Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Cutie Gwen]

Wow, completely forgot about him for some reason.

WHY DO YOU MEATBAGS HURT ME SO?

 

[Oasis Dealer]

Also forgot to mention, Corrin's back air is unique because it pushes him/her forward whenever you use it.

Mii gunner also can do the same with his f-air. Not B-air, but it still has the same function as a way to recover.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Well, yeah, but Corrin's actually help him to recover

It helps ROB but he doesn't really need it as bad as Corrin. That recovery looks bad

Corrin's Final Smash is the same as Captain Falcon's, Mega Man's, and Shulk's. The cutscene may look a bit different but it's still just a flashy cinematic you watch and eat popcorn to.

And no I didn't put words in your mouth:



You are describing Wolf as the exact same thing as what you did Corrin.

You're just showing your bias at this point.

Neither Wolf or Corrin are wholly unique. Neither are clones. And that's fine, I like both and both are fun (or will be in Corrin's case since he's not out yet).

I'm just sick of you guys showing blatant favourtism to make yourselves feel smarter just because of how things actually turned out with the DLC, and also nitpicking every little thing you disagree with.

If you think Corrin is the most unique character in the game that absolutely saves Smash 4 from having the worst newcomer roster, then that's fine, but don't try to convince me of that. Someone posted about how Corrin isn't as unique as people make him out to be, and I concurred with that. I have every right to do so and frankly nobody has presented a good argument for him being super unique or to shoot down my assertion that he "is aesthetically unique but not mechanically unique".

Arguing with me is pointless because you're not gonna change my mind and, frankly, you don't need to because I have already said I will purchase and enjoy Corrin for what he ACTUALLY is and that I'm fine with what he is. He's more unique than say, Roy, and I had no problem purchasing and enjoying him, so why are you guys so fussed about proving how super unique he is to me? You're not gonna change my mind and even if you did, my enjoyment of the character won't change because I am going to enjoy him just fine anyway.

All you guys do by arguing any further with me about this, is prove to me that you are blind fanboys of the character and cannot accept people who think Corrin is anything less than the most unique and precious cinnamon roll in the game.



Aaaaand I never said that either. Just that he would be to be WHOLLY unique.

He doesn't NEED to be wholly unique though.

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Pac-Man's Up-Air also has an air stall that helps his aerial mobility.

You may not notice it, but you have a habit of twisting words. I remember yesterday, I said Sonic's speed was what made him stand out, as his games had a great sense of speed conpared to the competition. You made it 'Sonic goes fast therefore he's popular'. Maybe we aren't clear enough with our points? I dunno

 

[---]

To be honest, I can't think of a character on the roster who doesn't share at least one move/has a move that's very similar with another character.

 

[ChikoLad]

It helps ROB but he doesn't really need it as bad as Corrin. That recovery looks bad

You may not notice it, but you have a habit of twisting words. I remember yesterday, I said Sonic's speed was what made him stand out, as his games had a great sense of speed conpared to the competition. You made it 'Sonic goes fast therefore he's popular'. Maybe we aren't clear enough with our points? I dunno

You may also remember that right after you accused me of this, I posted a screenshot of your initial comment that did indeed say, literally, "Sonic's speed was what made him popular", with no added comment about "sense of speed" or the extent of it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You may also remember that right after you accused me of this, I posted a screenshot of your initial comment that did indeed say, literally, "Sonic's speed was what made him popular", with no added comment about "sense of speed" or the extent of it.

Which confirms how you misinterpret things easily tbh, as everyone else knew what I meant. I don't like debating if someone doesn't fully understand what I mean, any tips for the future?

 

[Pazzo.]

I think the majority of Corrin's unique aspects comes from the fact that his model changes with attacks.

Previously only R.O.B, Mr. Game and Watch, Mario, Palutena, and the Pits have done this (maybe more).

Corrin being a combination between the elegant (Swordfighters) and the savage (Animals/Beasts) is something that I can completely get behind. He/she's a fighting paradox in action.

