Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Naoshi]

You know, I'm also sorry if I came off as brash, all I was trying to do was help him, sorry if I did anything wrong.

It's okay, you didn't exactly came across as brash.

 

[Luigi The President]

All of which have aspects in their source material to work with (or base them off of in Captain Falcon's case).
Poochy doesn't have this luxury.

You were better off with the Duck Hunt Dog comparison, but even then, the idea to borrow aspects from not only his source game, but the entire Zapper line was still there.
Very little to base Poochy off of that isn't just shoehorning random crap just to make him fit.

Instead of just thinking in terms of "he exists" and "so-and-so were like this but like that in Smash so why not him?", think in terms of "this is how he can work", "this would be his style", "this is what sets him apart", etc.
Actually put in the effort to sell people on the idea, don't just hide behind other characters and "just because" reasoning.

I have an essay written on why Poochy should be in. I've suggested him for Crusade, as well. I doubt anyone wants to see more Poochy after this argument, however.

Thank you for the criticism, if I may call it that. I'll keep that in mind.

 

[Bananija]

Baby Bowser: Bowser Jr
times

I don't want to create another conflict, but to be fair, Baby Bowser never used the clown car if I remember well.

 

[NintenZ]

I don't want to create another conflict, but to be fair, Baby Bowser never used the clown car if I remember well.

Partners in Time.

 

[Luigi The President]

I don't want to create another conflict, but to be fair, Baby Bowser never used the clown car if I remember well.

Valid argument but I feel Baby Bowser would just be better as a Bowser Jr alt, which Jr could have (Mac has 16)

 

[Z25]

Shy Guy: Mario baddie
Baby Bowser: Bowser Jr
Kamek: Would come before Poochy but could be Mario rep

Also, oh, really, I can want Poochy but he's not likely? Wow! I didn't know that, not like I haven't been told this constant times

Shessh I wasn't trying to be rude, that last statement is a bit uncalled for....
Anyway, Baby bowser is actually bowser but younger. The only real reason to add him would be if they wanted a semi clone of bowser/bowser jr.
Kamek, yeah he is a mario enemy so he could become a mario rep, but I'd have a feeling he would become part of the yoshi serious as kamek himself is prominent in that series, while his generic( and pretty much the same thing just a species) magickoopas are regular enemies in mario games.

 

[Deleted member]

You should know that I'd like to apologise; I was and am rather stressed about this whole thing. I understand you weren't intending to interrogate me.


I'm sorry, but are you trying to say that he's a main character but not major enough? You just told me he's a main character but suddenly he's not?


He could utilize the various mechanics of Yoshi, including eggs, fruit, and his own techniques. I have a moveset for him.

It doesn't matter if you have the creativity to create something out of almost nothing, what matters is would that be a good idea? What also matters even more so is how relevant this character really is, even to his own game.

Is Poochie a part of the story in a major way? he isn't.
Does Poochie have any major roles from a gameplay standpoint? He doesn't. They are very minor roles for certain things.

He's a main character in Yoshi, but he's honestly Rob 64 tier from Star Fox 64. He's a side thing.

 

[Luigi The President]

Shessh I wasn't trying to be rude, that last statement is a bit uncalled for....
Anyway, Baby bowser is actually bowser but younger. The only real reason to add him would be if they wanted a semi clone of bowser/bowser jr.
Kamek, yeah he is a mario enemy so he could become a mario rep, but I'd have a feeling he would become part of the yoshi serious as kamek himself is prominent in that series, while his generic( and pretty much the same thing just a species) magickoopas are regular enemies in mario games.

This whole argument was uncalled for. Can you blame me for being cynical right now? But yes, I suppose it was rather harsh. Sorry, I guess.

Baby Bowser could be a Jr. alt.
Yes, Kamek would more likely be a Yoshi rep, but him being a Mario rep is still possible.

Also, NintenZ thank you for helping me during this whole thing.

 

[NintenZ]

This whole argument was uncalled for. Can you blame me for being cynical right now? But yes, I suppose it was rather harsh. Sorry, I guess.

Baby Bowser could be a Jr. alt.
Yes, Kamek would more likely be a Yoshi rep, but him being a Mario rep is still possible.

Also, NintenZ thank you for helping me during this whole thing.

No problem man.

 

[Bananija]

Valid argument but I feel Baby Bowser would just be better as a Bowser Jr alt, which Jr could have (Mac has 16)

I don't really see the point to make an alt that the only difference is the lack of bandanna, but I don't see (and want him) to be his own character.

Partners in Time.

I guess I didn't remember well. However, he only used it for escape. All I wanted to say is that it's not a part of his character, unlike Jr.

Anyway, lets move on to something else.

 

[Deleted member]

I have an essay written on why Poochy should be in. I've suggested him for Crusade, as well. I doubt anyone wants to see more Poochy after this argument, however.

