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Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

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This is probably one of the best documentaries I have ever seen.
The Gaming Historian really outdid himself. This nearly had me in tears at the end. I definitely think this 35 Minute Video is worth your viewing pleasure.
 

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Sexy villains do exist though, but they are in moderation. Normally they would range from the brooding pretty boy anti-hero to the rugged calculating bad guy. Hell, even some fans may find that ugly or non-human villain attractive (Bloody Scar from the Lion King and Judge Frollo for example). Want an example of an attractive male villains in fiction, look no further than a majority of the Organization XIII.



Yes, even the "ugliest" member of the group is deemed attractive by the Kingdom Hearts fans.
 
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I actually have that one character that fits that role and their looks have never been an issue



Let's be honest, I love Wario but he's one ugly guy and we don't care because he's awesome.

He transcends it all
In fairness though.
He and his partner in crime have been used for Comic Relief.
Such as Power Tennis and Toadstool Tour to name a few.

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I started Sonic 06 send help

what am I doing with my life
Finding ways to pass the time through the next 10 days.
 
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What character?
I said I couldn't think of one. Even the good "ugly" people/monsters/whatever just end up being cute.
Sexy villains do exist though, but they are in moderation. Normally they would range from the brooding pretty boy anti-hero to the rugged calculating bad guy. Hell, even some fans may find that ugly or non-human villain attractive (Bloody Scar from the Lion King and Judge Frollo for example). Want an example of an attractive male villains in fiction, look no further than a majority of the Organization XIII.



Yes, even the "ugliest" member of the group is deemed attractive by the Kingdom Hearts fans.
Oh heck yeah attractive villains exist for sure. I can name quite a few myself. :p
I actually have that one character that fits that role and their looks have never been an issue



Let's be honest, I love Wario but he's one ugly guy and we don't care because he's awesome.

He transcends it all
The thing is though, Wario does fall under comic relief, sometimes he's the villian, and sometimes his uglyness is a gimmick. :p There are times where he falls under none of those, of course. But still.
 

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I actually have that one character that fits that role and their looks have never been an issue



Let's be honest, I love Wario but he's one ugly guy and we don't care because he's awesome.

He transcends it all
He still originated as a villain (he's more anti-hero now though) and even when he's the star, he's still always comic relief.

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I can think of one character who legit does avert all of the criteria, though.

Bob from Tekken



-Huge ball of blubber, so I guess he's "ugly".
-Is a good guy. He's a loyal cop who just strives for justice, and people genuinely look up to him.
-While he has comic relief moments, everyone in Tekken does at times. It isn't a focus with Bob though, and he is genuinely looked up to. His quotes are generally fairly badass.
-His fatness was actually a choice - he built his body in a way that gives him as much aerodynamic, speedy, and flexible movement as any thin gymnast, but the weight from the fat and muscle allow him to hit like a truck.
-High to Top Tier character in every game he has appeared in. In fact, in Tekken Tag Tournament 2, there is a clone of him called "Slim Bob", who is the goofier of the two and is less viable in competitive play, even though he's more immediately attractive.

 
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He still originated as a villain (he's more anti-hero now though) and even when he's the star, he's still always comic relief.

I can think of one character who legit does avert all of the criteria, though.

Bob from Tekken

-Huge ball of blubber, so I guess he's "ugly".
-Is a good guy. He's a loyal cop who just strives for justice, and people genuinely look up to him.
-While he has comic relief moments, everyone in Tekken does at times. It isn't a focus with Bob though, and he is genuinely looked up to. His quotes are generally fairly badass.
-His fatness was actually a choice - he built his body in a way that gives him as much aerodynamic, speedy, and flexible movement as any thin gymnast, but the weight from the fat and muscle allow him to hit like a truck.
-High to Top Tier character in every game he has appeared in.

Bob is handsome as ****. And Slim Bob is badass as hell. He's pretty much one of my mains with Marduk, Asuka, Armor King and Xiaoyu in TTT 2.


