. Enough said.
. damage nerfs did great things for Corrin's already great combo game, and counter is insignificant anyway.
Tyrant, Leo, and Ito don't use the up air to up b combos much, they use it a few times in a set, like never more than 5 basicially. The only person dropping Meta Knight is Abadango (Assuming, since that's all Abadango uses of Meta Knight)+1
People are really overreacting to these nerfs. Shiek still has a fantastic neutral, camping game, incredible spacing and edgeguard tools, an amazing recovery, and still has all her kill confirms not related to throws. Shiek can KO you without a problem off of FAir.
FAir. If they shield it, it's free pressure anyway.
I think as time goes by Shiek mains will adapt to no throw KOs and things will be just as normal and she'll still be the best character in the game.
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These nerfs, however...Meta Knight is right back to being as overlooked as he was at the beginning of Smash 4. I can't see even the most loyal top MK players sticking with him now.
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It hurts shiek when the best player says she no longer number 1. But thats all he said on twittwr+1
People are really overreacting to these nerfs. Shiek still has a fantastic neutral, camping game, incredible spacing and edgeguard tools, an amazing recovery, and still has all her kill confirms not related to throws. Shiek can KO you without a problem off of FAir.
FAir. If they shield it, it's free pressure anyway.
I think as time goes by Shiek mains will adapt to no throw KOs and things will be just as normal and she'll still be the best character in the game.
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These nerfs, however...Meta Knight is right back to being as overlooked as he was at the beginning of Smash 4. I can't see even the most loyal top MK players sticking with him now.
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Replaxing my Kirby vote with a Rosalina up vote due to the new balance patch.-11:
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