 

[Khoru]

All you guys do by arguing any further with me about this, is prove to me that you are blind fanboys of the character and cannot accept people who think Corrin is anything less than the most unique and precious cinnamon roll in the game.

ad hominem
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attack on an argument made by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, rather than attacking the argument directly.

 

[ChikoLad]

To be honest, I can't think of a character on the roster who doesn't share at least one move/has a move that's very similar with another character.

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I could think of a few (and technically most of the original twelve are well, completely original since they were the first iterations that came before any derivatives), but it doesn't really matter.

Not every character needs to have every move be unique or have a unique mechanic. And people don't need to adamantly attempt to convince people that certain characters are unique just to validate him.

I know Corrin has caused a lot of controversy so FE fans tend to jump to defend him but I am not really saying anything against him. Corrin is getting my money. He's doing his job right.

Which confirms how you misinterpret things easily tbh, as everyone else knew what I meant. I don't like debating if someone doesn't fully understand what I mean, any tips for the future?

No, Anna, it's not a misinterpretation on my part if all I am doing is reading what you LITERALLY say.

You literally said "Sonic's speed was what made him popular". I can only interpret what that literally says and respond accordingly, you can't just expect people to "know what you mean" if what you typed isn't what you literally meant. I'm not a telepath, I can't read your mind.

The only advice I can give you there is, in future, say EXACTLY what you mean. You can't expect people to fill in the blanks themselves, if you have a point to make, it falls on you to make it, and nobody else.

ad hominem
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attack on an argument made by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, rather than attacking the argument directly.

Except I did actually address the argument directly as well as question the character of the people making the argument based on the circumstances their argument.

It's only an ad hominem if you never address the argument and only make accussations towards the people making it.

 

[Substitution]

I think the majority of Corrin's unique aspects comes from the fact that his model changes with attacks.

Previously only R.O.B, Mr. Game and Watch, Mario, Palutena, and the Pits have done this (maybe more).

Corrin being a combination between the elegant (Swordfighters) and the savage (Animals/Beasts) is something that I can completely get behind. He/she's a fighting paradox in action.

Mega Man does, and I believe Sonic does as well.

 

[epicmartin7]

I guess to celebrate the new year, we can start off fresh with one of these images.

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Reggie each console generation.

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[Cutie Gwen]

I could think of a few (and technically most of the original twelve are well, completely original since they were the first iterations that came before any derivatives), but it doesn't really matter.

Not every character needs to have every move be unique or have a unique mechanic. And people don't need to adamantly attempt to convince people that certain characters are unique just to validate him.

I know Corrin has caused a lot of controversy so FE fans tend to jump to defend him but I am not really saying anything against him. Corrin is getting my money. He's doing his job right.



No, Anna, it's not a misinterpretation on my part if all I am doing is reading what you LITERALLY say.

You literally said "Sonic's speed was what made him popular". I can only interpret what that literally says and respond accordingly, you can't just expect people to "know what you mean" if what you typed isn't what you literally meant. I'm not a telepath, I can't read your mind.

The only advice I can give you there is, in future, say EXACTLY what you mean. You can't expect people to fill in the blanks themselves, if you have a point to make, it falls on you to make it, and nobody else.



Except I did actually address the argument directly as well as question the character of the people making the argument based on the circumstances their argument.

It's only an ad hominem if you never address the argument and only make accussations towards the people making it.

Here's the thing. ONLY you misunderstood what I meant, THAT'S why I'm certain it wasn't just me here.

Insulting someone in an argument is still incredibly childish (hypocritical of me, I know) and makes you come off as an asshole. Remember that dumb 'Samus is trans, deal with it' thing? The biggest problem people had with it was how it was written, as saying 'deal with it' makes you come off as someone who thinks they are the only ones right. The same applies if you insult anyone in replies

 

[LIQUID12A]

ITT: daily routine of the same person getting into an argument with someone for some reason.

This concludes your analysis of the NintenZone social.

