Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Kenith]

I never played the single player in Command, but apparently it's god awful. Could anyone elaborate on why it's so bad? Normally the only complaint I hear is that it basically ***** the cannon.

Which is weird for a series where a good chunk of the fan base supposedly doesn't care about story.

Like Metroid, I imagine they don't care about the story until it's bad.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I never played the single player in Command, but apparently it's god awful. Could anyone elaborate on why it's so bad? Normally the only complaint I hear is that it basically ***** the cannon.

Which is weird for a series where a good chunk of the fan base supposedly doesn't care about story.

Krystal becomes kind of a *****.

I mean, I'm not sure how else to put it. She's just too whiny and cruel. Yeah, Fox made a **** move by kicking her out of the team because he wanted to keep her safe but she joined Star Wolf and started a relationship with Panther to spite him. That's just mean and it happens before the story meaning you can't prevent it. Moreover, she's just so darn depressing... It's just bad.....

Everyone else is okay and is relatively close to canon (minus some neat development for some others characters like Slippy growing a pair and getting married and ROB64's character being expanded). Overall, I liked Command. It could be grating at times, but it was a fun diversion. I just didn't like Krystal's poopyness.

 

[DeathFox137]

I never played the single player in Command, but apparently it's god awful. Could anyone elaborate on why it's so bad? Normally the only complaint I hear is that it basically ***** the cannon.

Which is weird for a series where a good chunk of the fan base supposedly doesn't care about story.

Believe it or not, I have the game. It has the mapping system like the cancelled StarFox 2 and gameplay. What kills it for me is the touchscreen controls. Touching the screen moves and stuff. Firing button.........well, every button. But I do have something positive about Krystal. This is the strongest character development I have seen from her by far in a StarFox game. But the game also has branches. Depending on what you do or how you complete the missions, it could take you to a different level or something. But it can also lead to a different ending. I like that concept, but I wish that it wasn't too reliant on touchscreen controls. I understand what they were trying to do, but it didn't work out.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Apparently the new starcraft expansion came out

I didn't know it was coming out this soon

The other ones were released in spring

 

[finalark]

Like Metroid, I imagine they don't care about the story until it's bad.

I'm not going to say that Other M had a good story, but I'm not going to say that the other games were exactly masterworks of fiction.

Honestly, there are plenty of other reasons why Other M is bad. Such as:

Poorly implemented motion controls.

Trying to confine a 3D beat 'em normally played with something like an Xbox or PS control onto a single wiimote.

Turning Metroid into a really mediocre beat 'em up.

Lying to fans about it being a "return to 2D" when it was really just a convenient way to cover up the fact that it's actually a mediocre beat 'em up.

I feel like these things get overlooked.

 

[Chrono.]

I'm not going to say that Other M had a good story, but I'm not going to say that the other games were exactly masterworks of fiction.

That's because they weren't trying to be.

Other M was marketed as a cinematic game (even the game's box art tells you this) and it was supposed to have a bigger focus on the story, unlike past entries (which while most did have stories, they took a backseat to the gameplay).

So yes, it's completely normal and justified for people to put the story on blast for this game on blast while not caring for the others, especially since it's a series first.

 

[Deleted member]

Krystal fans rejoice, you got all of the fanfiction you ever could have wanted from SF Command. She isn't needed anymore.

 

[MasterofMonster]

I hate how we didn't see Federation Force in the last Direct. I really wanna see more of it. Screw the haters, it may not be the Metroid I wanted, but it does not deserve all the hate, and I for one am excited to see more.

*steals Swampy's nose*

I also hope it comes with a Chibi Amiibo, just for the hilarity of it all~

 

[finalark]

So yes, it's completely normal and justified for people to put the story on blast for this game on blast while not caring for the others, especially since it's a series first.

I'm not trying to say that you're not justified for disliking the game because of the story. What I am saying is that the game's story issues were just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not trying to say that you're not justified for disliking the game because of the story. What I am saying is that the game's story issues were just the tip of the iceberg.

Honestly, I agree. The story may have been horrendous, but the gameplay is even more horrendous.

First off the controls are confusing and jank the way you do things cause you have a limited amount of buttons since you are using only a Wii Remote for whatever reason. Not only that, it's a 3D game and you are using a D-Pad to play it, something that is designed to work with games with minimal movement directions (etc 2D games). Doesn't make for an enjoyable experience just from that alone.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

*steals Swampy's nose*

YOU *******!