I mean he doesn't count really because he's pretty handsome and chubby chasers exist
 

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That's a bit of an overreaction based off of one game that everyone can agree was a flop. And even then, Ultra Smash is only a flop in the sense that it doesn't have the content to justify being sold at full price and they have not promised regular content updates (a la Splatoon). Otherwise, the game has been praised for still having really satisfying and surprisingly deep tennis mechanics, as well as great visuals. It's just that the game feels more like "a solid, €20 game from an upcoming and talented indie studio", rather than a €60 Nintendo licensed game.
It wasn't based off one game, it was pretty much based on every game Camelot has made since like 05 with World Tour being like the one exception, which I stated.

I hear that Camelot's B-Team handles the Tennis games though, while their A-Team handle the Golf games. So comparing the Tennis and Golf games isn't even a fair comparison as the A-Team has far more to work with.
Where did you hear that?
 

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He still originated as a villain (he's more anti-hero now though) and even when he's the star, he's still always comic relief.

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I can think of one character who legit does avert all of the criteria, though.

Bob from Tekken



-Huge ball of blubber, so I guess he's "ugly".
-Is a good guy. He's a loyal cop who just strives for justice, and people genuinely look up to him.
-While he has comic relief moments, everyone in Tekken does at times. It isn't a focus with Bob though, and he is genuinely looked up to. His quotes are generally fairly badass.
-His fatness was actually a choice - he built his body in a way that gives him as much aerodynamic, speedy, and flexible movement as any thin gymnast, but the weight from the fat and muscle allow him to hit like a truck.
-High to Top Tier character in every game he has appeared in.
Hm... Even then, Bob's not exactly ugly.

Look at the face.

He's got a model's face.
 
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He still originated as a villain (he's more anti-hero now though) and even when he's the star, he's still always comic relief.

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I can think of one character who legit does avert all of the criteria, though.

Bob from Tekken



-Huge ball of blubber, so I guess he's "ugly".
-Is a good guy. He's a loyal cop who just strives for justice, and people genuinely look up to him.
-While he has comic relief moments, everyone in Tekken does at times. It isn't a focus with Bob though, and he is genuinely looked up to. His quotes are generally fairly badass.
-His fatness was actually a choice - he built his body in a way that gives him as much aerodynamic, speedy, and flexible movement as any thin gymnast, but the weight from the fat and muscle allow him to hit like a truck.
-High to Top Tier character in every game he has appeared in.
I had in my mind that Bob was comic relief because of his ending..... But then I remembered...... Pretty much every character is comic relief in tekken endings. :p

That, and to be honest, he looks pretty handsome.
 
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I have a very heavy confession to make: I do find fat guys like Bob and Wario attractive. This is not blubbery drivel, but the delicious truth from my round lips.

Not like it's really a huge deal since I do have a boyfriend who's around that body type (but not too fat). Isn't that right, Yomi's Biggest Fan Yomi's Biggest Fan ? :smirk:
 

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Bob is handsome as ****. And Slim Bob is badass as hell. He's pretty much one of my mains with Marduk, Asuka, Armor King and Xiaoyu in TTT 2.


I mean he doesn't count really because he's pretty handsome and chubby chasers exist
See, that's why I put ugly in quotations.

Bob isn't the "common" definition of attractive, but there are people who would be attracted to him.

You run into this with any character though.
 

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I have a very heavy confession to make: I do find fat guys like Bob and Wario attractive. This is not blubbery drivel, but the delicious truth from my round lips.

Not like it's really a huge deal since I do have a boyfriend who's around that body type (but not too fat). Isn't that right, Yomi's Biggest Fan Yomi's Biggest Fan ? :smirk:
ooooooooooooohhhhhhh. 0.0
Surprising, now I'm starting to feel the similarities.
 