 

[A Distant Demon]

ITT: daily routine of the same person getting into an argument with someone for some reason.

This concludes your analysis of the NintenZone social.

You forgot the rare sightings of news and all the ****posting.

Also rip sigs for some reason

 

[JamesDNaux]

There are no unique characters in Smash because they all use attacks.

What we need in Smash 5 is a character who can only heal, now that'd be unique.

 

[LIQUID12A]

You forgot the rare sightings of news and all the ****posting.

Also rip sigs for some reason

And the daily talk from Pushy.

I can see your sig and everyone else's just fine.

 

[Khoru]

There are no unique characters in Smash because they all use attacks.

What we need in Smash 5 is a character who can only heal, now that'd be unique.

white mage confirmed

 

[Firus]

All you guys do by arguing any further with me about this, is prove to me that you are blind fanboys of the character and cannot accept people who think Corrin is anything less than the most unique and precious cinnamon roll in the game.

You aren't obligated to change your opinions, but you can't present an opinion and then generalize people as "blind fanboys' because they respond to you on a public forum where discussion is the purpose. If you have an opinion that you are absolutely not willing to budge on and you know people are going to disagree with you on it, it makes a lot more sense to either A) brace yourself for that and not bother responding to disagreements, or B) not present it in the first place.

And in general, everybody needs to chill out a little bit. This is getting way too heated arguing over semantics.

 

[Coricus]

To be honest, I can't think of a character on the roster who doesn't share at least one move/has a move that's very similar with another character.

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Jiggypuff is Yoshi clone.

Sakeri stahp, you bad. Feex nao.

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In other words, I agree.

 

[ChikoLad]

Here's the thing. ONLY you misunderstood what I meant, THAT'S why I'm certain it wasn't just me here.

Insulting someone in an argument is still incredibly childish (hypocritical of me, I know) and makes you come off as an *******. Remember that dumb 'Samus is trans, deal with it' thing? The biggest problem people had with it was how it was written, as saying 'deal with it' makes you come off as someone who thinks they are the only ones right. The same applies if you insult anyone in replies

I don't recall anyone else understanding what you meant until after you cleared it up, or even stating either way.

Unless you are going off of likes, but people like posts for all sorts of reasons.

The bottom line is that even if everybody else somehow read your mind to decipher what you actually meant, you still can't just expect people to do so, as that is not a common ability. If you have a point, you make it, word for word. Don't leave bits out and expect people to "just know" what you mean.

And no, I didn't insult anyone. I said to continue arguing with me about my stance on Corrin would be blind fanboyism, which isn't an insult, it's a fact. I intend to buy Corrin, I think he looks fun, and I will probably play as him quite a bit. I just don't think he is as unique as everyone else seems to think. If people think he's the most super unique thing that's fine, but to argue with me and try and convince me of this IS blind fanboyism, because it wouldn't actually achieve anything. I will enjoy Corrin perfectly fine regardless of whether or not I think he is "completely unique" or "aesthetically unique but mechanically pretty standard stuff". So what does anyone achieve by arguing with me about it? Generally, the whole point of an argument is to achieve something, so without that element, you are just left with blind harassment.

You aren't obligated to change your opinions, but you can't present an opinion and then generalize people as "blind fanboys' because they respond to you on a public forum where discussion is the purpose. If you have an opinion that you are absolutely not willing to budge on and you know people are going to disagree with you on it, it makes a lot more sense to either A) brace yourself for that and not bother responding to disagreements, or B) not present it in the first place.

And in general, everybody needs to chill out a little bit. This is getting way too heated arguing over semantics.

See the above paragraph.

Also, it's not that I am absolutely not willing to budge on it, but nothing presented so far has made me budge and people are literally just repeating the same thing over and over. That's why my opinion won't change.

 

[JamesDNaux]

white mage confirmed

Not Fire Emblem enough.

Perfect, and Chrom is still waiting for his chance another day.

 

[Chrono.]

Honestly if we start cherry picking everyone's moveset then of course a lot of them are gonna be looking similar. That's normal and common in fighters. Especially ones with big rosters.

