Work In Progress SWF Community Voted Tier List - 3.0 COMPLETE

[wedl!!]

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[apparently fuz]

-1 - Few results, ESAM's placements have been slipping. Range issues against the new characters. Killing issues. Hard to see based on results how he can be in the top 10 anymore.
-1 - I don't see how she can be #2 anymore after the nerf and the promise Bayo and Cloud are showing currently.

Up-b nerf didn't really hurt ZSS that much, since the whole reason that the ladder combo kills off the top is because ZSS drags you to the blast zone with u-air. It only made up-b OoS slightly less potent as it kills slightly later now (5% or something around there).

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[Axel311]

Up-b nerf didn't really hurt ZSS that much, since the whole reason that the ladder combo kills off the top is because ZSS drags you to the blast zone with u-air. It only made up-b OoS slightly less potent as it kills slightly later now (5% or something around there).

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Yeah it wasn't that big a deal. But the main reason I have ZSS dropping is not because of her it's more because of how well Cloud and Bayo are performing.

 

[Thecombosetups]

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[Wintermelon43]

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-1Gonna wait to fill this out until I'm in a really good mood, right now I can't fill this one in without getting myself infracted.

-1Bad Frame Data, Slow in general, bad throws and grab, bad recovery, terrible matchup spread (Apart from his advantage aganist Villager), generally poor moveset, and extremely overrated.

+1Both good in terms of results and theory, just that matchups aren't the best. Great results in southeast USA due to Scatt. His pellets and projectiles are all great, he has great KO Power, good moveset in general, extremely underrated, etc. and have the same problem but is a little better so he gets the vote

+1Probably the best character now since Sheik and ZSS were nerfed

+1Theory, matchups, and results suggest he could be higher, at least above Ryu and Pikachu (lol)

 

[Ze Diglett]

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+1(Just saying, a character with both a combo throw and a super strong kill throw probably shouldn't be this low)

 

[DMWN]

The tier list looks like a big middle finger with that gigantic tier 5.

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Let's break up that 5th tier, like half of them should move up to 4.

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[IndigoSSB]

The tier list looks like a big middle finger with that gigantic tier 5.

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Let's break up that 5th tier, like half of them should move up to 4.

 

[Deleted member]

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-1Gonna wait to fill this out until I'm in a really good mood, right now I can't fill this one in without getting myself infracted.

-1Bad Frame Data, Slow in general, bad throws and grab, bad recovery, terrible matchup spread (Apart from his advantage aganist Villager), generally poor moveset, and extremely overrated.

+1Both good in terms of results and theory, just that matchups aren't the best. Great results in southeast USA due to Scatt. His pellets and projectiles are all great, he has great KO Power, good moveset in general, extremely underrated, etc. and have the same problem but is a little better so he gets the vote

+1Good matchup spread in general (Even aganist , three top tiers, and for high tiers, even aganist and advantage aganist ), good aierals, great tilts (Espicially up tilt), can copy moves with inhale, great throws, has no killing problems now due to up throw, great edgeguarding, good results from Mikekirby and occasionally Smashg0d, good smashes. I could see him being a few spots higher, but I mainly don't want him to go down next time.

+1Theory, matchups, and results suggest he could be higher, at least above Ryu and Pikachu (lol)

How does Kirby beat R.O.B. or Wario at all?

 

[Wintermelon43]

How does Kirby beat R.O.B. or Wario at all?

I said they go even, not advantage.

 

[Deleted member]

I said they go even, not advantage.

They don't go even either.

 

[Wintermelon43]

They don't go even either.

Rob is even because Kirby can get lasers, Kirby can gimp him really hard, and mostly, Kirby can combo him really hard due to his big hurtbox

Wario is even because Kirby can get Chomp and Wario has trouble getting Kirby to stop attacking him when Kirby DOES get in, and because of this, Kirby racks damage up well

 

[T4ylor]

- (minus)PikachuGreninjaWarioYoshiBowser

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Because everyone else finds this tier 5 yo much...


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[HerpFish]

And once again I forgot to vote for a long time.
+I have long said that people overrate him, but this is too low for my liking.
+Should be closer to Marth. Not having a tipper is not worth an entire tier of difference, especially a tier as big as what currently exists. Why is this still a problem? Especially after the buffs...
+I'm not sure if I missed something happening that made Olimar this low, so feel free to correct me if this is blatantly wrong.
-Good, but not as good as those in the same tier.
-Worse than Greninja in my mind, but still up there. I feel like both should be slightly behind Yoshi and Wario at this point.

 

[Stick Dude]

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[valakmtnsmash4]

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[L1N3R1D3R]

+1 With Sheik, ZSS, and Bayo being nerfed but her being untouched, I could see her being the best character in the game.
+1 Seriously, what aren't you guys understanding about Pac-Man's capability? Setups and zoning galore, and e got lots of good buffs in 1.1.5: His smashes and B-air kill earlier, his early N-air has less landing lag, and his grab is much less laggy and is disjointed.
+1 Gyro + great grab and kill confirm + flexible recovery + amazing up smash and up air = mid-high at least.
+1 After buffs, he's definitely mid tier.
+1 Seriously, who downvoted him from Tier 4? That's the perfect place for him.

Would downvote and , but both are already being done to death, and they shouldn't move more than a tier down.


EDIT: Changed upvote to upvote because of the patch.

 

[Xandercosm]

he is in that massive group of (semi) viable character. I just don't think be longs there. He's not that good.

