Work In Progress SWF Community Voted Tier List - 3.0 COMPLETE

[Routa]

Oh a troll? Xandercosm I found you a new play mate. Meet F FoxBrawler269 .

 

[FoxBrawler269]

Oh a troll? Xandercosm I found you a new play mate. Meet F FoxBrawler269 .

Is this how you treat new members? I bet this Xandercosm is a great guy. You sound like a troll to me.

 

[Xandercosm]

Oh a troll? Xandercosm I found you a new play mate. Meet F FoxBrawler269 .

YAY!

 

[valakmtnsmash4]

Is this how you treat new members? I bet this Xandercosm is a great guy. You sound like a troll to me.

Oh, you are new.
that's why

 

[TDK]

Omg Shiek should not be at the top. He is the worst. He is so friggin cheap. All he ever does is side B and down air. I don't know what game you guys are playing, but it's not the same one I'm playing.

I'm not sure what game you're playing if you think Sheik isn't at the top, but it's obviously not the same game we are talking about right now. In fact, Side B and Down Air are Sheik's worst moves. Stop trolling.

 

[Bowserboy3]

...what even am I reading? Ok, so steering back on topic...

Obviously I have stated my opinion that I think Ryu could potentially be in tier 1 now, but a tier 2 position would still be respectable.

Other than that, I don't think any other character from our current tier 2 deserves to be up there with Sheik, Pika, ZSS and Rosalina.

 

[Munomario777]

Omg Shiek should not be at the top. He is the worst. He is so friggin cheap. All he ever does is side B and down air. I don't know what game you guys are playing, but it's not the same one I'm playing.

Clearly.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

Omg Shiek should not be at the top. He is the worst. He is so friggin cheap. All he ever does is side B and down air. I don't know what game you guys are playing, but it's not the same one I'm playing.

This guy is playing smash 5 where sheik is bottom tier

 

[Super Smash Fanatic]

+1 Ryu
-1 Peach
+1 DK,
+1 Roy
+1 WFT
+1 Little Mac
+1 Dr. Mario
+1 Ganondorf

 

[ShadowGuy1]

Omg yes he is

Sorry for double post but sheik is Zelda so sheik is a girl

 

[Xandercosm]

Shiek suks!!1 even wors then ryu

 

[IndigoSSB]

I like how this thread got derailed by a single troll. He should go fishing more often, cause you're all taking his bait lol.

 

[TDK]

+1 Ryu
-1 Peach
+1 DK,
+1 Roy
+1 WFT
+1 Little Mac
+1 Dr. Mario
+1 Ganondorf

That's not how it works. We have a set group of characters in one tier. In this case:



You can order these in any way you like, and you have 2 votes, which can go +1 [character in the current tier], which would bump them up to the next tier above them, or -1 [character in current tier] which drops them to the tier below, and you cannot vote for any character in a locked tier.

Also, F FoxBrawler269 - you forgot Diddy Kong completely.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

Shiek suks!!1 even wors then ryu

Correction: worse than the new God in smash 5 Mega UltranCharizard Z

 

[Xandercosm]

I like how this thread got derailed by a single troll. He should go fishing more often, cause you're all taking his bait lol.

But he was right. Sheik is probably the worst character in the game cause he's so annoying.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

But he was right. Sheik is probably the worst character in the game cause he's so annoying.

I made another mistake the new God is you xandercosm

Ok back on track lets talk about sonic

 

[Xandercosm]

 

[TDK]

I would not be surprised if a moderator deleted the last one and a half pages of posts.

 

[Opossum]

Any more spam posts, or posts responding to spam posts, will be given infractions.

 

[Golden Rainbow]

2:

2:

Sonic +1, Yoshi +1.

 

[TDK]

2:

Sonic +1, Yoshi +1.

You think that Sonic and Yoshi should be in the same tier as Sheik, Rosalina, Pikachu, and ZSS? Sonic, Maybe, Yoshi, no.

 

[TimG57867]

+1 Ryu
-1 Peach
+1 DK,
+1 Roy
+1 WFT
+1 Little Mac
+1 Dr. Mario
+1 Ganondorf

On top of what TDK said, the character who gets the highest +1 score will go up while the one with the most -1 will go down. Unless 2 characters tie and blow the rest out of the water, only one will go up and down respecitively. Therefore, you can also use your votes as counters. You can vote a character down if you don't want them to go to tier 1 and you can vote them up if you don't want them to end up in tier 3. Thus it's important to not just vote based on your own opinion but also look at what many others are doing. For instance, already seems to have a ton of -1s, so if you want to him to drop, you should probably save your vote for something else unless he suddenly gets a ton of upvotes. Hope that makes it clear.