Thank you for the criticism, if I may call it that. I'll keep that in mind.

One last bit of "criticism". Do not argue why he "should be in". Instead, argue about him being a good idea and why he is a good idea.

 

[Luigi The President]

I don't really see the point to make an alt that the only difference is the lack of bandanna, but I don't see (and want him) to be his own character.

I guess I didn't remember well. However, he only used it for escape. All I wanted to say is that it's not a part of his character, unlike Jr.

Anyway, lets move on to something else.

Beady eyes, fangs, different shading/art style.

But sure, let's move on.

 

[Kenith]

Let's move on. I can practically smell the tension in the the air.
Anyways, I provided a new topic, it's a good topic. You should all agree with me.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Also, oh, really, I can want Poochy but he's not likely? Wow! I didn't know that, not like I haven't been told this constant times

You know, with all due respect, you gladly slagged me with the "not been in a game for years" and "irrelevant" arguments when I brought up Sylux in the original NintenZone social, all while claiming it had "no chance" as DLC, and what just happened in the last pages is eerily similar, from one guy promoting an unpopular opinion.

I have no wish to continue but I'd like to point this out.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't really see the point to make an alt that the only difference is the lack of bandanna, but I don't see (and want him) to be his own character.

Besides, if we needed a Bowser semi-clone, why not his undead relative instead?

 

[NintenZ]

So like I asked before, what's the worst voice acting you've heard in a video game and why?

 

[Spatman]

Poochy is a major recurring character actually, appearing in almost every Yoshi game, while Kamek and the Stork don't (Also what kind of sick twisted person would want Baby Mario?) Poochy could work, he'd kinda play like Ivysaur I think.

I don't consider BabyMario&BabyLuigi (fighting as a duo) a bad character :D

 

[Z25]

This whole argument was uncalled for. Can you blame me for being cynical right now? But yes, I suppose it was rather harsh. Sorry, I guess.

Baby Bowser could be a Jr. alt.
Yes, Kamek would more likely be a Yoshi rep, but him being a Mario rep is still possible.

Also, NintenZ thank you for helping me during this whole thing.

Um how does cynical fit what your trying to convey:

"believing that people are motivated by self-interest; distrustful of human sincerity or integrity."

And I said kamek as a mario rep is possible just not as likely. Yes baby bowser could theoretically work as a bowser jr. alt but with the details Sakurai gives to staying faithful to a characters origins this would be unlikely.

And I wasn't trying to attack you, and nor do I think you should have been "attacked", but whenever you discuss character choices in smash there will always been disagreements and arguments. How they are carried out is what matters most.

 

[Wario Bros.]

I'm glad I've basically gave up worrying who gets in ages ago.

 

[Naoshi]

So like I asked before, what's the worst voice acting you've heard in a video game and why?

Chaos Wars for PS2

Look it up, you will not be disappointed :D

 

[Luigi The President]

You know, with all due respect, you gladly slagged me with the "not been in a game for years" and "irrelevant" arguments when I brought up Sylux in the original NintenZone social, all while claiming it had "no chance" as DLC, and what just happened in the last pages is eerily similar, from one guy promoting an unpopular opinion.

I have no wish to continue but I'd like to point this out.

Oh, wait, when was that posted? Aug 12. 2015.
Why did you feel the need to go so far back to point this out to me? Oh, and guess who also has changed his opinion on Sylux? Me.

Also, I complimented you in just the same post. Nor did I even say he was a bad idea. And far more people were actually saying Sylux was a good idea then a bad one.

This was a really unnecessary thing to bring up.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't consider BabyMario&BabyLuigi (fighting as a duo) a bad character :D

They shouldn't even be considered until a certain other tag-team come back.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

So like I asked before, what's the worst voice acting you've heard in a video game and why?

Alex's voice in SF3 New Generation and Second Impact

 

[NintenZ]

They shouldn't even be considered until a certain other tag-team come back.

Also I've got to say it's a bit messed up beating up two newborns, but I'll just leave it there.

 

[Z25]

They shouldn't even be considered until a certain other tag-team come back.

True but in the meantime, I can hope it somehow happens, right?
I do think they would be cool, but other characters would probably get in first.

 

[Chrono.]

New SFZero tweet outta nowhere.

The Arwing's new Walker form will let you reach areas you can't just fly into. Beware of what lies within though! pic.twitter.com/6PIuOKIbTW

— PlatinumGames Inc. (@platinumgames) November 9, 2015

It's nothing new, just thought it was amusing

 

[Chandeelure]

They shouldn't even be considered until a certain other tag-team come back.

R.I.P. Plusle and Minun

 

[Deleted member]

Also I've got to say it's a bit messed up beating up two newborns, but I'll just leave it there.

Unless they're incapable of fighting back, I don't really see the issue.

 

[Z25]

New SFZero tweet outta nowhere.

