Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[ChikoLad]

I honestly don't understand, personally. Why wouldn't it have turn based?

Because it doesn't really flow and wouldn't impress people on a high detail PS4 game.

Traditional turn based battle systems are relegated to handheld, mobile, and indie games these days, which have simpler graphics to begin with. Not AAA releases.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

The Xbox version has a Halo mash up pack.

Playstation has LittleBigPlanet.

Let's not forget Xbox has Banjo and Kazooie and Conker.

Banjo for smash.

 

[A Distant Demon]

If any of you suddenly want Minecraft. . please dont buy it on Wii U. Get it on PC. f it is anything like the 360 version is/was te wii u port will probably suck.

Small level, no mods, etc.
Unless you really like to support in Nintendo you're probably going to be better off somewhere else.

 

[Deleted member]

I thought that was Ash himself lol
TvTropes describes him as big jerk and I like it

Yes, he is. So when it comes to ships, he's basically a tsundere.

Hmmm, I'll continue this later after the court case in the PMs.... Hehehe.

 

[TheAnvil]

Man, the stars are literally aligning for Banjo-Kazooie to finally enter Smash. There's only one hurdle left. Unfortunately it's the biggest one.

Spoiler

 

[ChikoLad]

PS3 Minecraft has tons of character skins based on Sony games, such as Uncharted, The Last of Us, Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter, LittleBigPlanet, God of War, etc.

I would be surprised if the Wii U one didn't do the same with Nintendo.

 

[Deleted member]

I honestly like turn-based RPGs way more than action-based ones because they allow me to think carefully and it kind of feels dumb on action RPGs where they contrast with typical Action games where all that matters is your skill level, but in Action RPGs, you may do whatever you want, but you're not gonna beat a boss without grinding
Also, choosing skills in KH is painful in the middle of a fight
Especially with the 3DS controls

Yes, he is. So when it comes to ships, he's basically a tsundere.

Hmmm, I'll continue this later after the court case in the PMs.... Hehehe.

Tsundere? Oh my, that's just perfect

 

[Deleted member]

Because it doesn't really flow and wouldn't impress people on a high detail PS4 game.

Traditional turn based battle systems are relegated to handheld, mobile, and indie games these days, which have simpler graphics to begin with. Not AAA releases.

I don't really agree that it wouldn't impress people just cause the graphics are higher now. I also don't see how it doesn't flow well.

Personally, I just think this is another example of modern gaming design where we try to stick to this "AAA" mentality and end up creating an inferior product that doesn't have as much 'gameplay' and is more about looks over functionality.

I'll give the game a shot, but I'm very tempted to just replay the original game. I absolutely do not care for this whole change to real time combat as of late as it's almost always done an inferior way. SE keeps trying to create a new combat system with al of their games as of late and they end up falling short.

For me to be interested in the FF7 remake the boss battles would have to have the same amount of depth as the original as that part was one of my favorites that set it apart from other FF games to me.

 

[Kenith]

Man, the stars are literally aligning for Banjo-Kazooie to finally enter Smash. There's only one hurdle left. Unfortunately it's the biggest one.

Spoiler

Incidentally, Banjo and Kazooie has been considered for a game by him, so...

 

[TheAnvil]

Incidentally, Banjo and Kazooie has been considered for a game by him, so...

Sakurai is going to Sakurai, man.

 

[Pazzo.]

I would have liked them to keep FFVIIR turn based...

But you know gaming nowadays.

 

[Kenith]

I haven't yet played FF7 so I'm not sure if it's repetitive turn-based nature will magically click with me, but on a level of purely impression, an action RPG approach is way, way better.

 

[Luigi The President]

IMO Banjo-Kazooie's main hurdle is Cloud...come on, 3 DLC 3rd parties?

 

[ChikoLad]

I honestly like turn-based RPGs way more than action-based ones because they allow me to think carefully and it kind of feels dumb on action RPGs where they contrast with typical Action games where all that matters is your skill level, but in Action RPGs, you may do whatever you want, but you're not gonna beat a boss without grinding
Also, choosing skills in KH is painful in the middle of a fight
Especially with the 3DS controls

Tsundere? Oh my, that's just perfect

You can beat bosses in a lot of action RPGs without grinding. The Final Mix versions of KH games straight up have a "No Experience" ability you can equip from the start in the hardest difficulty, and Level 1 runs are possible.

Also don't judge the console KH games on DDD. They're very different.

I don't really agree that it wouldn't impress people just cause the graphics are higher now. I also don't see how it doesn't flow well.

Personally, I just think this is another example of modern gaming design where we try to stick to this "AAA" mentality and end up creating an inferior product that doesn't have as much 'gameplay' and is more about looks over functionality.

I'll give the game a shot, but I'm very tempted to just replay the original game. I absolutely do not care for this whole change to real time combat as of late as it's almost always done an inferior way. SE keeps trying to create a new combat system with al of their games as of late and they end up falling short.