 

[A Distant Demon]

And the daily talk from Pushy.

I can see your sig and everyone else's just fine.

I would show what is on my screen. . .but then imgur gave me a blank image.

Im going to assume that is the problem

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I don't recall anyone else understanding what you meant until after you cleared it up, or even stating either way.

Unless you are going off of likes, but people like posts for all sorts of reasons.

The bottom line is that even if everybody else somehow read your mind to decipher what you actually meant, you still can't just expect people to do so, as that is not a common ability. If you have a point, you make it, word for word. Don't leave bits out and expect people to "just know" what you mean.

And no, I didn't insult anyone. I said to continue arguing with me about my stance on Corrin would be blind fanboyism, which isn't an insult, it's a fact. I intend to buy Corrin, I think he looks fun, and I will probably play as him quite a bit. I just don't think he is as unique as everyone else seems to think. If people think he's the most super unique thing that's fine, but to argue with me and try and convince me of this IS blind fanboyism, because it wouldn't actually achieve anything. I will enjoy Corrin perfectly fine regardless of whether or not I think he is "completely unique" or "aesthetically unique but mechanically pretty standard stuff". So what does anyone achieve by arguing with me about it? Generally, the whole point of an argument is to achieve something, so without that element, you are just left with blind harassment.



See the above paragraph.

Also, it's not that I am absolutely not willing to budge on it, but nothing presented so far has made me budge and people are literally just repeating the same thing over and over. That's why my opinion won't change.

Calling people blind fanboys isn't an insult? Welp, time to go to *insert fandom*'s fanbase and not insult them

 

[ChikoLad]

Calling people blind fanboys isn't an insult? Welp, time to go to *insert fandom*'s fanbase and not insult them

Words are not what define an insult, context is.

"Gay" can be both a proud identification or an insult depending on who you say it to, for example. Context is everything.

 

[A Distant Demon]

And no, I didn't insult anyone. I said to continue arguing with me about my stance on Corrin would be blind fanboyism, which isn't an insult, it's a fact.

haha

Words are not what define an insult, context is.

"Gay" can be both a proud identification or an insult depending on who you say it to, for example. Context is everything.

And it's a "fact" the context is insulting

 

[Deleted member]

Sonicbrawler causing trouble again?

Just put him on ignore like I did a year ago.

 

[Khoru]

Words are not what define an insult, context is.

"Gay" can be both a proud identification or an insult depending on who you say it to, for example. Context is everything.

in what context is "blind fanboy" not an insult

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Words are not what define an insult, context is.

"Gay" can be both a proud identification or an insult depending on who you say it to, for example. Context is everything.

You called people blind fanboys for defending something that they are tired of seeing get bashed. There's your context, not to mention I highly doubt you can call anything a blind fanboy WITHOUT making it an insult

 

[A Distant Demon]

I mean . . . im pretty sure if someone had no eyes being called a blind fanboy wouldnt be an insult. It would actually be fact.
anything else. . .

 

[Firus]

I don't recall anyone else understanding what you meant until after you cleared it up, or even stating either way.

Unless you are going off of likes, but people like posts for all sorts of reasons.

The bottom line is that even if everybody else somehow read your mind to decipher what you actually meant, you still can't just expect people to do so, as that is not a common ability. If you have a point, you make it, word for word. Don't leave bits out and expect people to "just know" what you mean.

And no, I didn't insult anyone. I said to continue arguing with me about my stance on Corrin would be blind fanboyism, which isn't an insult, it's a fact. I intend to buy Corrin, I think he looks fun, and I will probably play as him quite a bit. I just don't think he is as unique as everyone else seems to think. If people think he's the most super unique thing that's fine, but to argue with me and try and convince me of this IS blind fanboyism, because it wouldn't actually achieve anything. I will enjoy Corrin perfectly fine regardless of whether or not I think he is "completely unique" or "aesthetically unique but mechanically pretty standard stuff". So what does anyone achieve by arguing with me about it? Generally, the whole point of an argument is to achieve something, so without that element, you are just left with blind harassment.

