Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[ChikoLad]

Oh I guess one little thing I can mention is I did get one more Christmas present. A friend got me a T-Shirt based on the box art of the original Super Mario Bros. Pretty nifty.

I also didn't get to buy Codename STEAM and Mega Yarn Yoshi. I got up late today and shops closed early. And they will probably be closed tomorrow too so I will have to leave it until Saturday. The main concern for me was whether or not Codename STEAM was just €10 as part of a sale but I think it's been permanently reduced to that so I guess there is no harm in waiting. I might not be able to get the 3DS Amiibo reader anywhere locally though.

I was thinking on maybe getting Mega Yarn Yoshi too but honestly I might leave him until another 2 or 3 weeks when I have a bit more money. Instead, I might pick up Super Mario series Luigi and Peach (I would get Yoshi instead of Peach but he's out of stock) since there is a sale on Amiibo figures.

And then after that I just wanna get a physical copy of Shovel Knight and I might buy Fast Racing Neo and then that's my Christmas self-spending done (and soon after I have to get Shovel Knight and Lucas Amiibos anyway).

 

[Rosalinatehplumber]

Happy New Year everyone. It has been a wild ride this year. Hopefully, next year will be better now that Smash speculation is pretty much done.

 

[Z25]

It's still to 10 hour here till the new year, I'll wait to then!

But for those who are in the new year, I hope your having fun and a good one!

 

[egaddmario]

I'll attempt to stir up a discussion!

Corrin's dragon power is no different from Pac-Man transforming into his classic pizza shape for a few moves. It only comes out when those moves are done. That's not really unique- that's just part of his animations. People are over-emphasizing just how unique he is.

 

[Deleted member]

What? I don't have a problem... Stop looking at me like that!

 

[A Distant Demon]

What? I don't have a problem... Stop looking at me like that!

You spent real money on this didnt you

 

[Champ Gold]

@Con0rrrr here are some suggestions for your name:

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No ChampConor


I see how it is, Push.

Don't even like me. We really know the truth about the Salt Lord.

 

[ChikoLad]

I'll attempt to stir up a discussion!

Corrin's dragon power is no different from Pac-Man transforming into his classic pizza shape for a few moves. It only comes out when those moves are done. That's not really unique- that's just part of his animations. People are over-emphasizing just how unique he is.

I agree, I said the same thing before. He even straight up has Marth's Up-Air.

The only unique thing he has mechanically is the Side Special with the Spear thing. Other than that he just hits people, basically seems like a hybrid of classic swordfighter/brawler tropes.

He still looks fun and I will buy him but, ya know, just sayin', he's nowhere near as unique as a lot of the other newcomers in this game mechanically. He fits into the "they have one move that's really unique, everything else is pretty standard" category.

 

[egaddmario]

I agree, I said the same thing before. He even straight up has Marth's Up-Air.

The only unique thing he has mechanically is the Side Special with the Spear thing. Other than that he just hits people, basically seems like a hybrid of classic swordfighter/brawler tropes.

He still looks fun and I will buy him but, ya know, just sayin', he's nowhere near as unique as a lot of the other newcomers in this game mechanically. He fits into the "they have one move that's really unique, everything else is pretty standard" category.

Like Greninja.

 

[Deleted member]

You spent real money on this didnt you

And I mean REAL money
Like, this real

Spoiler

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I'll attempt to stir up a discussion!

Corrin's dragon power is no different from Pac-Man transforming into his classic pizza shape for a few moves. It only comes out when those moves are done. That's not really unique- that's just part of his animations. People are over-emphasizing just how unique he is.

I don't think it's so much the fact that he transforms for his attacks so much as it is the fact that he transforms into a FREAKING WATER DRAGON. That's what makes him unique

 

[Deleted member]

No ChampConor


I see how it is, Push.

Don't even like me. We really know the truth about the Salt Lord.

No Xenoconor or ConorBro1 either.

 

[ChikoLad]

I don't think it's so much the fact that he transforms for his attacks so much as it is the fact that he transforms into a FREAKING WATER DRAGON. That's what makes him unique

Aesthetically, not mechanically though.