The Arwing's new Walker form will let you reach areas you can't just fly into. Beware of what lies within though! pic.twitter.com/6PIuOKIbTW

— PlatinumGames Inc. (@platinumgames) November 9, 2015

It's nothing new, just thought it was amusing

*Insert Direct confirmed here

And I really don't get the who they are babies so it would be wrong to fight them in smash thing. Yes they are babies, but they fought monsters in PIT, and Mario Kart is just as dangerous if now more dangerous then smash.

 

[Deleted member]

R.I.P. Plusle and Minun

To be fair, that duo has been R.I.P. since Diamond and Pearl existed.

 

[Wario Bros.]

New SFZero tweet outta nowhere.

The Arwing's new Walker form will let you reach areas you can't just fly into. Beware of what lies within though! pic.twitter.com/6PIuOKIbTW

— PlatinumGames Inc. (@platinumgames) November 9, 2015

It's nothing new, just thought it was amusing

Cool.

Cancelled or not, I have a hard time calling the Arwing Walker "new", especially since Star Fox 2 is playable.

 

[NintenZ]

Unless they're incapable of fighting back, I don't really see the issue.

Huh, I guess you're right.

To be fair, that duo has been R.I.P. since Diamond and Pearl existed.

Pra_Mai will never die, at least in our hearts...

 

[A Distant Demon]

Chaos Wars for PS2

Look it up, you will not be disappointed :D

I read that as Clone Wars. Thanks for the nostalgia trip

*looks it up*
yeah that's pretty bad.

New SFZero tweet outta nowhere.

The Arwing's new Walker form will let you reach areas you can't just fly into. Beware of what lies within though! pic.twitter.com/6PIuOKIbTW

— PlatinumGames Inc. (@platinumgames) November 9, 2015

It's nothing new, just thought it was amusing

there is Zero reason for this to be posted. Direct confirmed.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Oh, wait, when was that posted? Aug 12. 2015.
Why did you feel the need to go so far back to point this out to me? Oh, and guess who also has changed his opinion on Sylux? Me.

Also, I complimented you in just the same post. Nor did I even say he was a bad idea. And far more people were actually saying Sylux was a good idea then a bad one.

This was a really unnecessary thing to bring up.

I am merely pointing out the irony. You might have complimented me in the same post but it doesn't change the fact that what you wanted people to stop doing a page ago, criticizing your opinion over a character you really want but people say has a very low chance, is what you quite gladly did to me that one time even as I defended my opinion(like you did with Poochy). Call it, in a non-rude way, your own attitude being turned against you.

And if you changed your opinion, I never caught wind of it. It's nice to know regardless, but in way of the comparison above I do hope you see where I'm coming from.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Did you know the fruit we refer to as "banana" is going to be unviable for large scale cultivation in like 10 years

So, eat it while you can. Because while there are other banana fruits, they are so different people probably would consider them a different fruit

 

[Soul.]

If the NX handheld (or 3DS successor, whatever) has enough power to run ICies I can see them coming back. Maybe. As long as both console and handheld have the same architecture which means easier development time.

But they would need a new game first, wouldn't they???

 

[Opossum]

Moving on from this subject, I'm just curious.

Have a Strawpoll.

 

[Luigi The President]

I am merely pointing out the irony. You might have complimented me in the same post but it doesn't change the fact that what you wanted people to stop doing a page ago, criticizing your opinion over a character you really want but people say has a very low chance, is what you quite gladly did to me that one time. Call it, in a non-rude way, your own attitude being turned against you.

And if you changed your opinion, I never caught wind of it. It's nice to know regardless, but in way of the comparison above I do hope you see where I'm coming from.

Gladly? What the hell are you going on about? I legitimently said I simply couldn't see him in Smash. Also, I think 4 pages of nearly pure negativity is a bit more drastic then 1 or 2 pages, where over half was that the character wasn't a bad idea. You know, including me myself saying it wasn't a bad idea. You act like I said "Sylux needs to go die in a pit, this is the worst idea yet"

This isn't a funny/ironic situation. I don't see where you're coming from at all, and your comparison here is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Naoshi]

Moving on from this subject, I'm just curious.

Have a Strawpoll.

Don't own it. Is it worth getting?

If the NX handheld (or 3DS successor, whatever) has enough power to run ICies I can see them coming back. Maybe. As long as both console and handheld have the same architecture which means easier development time.

But they would need a new game first, wouldn't they???

Yeah, I think it's highly likely the 3DS successor can handle IC. IIRC, the N3DS's upgrade in CPU was alone enough to be a huge boost in CPU power. (Going off by emulators performances between 3DS and N3DS)

 

[Bananija]

Did you know the fruit we refer to as "banana" is going to be unviable for large scale cultivation in like 10 years

So, eat it while you can. Because while there are other banana fruits, they are so different people probably would consider them a different fruit

Better start making a banana hoard.