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I have a very heavy confession to make: I do find fat guys like Bob and Wario attractive. This is not blubbery drivel, but the delicious truth from my round lips.

Not like it's really a huge deal since I do have a boyfriend who's around that body type (but not too fat). Isn't that right, Yomi's Biggest Fan Yomi's Biggest Fan ? :smirk:
Both of these statements apply to me.

Yes, I do have a round boyfriend. And we're both members on another site.

I would invite him over here, but I think I'm already enough craziness on my own. :p But hey, he's a smash fan too, you never know when he could potentially pop in. :p
 

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I have a very heavy confession to make: I do find fat guys like Bob and Wario attractive. This is not blubbery drivel, but the delicious truth from my round lips.

Not like it's really a huge deal since I do have a boyfriend who's around that body type (but not too fat). Isn't that right, Yomi's Biggest Fan Yomi's Biggest Fan ? :smirk:
Why yes, talk about our relationship and my body type why don't you.

She's right, part of the reason why she went over me was because of my "unique" physique. Maybe because I was that sensitive big, teddy bear that can feel good when hugging and listen to her troubles at times when we are in college. Like she said earlier, her tastes show no bounds in the old outback.
 

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Xenoblade has the most attractive character in existence though.




Just look at that tongue.
 

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I mean a big part of why fanservice is so popular is that media doesn't care about ugly people.

It's true.

Think of an ugly person in fiction.

Now answer these questions.

Were they comic relief?
Were they a villain?
Was being ugly part of their main gimmick/character trait?
Wow
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I demand an apology this instant
Not to Me
 
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Why yes, talk about our relationship and my body type why don't you.

She's right, part of the reason why she went over me was because of my "unique" physique. Maybe because I was that sensitive big, teddy bear that can feel good when hugging and listen to her troubles at times when we are in college. Like she said earlier, her tastes show no bounds in the old outback.
Oh quiet you, at least I didn't talk about the more embarrassing secrets revolving about those moobs of yours.

That's right, you did fit those qualities back then and you were someone who I can freely talk to about the things I'm normally afraid to talk about. That New Years event we had for example was pretty fantastic and I've never had that much fun with a guy in years (To Love-Ru marathon FTW). Though what was really funny was stomping your Kirby with Pichu around the same evening we had our Melee matches.

Those were memories that I would never forget. :054:
 

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I mean a big part of why fanservice is so popular is that media doesn't care about ugly people.

It's true.

Think of an ugly person in fiction.

Now answer these questions.

Were they comic relief?
Were they a villain?
Was being ugly part of their main gimmick/character trait?

We just like to talk about/write/create about attractive people because well...

They're attractive.
So essentially an ugly protag:
  • Quasimodo (arguably)
  • Hermoine (considered unattractive in the Harry Potter books, not the films with the sexy Emma Watson)
  • Triss (she's not very attractive in the Divergent books)
  • Crazy dude from GTA5 (I think he looks funny)
  • Nier (Nier)
  • Another character from Nier (the name is a spoiler)
  • Any player character in Demon's Souls
  • Captain of Vizard (BLEACH)
  • (do beast people count? )
  • (do scarred/scarring people count?)
    • Doll Girl (Night Angel Trilogy)
    • A metric **** ton of anime characters
  • (do old people count?)
To be fair, a ton of attractive characters are comic relief, villains, or beauty is their main character trait. Those options are so far reaching that they dont miss much. And many main characters (at least in books and comics) are at best average looking.

People as a whole are obsessed with beautiful people, though. I'll give you that. It's one of the reasons why people who are not attractive in books are played as attractive or average looking people.

Ugly people are out there. You just gotta belieeeeeeve!
 

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I must say; I like big butts and I cannot lie. It's something I can't deny.

But yeah, I don't mind attractive characters, but too much fanservice annoys me. Thankfully it's fairly low in Mortal Kombat of all things, but I wish the Soul series didn't overuse it. I mean, sure, it wasn't that bad up to 3, but they overdid it in 4 severely. :glare:
 
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I must say; I like big butts and I cannot lie. It's something I can't deny.