At the end of the day, it doesn't make much of a difference whether he's hitting you with a sword, fists, or dragon claws or water. He's still just hitting you with bog standard physical attacks.

Plus we already have dragons and water based attacks.

 

[Solfiner]

Corrin has the longest sidesmash in the game, is the only swordfighter with a stun projectile (which also has a follow up attack which no other stun projectile does) and he also has that side B which all make him unique when added together.

 

[Deleted member]

Aesthetically, not mechanically though.

At the end of the day, it doesn't make much of a difference whether he's hitting you with a sword, fists, or dragon claws or water. He's still just hitting you with bog standard physical attacks.

Plus we already have dragons and water based attacks.

But by that logic, Charizard isn't unique
After all, his appearence doesn't matter, only the mechanics
And almost everything it does was done by other characters
Not everyone needs a mechanical gimmick to be unique

 

[ChikoLad]

Corrin has the longest sidesmash in the game, is the only swordfighter with a stun projectile (which also has a follow up attack which no other stun projectile does) and he also has that side B which all make him unique when added together.

Not really. I don't think having the longest side Smash is really that unique (also isn't Mega Man's technically still farther reaching? It's a disjoint but still. Then you have what Rosalina can do with smart Luma spacing), as it's just a variable, not so much a unique feature.

And saying he's the only swordfighter with a stun projectile is stretching too far to make him sound unique. We're talking relative to the whole roster, not relative to a subset.

The only completely unique thing is his Side B. LIke I said, he's like Greninja or something, has one really unique move but everything else is pretty generic mechanically.

But by that logic, Charizard isn't unique
After all, his appearence doesn't matter, only the mechanics
And almost everything it does was done by other characters
Not everyone needs a mechanical gimmick to be unique

At what point did I ever claim Charizard was unique mechanically?

Because I don't think he is.

 

[Khoru]

Plus we already have dragons and water based attacks.

in literally one character apiece

 

[Solfiner]

And saying he's the only swordfighter with a stun projectile is stretching too far to make him sound unique. We're talking relative to the whole roster, not relative to a subset.

(which also has a follow up attack which no other stun projectile does)

A character does not need a gimmick that's the center of the entire moveset to be unique, that's not the definition of unique.

 

[ChikoLad]

in literally one character apiece

He's not in Smash 4 but Squirtle did do water based attacks already before even Greninja, and Mario has FLUDD (and has a custom version that does damage).

And there are a fair few characters who attack with claws and fangs and wings.

(which also has a follow up attack which no other stun projectile does)

A character does not need a gimmick that's the center of the entire moveset to be unique, that's not the definition of unique.

I didn't ignore that part, I was just pointing out that "he's the only swordfighter with a stun projectile" is besides the point of what we were saying.

And I didn't say Corrin wasn't unique, just that he wasn't completely unique, like everyone claims.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

No ChampConor


I see how it is, Push.

Don't even like me. We really know the truth about the Salt Lord.

Don't worry champ. I'm not there either

 

[Khoru]

And there are a fair few characters who attack with claws and fangs and wings.

wolf confirmed for dragon
meta knight also confirmed for dragon

 

[Chrono.]

Chainsaw Sword.

That is all.

 

[ChikoLad]

wolf confirmed for dragon
meta knight also confirmed for dragon

I don't care whether or not they are actually dragons, it's functionally the same thing. Corrin having "dragon abilities" defines him as a character who uses some kind of element, and attacks with claws, fangs, and wings. All things we have seen before.

As far as actual dragons go, Charizard, Bowser, and Yoshi are all derivatives of that archetype (Yoshi is either a dinosaur or a dragon but his Final Smash is called "Super Dragon" so).

I don't see why you guys are getting so hung up on this when I said he looks fun and I want to buy him anyway.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I remember when a character was unique because they didn't share the same animation as another character and that was good enough. Having flashy moves/a gimmick was a nice bonus.

 

[Champ Gold]

What makes Corrin unique IMO is that he has all these tools and stuff attached to him that hasn't even been with one character in Smash.

Now he has moved and abilities other fighters have but not something to where he has all of those in one full moveset of a character


Corrin stands out because he's our first true transformation character for Fire Emblem which has transformation into beast creatures.