For me to be interested in the FF7 remake the boss battles would have to have the same amount of depth as the original as that part was one of my favorites that set it apart from other FF games to me.

How is real time "less gameplay" than turn based? That doesn't make any sense. Turn based games are literally picking moves and watching a cutscene of said move play out (and they can be long), not to mention you have to wait until you are allowed to make inputs.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

At this point the biggest curve ball would be a character that the Smash community speculated instead of a seemingly left field silent majority choice.

 

[Baskerville]

I would have liked them to keep FFVIIR turn based...

But you know gaming nowadays.

Nowadays? It's always been like that.

 

[Pazzo.]

I keep reading "FF7 remake" as "FE7 remake".



I wish.

 

[Kenith]

IMO Banjo-Kazooie's main hurdle is Cloud...come on, 3 DLC 3rd parties?

There is nothing at all that says we can't have entirely 3rd party DLC in general.
Especially when most of them wouldn't have got in the base game for next time, unlike 1st party characters.

 

[aldelaro5]

So I started playing more games on Dolphin.

Yeaaa.

Then I realized I can't run Paper Mario (or much of anything) at 60 fps.

Nooooo.

At least I can play Melee and Luigi's Mansion. And my hardcopy of TTYD.

I ONLY run and glitch hunt derply the paper mario games so i might help you.

first, what is your processor?

if that is too bad, you won't be able, but it might be settings.

 

[Deleted member]

How is real time "less gameplay" than turn based? That doesn't make any sense. Turn based games are literally picking moves and watching a cutscene of said move play out (and they can be long), not to mention you have to wait until you are allowed to make inputs.

Because the way that real time combat is usually executed by SE and other companies switching from turn-based to real-time is usually quite inferior lacking proper depth and game design. You end up getting a mash button fest over carefully thought out mechanics and depth that they use to do with turn based.

That's also a very minimalistic outlook on turn-based as it's so much more than that. It's more about your mind and the flow of battle, honestly Chess is a very good example. And who cares if they are long? Part of the enjoyment of turn-based is the flash of the moves as well, seeing Neo Bahamut lift someone up off the ground then blast them from the sky off the platform is way too hype.

And the waiting part is part of the thinking process. It's strategy, just like Chess.

 

[Deleted member]

Tsundere? Oh my, that's just perfect

Oh boy, you're in for a treat then.

Just once I have the time, internet connection, privacy, and battery life.

I keep reading "FF7 remake" as "FE7 remake".



I wish.

This. I thought I was the only one....

 

[Pazzo.]

Nowadays? It's always been like that.

"Always" is a little big of a word.

I doubt the guy who made Pong had a cash grab in mind.

But who really knows? Maybe this "art" form we enjoy is built on the back of greedy business men.

 

[Freduardo]

Another Virtual Console gripe. This time the UK/EU shop gets Phantom Hourglass (Nowhere else: NOA and NOJ, wtf?)

You don't not put out a Zelda game!

 

[TheAnvil]

IMO Banjo-Kazooie's main hurdle is Cloud...come on, 3 DLC 3rd parties?

At this point, I would bank on at least 1 more 3rd Party character.

 

[Luigi The President]

At this point, I would bank on at least 1 more 3rd Party character.

And why so? I don't see why you'd bank on that, I'm genuinely curious.

 

[ChikoLad]

Because the way that real time combat is usually executed by SE and other companies switching from turn-based to real-time is usually quite inferior lacking proper depth and game design. You end up getting a mash button fest over carefully thought out mechanics and depth that they use to do with turn based.

That's also a very minimalistic outlook on turn-based as it's so much more than that. It's more about your mind and the flow of battle, honestly Chess is a very good example. And who cares if they are long? Part of the enjoyment of turn-based is the flash of the moves as well, seeing Neo Bahamut lift someone up off the ground then blast them from the sky off the platform is way too hype.

And the waiting part is part of the thinking process. It's strategy, just like Chess.

You clearly haven't played a good action RPG then (or have only played on the easiest difficulty) if that's your impression on them.

KH games have all of the same depth and strategy as a turn based FF game but also the depth and strategy of an action game. And since it's all real time, "attack cut scenes" don't pad out the time after every choice I make.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

"Always" is a little big of a word.

I doubt the guy who made Pong had a cash grab in mind.

But who really knows? Maybe this "art" form we enjoy is built on the back of greedy business men.

No but the 30,000 Pong Clones sure did. Even Nintendo got in on it.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

And why so? I don't see why you'd bank on that, I'm genuinely curious.

One stage remaining on the 3DS version. Not definitive but seems to hint at it.

 

[Deleted member]

You can beat bosses in a lot of action RPGs without grinding. The Final Mix versions of KH games straight up have a "No Experience" ability you can equip from the start in the hardest difficulty, and Level 1 runs are possible.

Also don't judge the console KH games on DDD. They're very different.