But yeah, I don't mind attractive characters, but fanservice annoys me. Thankfully it's fairly low in Mortal Kombat of all things, but I wish the Soul series didn't overuse it. I mean, sure, it wasn't that bad up to 3, but they overdid it in 4 severely. :glare:
Oooooooh yeah, Ivy in soul calibur 4 especially is just one of those characters where you wonder.... For what reason are you wearing THAT skimpy of an outfit???
 

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I must say; I like big butts and I cannot lie. It's something I can't deny.

But yeah, I don't mind attractive characters, but fanservice annoys me. Thankfully it's fairly low in Mortal Kombat of all things, but I wish the Soul series didn't overuse it. I mean, sure, it wasn't that bad up to 3, but they overdid it in 4 severely. :glare:
Did you miss MK9? Because that game went over the top with it. Not to say it was bad but man Sonya's outfit and Mileena in general (especially her 3rd alt).

MKX just toned it down.

But I do agree with Soul series but that's is mostly with Ivy and somewhat Taki.

Atleast those games aren't as bad as most anime fighters (seriously Arcana Hearts)
 

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Y'know
On the topic of all the "I like so-and-so"
What I like
Are small, cute, pink puffballs with limbs and a face.

Because I much prefer "adorable" than "sexy". :4pacman:
 

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Oh quiet you, at least I didn't talk about the more embarrassing secrets revolving about those moobs of yours.

That's right, you did fit those qualities back then and you were someone who I can freely talk to about the things I'm normally afraid to talk about. That New Years event we had for example was pretty fantastic and I've never had that much fun with a guy in years (To Love-Ru marathon FTW). Though what was really funny was stomping your Kirby with Pichu around the same evening we had our Melee matches.

Those were memories that I would never forget. :054:
You were right, that night was pretty fantastic. I could remember it like it was yesterday and felt comfortable with the idea of watching a fanservice filled anime next to a beautiful girl like you (shocking for its to me). Your Pichu was a pretty mean mother and Kirby couldn't breath as long as he tackled him to death before the Thundershock KO. I hope that this year's New Year's event is equally as good.

Though enough of that since I can tell our friends had heard enough of our relationship. Moving on to more talk about ugliness and hunchbacks or whatnot. :laugh:
 

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What. There's tons of fanservice in MK. With character designs like that I don't think you can deny it.

May i mention Mileena's costume which is literally just gauze that really defines her “womanhood“?
 
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Did you miss MK9? Because that game went over the top with it. Not to say it was bad but man Sonya's outfit and Mileena in general (especially her 3rd alt).

MKX just toned it down.

But I do agree with Soul series but that's is mostly with Ivy and somewhat Taki.

Atleast those games aren't as bad as most anime fighters (seriously Arcana Hearts)
Mileena looks soooo good in MKX, yet she's wearing more clothes and has smaller boobs than ever before. To me that only shows how sorry so many designers have become that they need all the goodies hanging out to make a character look good.
 

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>Implying Waluigi is Ugly.
I'm implying that Swamp is implying that.
Waluigi is a beautiful creature and a very classy man.
The guy breaks the 4th wall in Mario Party 8 and pulls out a rose straight from LEGO Star Wars and tips his hat.
Classy as ****.
 

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Mileena looks soooo good in MKX, yet she's wearing more clothes and has smaller boobs than ever before. To me that only shows how sorry so many designers have become that they need all the goodies hanging out to make a character look good.
She does look great in MKX except for the mouth. It looks fine but it's really jarring with those lips considering her design over the years was looking like Baraka.
 
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Mileena looks soooo good in MKX, yet she's wearing more clothes and has smaller boobs than ever before. To me that only shows how sorry so many designers have become that they need all the goodies hanging out to make a character look good.
Yes, often less is more when it comes to attractive characters.
 