Same with Robin as a full Mage character who has limitations on his weapons like the series has done

 

[Wario Bros.]

Still got about eight and a half hours until New Years where I live.

 

[Strofirko]

Happy new year guys,hope you better than me fellas.

 

[Chrono.]

Lilac's victory pose! Animated by @rafaelborven and shaded by Picsandpixels. pic.twitter.com/YrHxu2OIc3

— GalaxyTrail 🌀 (@galaxytrail) December 31, 2015

The animations got a bump

 

[Scamper52596]

Does anyone else wish that we got 8 DLC characters only so that a full 8 Player Smash would be possible with only DLC characters?
Yeah, that's the only reason I want another DLC character...

 

[Deleted member]

Not really. I don't think having the longest side Smash is really that unique (also isn't Mega Man's technically still farther reaching? It's a disjoint but still. Then you have what Rosalina can do with smart Luma spacing), as it's just a variable, not so much a unique feature.

And saying he's the only swordfighter with a stun projectile is stretching too far to make him sound unique. We're talking relative to the whole roster, not relative to a subset.

The only completely unique thing is his Side B. LIke I said, he's like Greninja or something, has one really unique move but everything else is pretty generic mechanically.



At what point did I ever claim Charizard was unique mechanically?

Because I don't think he is.

You said Corrin isn't unique because he's mechanically the same as other swordfighters
By that logic, Charizard isn't unique
Nor is almost everyone before Smash 4
What I'm saying is that they don't need a mechanical gimmick to be unique

(Yoshi is either a dinosaur or a dragon but his Final Smash is called "Super Dragon" so).

He's a dinosaur
His physiology leaves that pretty clear
Super Dragon is just a Non-Indicative Name

 

[ChikoLad]

I remember when a character was unique because they didn't share the same animation as another character and that was good enough. Having flashy moves/a gimmick was a nice bonus.

It is good enough.

Calling it wholly unique is just incorrect though.

What makes Corrin unique IMO is that he has all these tools and stuff attached to him that hasn't even been with one character in Smash.

Now he has moved and abilities other fighters have but not something to where he has all of those in one full moveset of a character


Corrin stands out because he's our first true transformation character for Fire Emblem which has transformation into beast creatures.


Same with Robin as a full Mage character who has limitations on his weapons like the series has done

I like how you guys said the same thing about Wolf in Brawl and how that "made him a clone".

I love how you guys always completely change outlooks on characters according to what actually happens.

You said Corrin isn't unique because he's mechanically the same as other swordfighters
By that logic, Charizard isn't unique
Nor is almost everyone before Smash 4
What I'm saying is that they don't need a mechanical gimmick to be unique

He's a dinosaur
His physiology leaves that pretty clear
Super Dragon is just a Non-Indicative Name

No, that's not what I said actually. I said Corrin wasn't wholly unique because he doesn't have some big new gimmick (he's still just a standard "Im'ma run around and bop ya" type of character, just he's boppin' ya with dragon limbs) and even has one move directly lifted from another character. He falls into the "mostly pretty standard but has one unique special" category. That's all I said, I don't know why everyone is getting on my case. I'm just describing his moveset like it actually is. I'm not saying they should cut him or anything like that, and I've flat out said I think he looks fun.

Like geez you guys fuss over the silliest things.

And Super Dragon isn't just from Smash, and Yoshi has called himself a dragon before, in both SMW and SMG2.

 

[Champ Gold]

I like how you guys said the same thing about Wolf in Brawl and how that "made him a clone".

I love how you guys always completely change outlooks on characters according to what actually happens.

Don't put words into my mouth. I always thought and still b live Wolf was a clone.

Same ****, different feel. He always was one from the Blaster/Illusion/Up-B lift off/Reflector combo like Fox, all he had was just janky normals, attacks from OTHER fighters and a THIRD FREAKING LANDMASTER. Something fanboys forget to point out.


That's what always made him one was that damn final smash and that still pisses me off

 

[Cutie Gwen]

'Corn nawt yewnik'
His moveset has a lot of moves other characters don't have, and the moves that are the same are used differently to the point it's different enough to be unique

 

[Deleted member]

It is good enough.