Well, you're overlooking a character with quite a bit of potential. I'm not saying he's great or anything but he's not terrible. Also, the 4BR Tier List had him in 30th place, I think. Not that that thing was accurate but I would put him somewhere around there myself.

 

[Djmarcus44]

+1 Guest size any moveset Brawler has more tournament wins than half of the cast even though it is not allowed in most tournaments.
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+ 1 Gunner gets a great landing option in bomb drop and an improved combo game from grenades, missiles, and bombs.
+1 Swordfighter gets a really good punish game with chakram.
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[Nidtendofreak]

- 4 Corrin
+1 Lucina

 

[Eight_SixtyFour]

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[ShadowGuy1]

- 4 Corrin
+1 Lucina

You can't minus 4 someone

 

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Pikachu to tier 6? Honestly not but if you guys are going to down vote him so much but he's still honestly a good character. He should be at the very least 25th.

 

[Jeronado]

Welp, just gonna get the ball rolling

-1 This character was really good cause he had lots of jank and now that jank is gone. Probably Mid tier now. RIP Batball... I'll still main you...

Hmm, maybe high tier

 

[Stick Dude]

Stop voting Pika down, he's already going down a tier or two.

 

[Bowserboy3]

Well then, with 1.1.5 being released, and most of the characters around her being buffed, I think it's safe to say Jigglypuff is shaping up to be the worst character. Both Zelda and Ganon got buffs, and others like Palutena also got buffs, yet Jiggs continues to get no buffs (as of this post, though it's looking unlikely).

http://smashboards.com/threads/1-1-5-patch-notes.433162/

With that, I'm off to the Sheik boards, with my salt shield ready... heh heh heh...

 

[ShadowGuy1]

Dawwww they nerfed Corrin more than the dlc character getting results

 

[Fex13]

Dawwww they nerfed Corrin more than the dlc character getting results

corrins nerfs arent bad at all and dont affect her placing as a character. all that really changed is that uair kills later und dragon lunge kill confirms from neutral b are harder to pull off.
but she has longer and easier combo strings now.

 

[Xandercosm]

Well, my life is over. Please, just shoot me... Just ****ing shoot me now... Why, god? WHY?! MK was so young! WHY DID YOU HAVE TO TAKE HIM?! HE WAS SO YOUNG!!!

 

[Bowserboy3]

Well, my life is over. Please, just shoot me... Just ****ing shoot me now... Why, god? WHY?! MK was so young! WHY DID YOU HAVE TO TAKE HIM?! HE WAS SO YOUNG!!!

What exactly changed about Meta Knight?

From what I am hearing, it doesn't change him up much.

 

[Xandercosm]

What exactly changed about Meta Knight?

From what I am hearing, it doesn't change him up much.

Pretty much no more U-air -> death combos. At the very least, they are MUCH harder, MUCH more situational, MUCH more vulnerable to DI, and MUCH more risky.

 

[Bowserboy3]

Pretty much no more U-air -> death combos. At the very least, they are MUCH harder, MUCH more situational, MUCH more vulnerable to DI, and MUCH more risky.

From what I heard though, the angle change makes the DI of the move much more predictable. It's harder to DI into from Meta Knight, meaning most opponents will be DI'ing away now, meaning Meta Knight can predict the DI easier. In theory, that is at least a positive change.

 

[Xandercosm]

You can read what everyone on the MK boards has to say about it here.

 

[Munomario777]

While it does make the DI more predictable... it also makes the DI much more of a combo-breaker. It sends them forward a lot more, and less vertical distance, so if the foe DIs forward, then they're out of reach of the uair – so your combo is broken.

Buuut according to the MK boards ('d by Xander), MK now has kill combos off the side to replace his ones off the top. Interesting change, I like it.

 

[Xandercosm]

While it does make the DI more predictable... it also makes the DI much more of a combo-breaker. It sends them forward a lot more, and less vertical distance, so if the foe DIs forward, then they're out of reach of the uair – so your combo is broken.

Buuut according to the MK boards ('d by Xander), MK now has kill combos off the side to replace his ones off the top. Interesting change, I like it.

Yeah. All of a sudden, I'm not so sad. He now has some ridiculous combos at the side blastzone. Plus, his new F-air is amazing for tech chases.

 

[TimG57867]

While it does make the DI more predictable... it also makes the DI much more of a combo-breaker. It sends them forward a lot more, and less vertical distance, so if the foe DIs forward, then they're out of reach of the uair – so your combo is broken.

Buuut according to the MK boards ('d by Xander), MK now has kill combos off the side to replace his ones off the top. Interesting change, I like it.

True, but if Tyrant knows his stuff, those aren't guarenteed either:

https://twitter.com/NMEtyrant/status/709992810410287109

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Shiek and ZSS being nerfed is the best tll tier nerf to happen since Diddy Kong's

 

[TimG57867]

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Don't get me wrong. They're still probably good, (especially ZSS) but I don't think they're good enough to have their own tier anymore. Also a couple more:

+ Unlike the other 3 in the bottom, he has actual solo-run results. (Again, B.E.A.S.T 6 anyone?)
+ I think Charizard is on par with the tier above. It's just that his player base is nonexistent.
+ I think he's been downvoted too much.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

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Don't get me wrong. They're still probably good, (especially ZSS) but I don't think they're good enough to have their own tier anymore.

RIP to the top tiers