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Did you miss MK9? Because that game went over the top with it. Not to say it was bad but man Sonya's outfit and Mileena in general (especially her 3rd alt).

MKX just toned it down.

But I do agree with Soul series but that's is mostly with Ivy and somewhat Taki.

Atleast those games aren't as bad as most anime fighters (seriously Arcana Hearts)
I make a small edit, but I did forget to say "bar MK9". Yeah, I hated the costumes in that game. The story is pretty topnotch, and at least Mileena doesn't bother me(she was always like that, but that seems to be something with Edenians and Shao Kahn's preferences anyway). Also, Shao Kahn made the Edenians wear even more clothing when he took over. Strange, isn't it?
 
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I make a small edit, but I did forget to say "bar MK9". Yeah, I hated the costumes in that game. The story is pretty topnotch, and at least Mileena doesn't bother me(she was always like that, but that seems to be something with Edenians and Shao Kahn's preferences anyway). Also, Shao Kahn made the Edenians wear even more clothing when he took over. Strange, isn't it?
Yeah.... And then there's Jade's victory pose. :rolleyes:
 

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I make a small edit, but I did forget to say "bar MK9". Yeah, I hated the costumes in that game. The story is pretty topnotch, and at least Mileena doesn't bother me(she was always like that, but that seems to be something with Edenians and Shao Kahn's preferences anyway). Also, Shao Kahn made the Edenians wear even more clothing when he took over. Strange, isn't it?
I think the Klassic costumes look more attractive than their normal ones. (Seriously I love MK3 Mileena in HD and MK2 Jade as well)
 

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I like new Mileena a lot. Tbh I'm not the biggest fan of Mortal Kombat but she's my favorite character and always has been. Making her less "mutant woman headeater with pink thong and the mind of a 5 year old" and more "evil queen with huge teeth and bad intents" was a really good move.
 

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They are outright not going to sell DOA Xtreme Beach Volleyball 3 in the West because of the whole SJW issue


SJW's have won
 
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I like new Mileena a lot. Tbh I'm not the biggest fan of Mortal Kombat but she's my favorite character and always has been. Making her less "mutant woman headeater with pink thong and the mind of a 5 year old" and more "evil queen with huge teeth and bad intents" was a really good move.

Thing is before MK9, Mileena was a really **** character.

She never had the sexy monster girl in games and was just a boring psycho who wanted to be like her sister. Her character was really a full nothing and everyone knew it. MK9 just rebooted her character and made her better and the transition worked.
 

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Thing is before MK9, Mileena was a really **** character.

She never had the sexy monster girl in games and was just a boring psycho who wanted to be like her sister. Her character was really a full nothing and everyone knew it. MK9 just rebooted her character and made her better and the transition worked.
This is why I don't mind her story costume. For one thing, she just got out of a test tube. She wouldn't be in full clothing at that point, just the most basic. Since being nude wouldn't be acceptable outside of an AO rated game, and even then... The other is it fits her personality perfectly. She's the only one in 9 I found worked with her story costume well. Well, besides the ones that weren't fanservice in a stupid way. Like respectively Shao Kahn who always looked like that, Liu Kang(same reason), and Stryker. There were some others that looked reasonable, at least, although I think all of them were male?
 
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Thing is before MK9, Mileena was a really **** character.

She never had the sexy monster girl in games and was just a boring psycho who wanted to be like her sister. Her character was really a full nothing and everyone knew it. MK9 just rebooted her character and made her better and the transition worked.
I would agree, if Mortal Kombat Deception didn't exist. I think that's when her sexyness/uglyness at the same time sort of deal really started kicking in. In fact, I always thought that MK9 Mileena was trying to be a lot like Mileena in deception.(Which isn't a bad thing at all, because before Deception, she was, like you said, just a boring psycho who wanted to be like her sister.)
 
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