Calling it wholly unique is just incorrect though.



I like how you guys said the same thing about Wolf in Brawl and how that "made him a clone".

I love how you guys always completely change outlooks on characters according to what actually happens.



No, that's not what I said actually. I said Corrin wasn't wholly unique because he doesn't have some big new gimmick (he's still just a standard "Im'ma run around and bop ya" type of character, just he's boppin' ya with dragon limbs) and even has one move directly lifted from another character. He falls into the "mostly pretty standard but has one unique special" category. That's all I said, I don't know why everyone is getting on my case. I'm just describing his moveset like it actually is. I'm not saying they should cut him or anything like that, and I've flat out said I think he looks fun.

Like geez you guys fuss over the silliest things.

And Super Dragon isn't just from Smash, and Yoshi has called himself a dragon before, in both SMW and SMG2.

Corrin has ONE move that comes from another fighter
Falcon and Samus share more moves between them than Corrin shares with anyone else
All of his other moves are unique
He doesn't need a gimmick to be unique

 

[epicmartin7]

Happy New Years! From someone who still has yet to get out of 2015's realm. Just 7 more hours to go for me.

 

[Solfiner]

Also forgot to mention, Corrin's back air is unique because it pushes him/her forward whenever you use it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Also forgot to mention, Corrin's back air is unique because it pushes him/her forward whenever you use it.

Actually, ROB did the same

 

[Solfiner]

Actually, ROB did the same

Wow, completely forgot about him for some reason.

 

[Deleted member]

Actually, ROB did the same

Well, yeah, but Corrin's actually help him to recover

 

[ChikoLad]

Don't put words into my mouth. I always thought and still b live Wolf was a clone.

Same ****, different feel. He always was one from the Blaster/Illusion/Up-B lift off/Reflector combo like Fox, all he had was just janky normals, attacks from OTHER fighters and a THIRD FREAKING LANDMASTER. Something fanboys forget to point out.


That's what always made him one was that damn final smash and that still pisses me off

Corrin's Final Smash is the same as Captain Falcon's, Mega Man's, and Shulk's. The cutscene may look a bit different but it's still just a flashy cinematic you watch and eat popcorn to.

And no I didn't put words in your mouth:

Now he has moves and abilities other fighters have but not something to where he has all of those in one full moveset of a character

You are describing Wolf as the exact same thing as what you did Corrin.

You're just showing your bias at this point.

Neither Wolf or Corrin are wholly unique. Neither are clones. And that's fine, I like both and both are fun (or will be in Corrin's case since he's not out yet).

I'm just sick of you guys showing blatant favourtism to make yourselves feel smarter just because of how things actually turned out with the DLC, and also nitpicking every little thing you disagree with.

If you think Corrin is the most unique character in the game that absolutely saves Smash 4 from having the worst newcomer roster, then that's fine, but don't try to convince me of that. Someone posted about how Corrin isn't as unique as people make him out to be, and I concurred with that. I have every right to do so and frankly nobody has presented a good argument for him being super unique or to shoot down my assertion that he "is aesthetically unique but not mechanically unique".

Arguing with me is pointless because you're not gonna change my mind and, frankly, you don't need to because I have already said I will purchase and enjoy Corrin for what he ACTUALLY is and that I'm fine with what he is. He's more unique than say, Roy, and I had no problem purchasing and enjoying him, so why are you guys so fussed about proving how super unique he is to me? You're not gonna change my mind and even if you did, my enjoyment of the character won't change because I am going to enjoy him just fine anyway.

All you guys do by arguing any further with me about this, is prove to me that you are blind fanboys of the character and cannot accept people who think Corrin is anything less than the most unique and precious cinnamon roll in the game.

Corrin has ONE move that comes from another fighter
Falcon and Samus share more moves between them than Corrin shares with anyone else
All of his other moves are unique
He doesn't need a gimmick to be unique

Aaaaand I never said that either. Just that he would be to be WHOLLY unique.

He doesn't NEED to be wholly unique though.

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Pac-Man's Up-Air also has an air stall that helps his aerial mobility.