See the above paragraph.

That doesn't address my point, it just reiterates what you already said.

People have debates about opinions that "aren't going to actually accomplish things" all of the time. This thread has spent a ton of times debating characters' chances for DLC when we had very little (if even that much) say in the matter. I don't think the tons of Geno debates we got into changed anybody's opinion on Geno's chances and it didn't make him more or less likely to be DLC. To be honest, 90% of the internet arguments (or arguments in general, really) that I witness don't end with one side changing their opinion. It's a lot of back and forth until something changes the subject or people get tired. The fact that you will buy Corrin does not mean people can't feel differently about the character than you do, and make a point of stating that.

You don't get to come on a forum, state your opinion, and say "By disagreeing with me and bothering to say it, you're a fanboy." That's really weird logic. Every post is fair game to respond to (unless it's spam or something and you shouldn't be responding for that reason), and you can't put a shield over your arguments and throw personal attacks at people because they dare to disagree with you. It's not fanboyism to say "I disagree with your point," full stop. If you don't want to engage in the debate, don't respond to people's posts. Disagreement does not equal harassment.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I mean . . . im pretty sure if someone had no eyes being called a blind fanboy wouldnt be an insult. It would actually be fact.
anything else. . .

brb patenting braille forums

 

[Deleted member]

Calling you all a bunch of assholes isn't an insult, it's a fact

I'm just joking, I love you all <3

 

[Deleted member]

Late replies, curse you Las Vegas!

Which reminds me, some funny guy said to me "Are you texting your boyfriend?!" In a very rude manner, little does he know, I was indeed texting my boyfriend.

@Con0rrrr here are some suggestions for your name:

No Conor72, conzerl, or Conoarking, really?

There are no unique characters in Smash because they all use attacks.

What we need in Smash 5 is a character who can only heal, now that'd be unique.

I think what we need in the smash roster is a white cube, that just sits there. Now that'd be completely original. No damage taken whatsoever, and you can't move to accidently kill yourself! Instant top tier.

 

[A Distant Demon]

brb patenting braille forums

uhhhhh . . .text to speech?

I've got nothing

I think what we need in the smash roster is a white cube, that just sits there. Now that'd be completely original. No damage taken whatsoever, and you can't move to accidently kill yourself! Instant top tier.

So sandbag but not a cube?

 

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I could think of a few (and technically most of the original twelve are well, completely original since they were the first iterations that came before any derivatives), but it doesn't really matter.

Personally I wouldn't count even Smash 64 given every character had some form of a sex kick.

Not every character needs to have every move be unique or have a unique mechanic. And people don't need to adamantly attempt to convince people that certain characters are unique just to validate him.

I think only Little Mac, Pac Man, and Chrom had those type of arguments the past 4+ years off the top of my head. Considering two of them made it onto the roster while the other is validated (IMO) because of Lucina...

I think there's more that could be said such as the character themselves, time constraints, and random whims of the developers, but overall it'd all come back around to the same base conclusion that everyone is a jerk IMO.

 

[Rosalinatehplumber]

wolf confirmed for dragon
meta knight also confirmed for dragon

No wonder why I had some dreams about Wolf ever since after E3.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

uhhhhh . . .text to speech?

I've got nothing

So sandbag but not a cube?

My hand to your face

Calling you all a bunch of ******** isn't an insult, it's a fact

I'm just joking, I love you all <3

We love you too blind EO fanboy~

 

[Deleted member]

Calling you all a bunch of ******** isn't an insult, it's a fact

I'm just joking, I love you all <3

I don't even know what the word is.

So sandbag but not a cube?

Companion Cube: Smash Edition.

 

[Deleted member]

My hand to your face

We love you too blind EO fanboy~

xcuse me
r00d
i can see clearly

I don't even know what the word is.



Companion Cube: Smash Edition.

It starts with ass and ends with where the ball goes in a golf match