 

[Xandercosm]

You think that Sonic and Yoshi should be in the same tier as Sheik, Rosalina, Pikachu, and ZSS? Sonic, Maybe, Yoshi, no.

Yoshi was probably a counter...

 

[TDK]

Yoshi was probably a counter...

Eh, good point.

 

[FoxBrawler269]

Edit: Nevermind

 

[NotEvenAmatueR]

Hello all. I decided to make my first contribution to this thread. I apologize if I do something wrong. My order for tier 2 is...



Mario- amazing combos, edgegaurding tools, and frame data allow Mario to take advantage of so many situations and do well.
Fox-Incredibly nimble and precise. I would put him in tier 1 if he had just slightly better kill options.
Sonic-Amazing because of his speed and manuverability, however, he sometimes has projectile problems.
Ryu- Basic neutral game and not 100% the best frame data, but insane kill options and tools that allow him to stand out among the top tiers.
Diddy Kong- The best neutral game in the entire cast, and tons of momentum jerkiness that sometimes makes him hard to deal with.
Yoshi- No real results, but he has amazing frame data and aerial speed, as well as an amazing projectile that helps with his combos.
Ness- He has amazing frame data, and is a great all-around character, however, his recovery holds him back a ton, especially against Rosalina and Sheik.

As for Viability:
Mario: +1
Yoshi: +1 (Counter Vote)

No other votes needed. I am not trying to move Mario up because of main bias, but I do think he can work in tier 1.

 

[Golden Rainbow]

You think that Sonic and Yoshi should be in the same tier as Sheik, Rosalina, Pikachu, and ZSS? Sonic, Maybe, Yoshi, no.

I'm taking my local metagame into account, where one of the best players in the country is a Sonic main (aside from the other already good Sonic mains) and we have insane amounts of Yoshis bringing trouble to the brackets. They bring top-tier tournament performance to the table, so my chips are on them.

The problem is that Sonic is much more common (along with Sonic mains having a trend in character loyalty that stems from Brawl) in any player level and any scenario, while some competitive scenarios barely have good Yoshis at all (e.g. Japan where Yoshidora is one of the best players out there and USA that barely sees any Yoshis in mid-high level)

 

[Nessimator]

-1

 

[aεrgiα]

sanic is basically a "u either think he is top tier or u dont" character, since most people should know his strengths and weaknesses, but what do u all think about diddy, i think he could actually be top 5 again with the current patch, his neutral is great. his banana is amazing, hes got absolutely no trouble killing(similar to ryu), just look at banana setups and dtilt to usmash, hes got a strong throw game, his least used move is probably nair, a move which is far from being bad, his dtilt is stupid now with the shield changes, his aerials are crazy good, hes got a good movement option with side b, which is also a command grab, i want to say his up b is pretty gimpable(which it is) but it still shouldnt be underestimated, i was watching nakats stream a while ago when zero was there and he did some crazy stuff with that recovery to avoid getting gimped by nakats pika. whilst his peanut gun isnt an amazing projectile, its better than having none. the hoo hah may not be as stupid as it used to be, but ive seen enough high level games where diddy players kill with it to know: its still there, not as potent but still there. so....

Opinions?

 

[Xandercosm]

sanic is basically a "u either think he is top tier or u dont" character, since most people should know his strengths and weaknesses, but what do u all think about diddy, i think he could actually be top 5 again with the current patch, his neutral is great. his banana is amazing, hes got absolutely no trouble killing(similar to ryu), just look at banana setups and dtilt to usmash, hes got a strong throw game, his least used move is probably nair, a move which is far from being bad, his dtilt is stupid now with the shield changes, his aerials are crazy good, hes got a good movement option with side b, which is also a command grab, i want to say his up b is pretty gimpable(which it is) but it still shouldnt be underestimated, i was watching nakats stream a while ago when zero was there and he did some crazy stuff with that recovery to avoid getting gimped by nakats pika. whilst his peanut gun isnt an amazing projectile, its better than having none. the hoo hah may not be as stupid as it used to be, but ive seen enough high level games where diddy players kill with it to know: its still there, not as potent but still there. so....

Opinions?

Mah Monekh is back! WOO!!!