How is real time "less gameplay" than turn based? That doesn't make any sense. Turn based games are literally picking moves and watching a cutscene of said move play out (and they can be long), not to mention you have to wait until you are allowed to make inputs.

I never said I didn't like KH3D, infact I quite enjoyed it(well, the gameplay at least)
I'm just saying I prefer TB RPGs to A RPGs

I'm not gonna even comment on that jab at turn-based RPGs because that's just wrong
And I'm offended by it

I keep reading "FF7 remake" as "FE7 remake".



I wish.

In our dreams only...
Seriously though, FE needs some remakes(the DS ones are, uh, let's say, forgettable)
Genealogy of the Holy War and other Japan exclusive FE could use them

 

[Luigi The President]

One stage remaining on the 3DS version. Not definitive but seems to hint at it.

..Uh? How does this at all hint to a 3rd party? We could be getting Isaac with a Golden Sun stage?

 

[epicmartin7]

So... Nintendo Content is confirmed to be in development for Minecraft Wii U.

 

[Deleted member]

You clearly haven't played a good action RPG then (or have only played on the easiest difficulty) if that's your impression on them.

KH games have all of the same depth and strategy as a turn based FF game but also the depth and strategy of an action game.

I've played most, and Kingdom Hearts may be out of the norm, but I don't want FF7 Kingdom Hearts. If I want to play that kind of gameplay I'll play Kingdom Hearts. Similar to if I want to play Tales of games I'll play Tales of. Kingdom Hearts still uses a style of gaming from PS2 era, and Tales of uses it (although improved upon) from that era as well. Even then, though, I'd say FF7's combat and RPG system had way more depth than Kingdom Hearts has despite Kingdom Hearts having depth and I've played both. I'm not saying Kingdom Hearts is bad or anything, but FF7 hit all the right cards for me with the Materia system the boss battle designs, the Gold Saucer arena and the depth among the characters like Vincent.

I have not seen a single new action RPG combat system from PS360Wii era that held the mantle into the future.

 

[SuperMii3D]

So... Nintendo Content is confirmed to be in development for Minecraft Wii U.

Announced immediately as soon as Minecraft for Wii-U was announced. (Although, maybe you brought it up first.)

I hope that Minecraft Wii-U is good. I havent actually gotten a full experience in Minecraft and Id love to build Peach's Castle.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

..Uh? How does this at all hint to a 3rd party? We could be getting Isaac with a Golden Sun stage?

Well Ryu and Cloud both got stages therefore logically there's enough room for one more third party and it's stage. But like I said, not definitive. It could be Isaac and a GS stage or just another 64 stage but there's the possibility there. Only thing it rules out is two 3rd party characters.

 

[aldelaro5]

Honestly about mc, I have a premium account I got in beta time (discount yay!) for pc and because it runs on cofee (java joke), well it runs on my linux.

The fact that I have to pay 30$ to just be able to play on WiiU is honestly questionable, almost any pc can run that game anyway.......

Like, the onyl seeling argument that would work is if they allow to have ressources pack because it means I coudl test my pack on a second tv that is larger.....

But idk why they CAN and WOULD do that.....

 

[wedl!!]

It's a 1.7 ghz Intel i3-core. I knew it would happen.

 

[ChikoLad]

I never said I didn't like KH3D, infact I quite enjoyed it(well, the gameplay at least)
I'm just saying I prefer TB RPGs to A RPGs

I'm not gonna even comment on that jab at turn-based RPGs because that's just wrong
And I'm offended by it

In our dreams only...
Seriously though, FE needs some remakes(the DS ones are, uh, let's say, forgettable)
Genealogy of the Holy War and other Japan exclusive FE could use them

I like TB RPGs fine but I wasn't making a jab and I'm not wrong. Each and every action in a TB battle is a little cutscene, and they can be long *coughKnightsoftheRoundcough*.

That means there IS less gameplay time than an action RPG. In an action RPG, you constantly make decisions at every second. In turn based, you don't, once you decide an attack, it goes out and you can relax.

Some TB RPGs remedy this by having button timing events like Paper Mario, but you still make way more inputs per minute than a TB RPG in an action RPG. Objectively, that's more gameplay.

 

[SuperMii3D]

Well Ryu and Cloud both got stages therefore logically there's enoguh room for one more third party and it's stage. But like I said, not definitive. It could be Isaac and a GS stage or just another 64 stage but there's the possibility there. Only thing it rules out is two 3rd party characters.

To be fair, any stage could go there. Not to mention, we havent gotten any 1st party newcomer, so we dont know if a 1st party newcomer would come with a stage either.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

To be fair, any stage could go there. Not to mention, we havent gotten any 1st party newcomer, so we dont know if a 1st party newcomer would come with a stage either.

That's exactly what I said.

 

[SuperMii3D]

That's exactly what I said.

Whoops, completely misread your post.