 

[Golden Rainbow]

sanic is basically a "u either think he is top tier or u dont" character, since most people should know his strengths and weaknesses, but what do u all think about diddy, i think he could actually be top 5 again with the current patch, his neutral is great. his banana is amazing, hes got absolutely no trouble killing(similar to ryu), just look at banana setups and dtilt to usmash, hes got a strong throw game, his least used move is probably nair, a move which is far from being bad, his dtilt is stupid now with the shield changes, his aerials are crazy good, hes got a good movement option with side b, which is also a command grab, i want to say his up b is pretty gimpable(which it is) but it still shouldnt be underestimated, i was watching nakats stream a while ago when zero was there and he did some crazy stuff with that recovery to avoid getting gimped by nakats pika. whilst his peanut gun isnt an amazing projectile, its better than having none. the hoo hah may not be as stupid as it used to be, but ive seen enough high level games where diddy players kill with it to know: its still there, not as potent but still there. so....

Opinions?

Pretty good summary on Diddy. It doesn't really matter if he's top 5 or not since every character on 1 and 2 is a very competitive choice, but he really deserves his place at the top echelon. Just let the meta develop before you talk about "top X", it's just not that clear cut yet.

 

[NotEvenAmatueR]

Also, as a followup to my previous post, here is my order for tier 1. I apologize if this is considered double posting.



Would put at 5 if he was here.

Sheik: You already know.
Pikachu: Small and hard to hit, with great combos, a safe and excellent recovery, safe moves, and outstanding juggle-game and neutral game.
ZSS: Best punish game in the entire game, and she would be 2 if she didn't have a tether grab and had a better neutral.
Rosalina: Rosalina is amazing in most aspects, and she goes to mid-tier at worst when she loses Luma. If her matchups against certain characters like Captain Falcon, Meta Knight, and Pit were better, she could be top 3.

 

[Munomario777]

NotEvenAmatueR

It's only double posting if you post twice in a row, with no one else posting in between. You're fine.

Although, I'd hold off voting for tier one until it actually starts; your vote might not count if you post it too early (by virtue of being less easy to find).

 

[Dcas]

Also, as a followup to my previous post, here is my order for tier 1. I apologize if this is considered double posting.



Would put at 5 if he was here.

Sheik: You already know.
Pikachu: Small and hard to hit, with great combos, a safe and excellent recovery, safe moves, and outstanding juggle-game and neutral game.
ZSS: Best punish game in the entire game, and she would be 2 if she didn't have a tether grab and had a better neutral.
Rosalina: Rosalina is amazing in most aspects, and she goes to mid-tier at worst when she loses Luma. If her matchups against certain characters like Captain Falcon, Meta Knight, and Pit were better, she could be top 3.

Could you explain whats the difference between top 3-4? Ive never understood certain people that uses this term. I mean if you are top 10 it means you are extremely good, doesnt matter if you are top 9, top 7, etc. If you are in tier 1, thats what matters IMO not an irrelevant number.

But yeah id like to read your point of view since it might help me understand people that uses this sort of metric or whatever it is.

 

[NotEvenAmatueR]

Could you explain whats the difference between top 3-4? Ive never understood certain people that uses this term. I mean if you are top 10 it means you are extremely good, doesnt matter if you are top 9, top 7, etc. If you are in tier 1, thats what matters IMO not an irrelevant number.

But yeah id like to read your point of view since it might help me understand people that uses this sort of metric or whatever it is.

Really, all 4 are at the same level of viability as the best characters in the game. You could shuffle around those 4 and most people wouldn't care. All I'm saying is that this character in this tier is just a tiny bit better then this character in the same tier.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

+1
-1

 

[JimmyTheCaterpillar]

+1 I seriously do not comprehend the Yoshi hate. Everyone in this tier deserves to be here.

 

[Wiimas123]

Adding onto that, you can move fighters within tiers as much as your heart desires, Wiimas123 .

Oh I didn't know that thanks.

+1
-1

2: (Pre-changes)
2: (After-changes)

Sonic is a great character. He has a lot of options and a lot of them are safe. He could also camp really well with Spin Dash so I think that he should lead Tier 2. Fox I feel like is a good character but he certainly isn't good enough to lead Tier 2 or be above Mario, Ness or Sonic. So I think he should move down multiple spaces but since I can only move him once this is the best I could do with what I have.

Ok I'm going to redo this because I did it completely wrong.
+1

2.
I am going to +1 Yoshi as a counter because I think Yoshi should be in the bottom of tier 2 not in tier 3. But other than that I think this tier is perfect.

 

[scapemaster]

Is there a way that I can vote to keep these characters in this tier instead of voting to move them up or down? I think this tier is perfect the way it is.

 

[NotEvenAmatueR]

Is there a way that I can vote to keep these characters in this tier instead of voting to move them up or down? I think this tier is perfect the way it is.

You can go +1 on a character as a counter-vote to prevent them from moving down.