I NEED THAT!

 

[Shroob]

This time next week, we'll be waiting on December to come within 24 hours.

 

[Kenith]

I hate how we didn't see Federation Force in the last Direct. I really wanna see more of it. Screw the haters, it may not be the Metroid I wanted, but it does not deserve all the hate, and I for one am excited to see more.

*steals Swampy's nose*

I also hope it comes with a Chibi Amiibo, just for the hilarity of it all~

Honestly I think they didn't show it off for that reason. They didn't think they could redeem it with a single Direct.

 

[MasterofMonster]

YOU *******!

I NEED THAT!

I just figured you were so great you could do without a nose. You saying you aren't as great as I thought?

Honestly I think they didn't show it off for that reason. They didn't think they could redeem it with a single Direct.

Yeah, most likely. They know very well how hated the game is (poor NLG), and I could see them skipping it just to not make people find anything negative to complain about in said Direct. Or maybe they are working hard to change it enough to make people happy? Or it simply wasn't time to show it yet? Either way, I am very curious to see how the project goes. ^^

 

[Zane13pyro]

well I cant wait for warriors for 3ds and the final fantasy exploders game too soo much

I hate how we didn't see Federation Force in the last Direct. I really wanna see more of it. Screw the haters, it may not be the Metroid I wanted, but it does not deserve all the hate, and I for one am excited to see more.

cool stuff lol

Yeah, most likely. They know very well how hated the game is (poor NLG), and I could see them skipping it just to not make people find anything negative to complain about in said Direct. Or maybe they are working hard to change it enough to make people happy? Or it simply wasn't time to show it yet? Either way, I am very curious to see how the project goes. ^^

 

[Radical Bones]

Ultra Smash is actually freaking fun.

They just disguised 4 mini games as a main game.

Even knockout challenge is more of a mini game than a mode.

And they had the balls to basically include an achievements page... of which 12 are 'beat knockout challenge with X character'.

The whole thing is a slap in the face.

...but it's so fun.

 

[jahkzheng]

That news about Krystal not being in Star Fox Zero... that's been known among her supporters for a while now. That news is indeed old. And even if it wasn't outright said, it's been implied since E3. Admittedly, there was that slim chance she could show up in a cameo or as DLC or something, but ever since Zero was confirmed a reimagining of the events of Lylat Wars, she was already out of the story.

Fact is, the events of the Lylat Wars happen prior to her joining the team anyways. This also means that Zero doesn't affect Krystal's status as far as the franchise is concerned. Her lack of an appearance doesn't mean her character will never appear in another Star Fox game, heh. In fact, Platinum has expressed an interest in working with the characters of Star Fox's later canon if they get another opportunity to make a Star Fox.

And reimagining or not, the events of Adventures and Assault could still happen within the timeline of Zero. One might say, Star Fox Zero is similar to Metroid Zero Mission. I doesn't necessarily appear to be a game looking to change major events, but is instead a game that appears to be adding depth, details, and new content to an existing story.

Anyways, as a Krystal supporter, I figured I should throw in my two cents since there was some question as to what we think of this.

 

[Kenith]

I know I would be a lot more willing to try Federation Force if they revamped the visuals to...actually look like Metroid Prime.
If that's why they aren't talking about it then that is a very good thing.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ultra Smash is actually freaking fun.

They just disguised 4 mini games as a main game.

Even knockout challenge is more of a mini game than a mode.

And they had the balls to basically include an achievements page... of which 12 are 'beat knockout challenge with X character'.

The whole thing is a slap in the face.

...but it's so fun.

So...

Would you recommend it for a lower price?

If I can get it cheap, is it worth it?

I mean, its pretty, what's there looks fun and the music sounds nice. I should like it, but I don't want to spend that much money on things I won't use much.

 

[FalKoopa]

My mouse died and I bought the cheapest one I could find as a temporary replacement

It has no back or forward buttons.

That's so weird. I like, don't know how to use a computer anymore

People actually use those extra buttons?

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And wow, that's quite a lot of news to wake up to. To recap

• Bravely Second's Native American headgear was changed to a cowboy hat.
• Krystal isn't in StarFox Zero (which probably kills her Smash 4 chances)
• Did I miss anything?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

People actually use those extra buttons?

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And wow, that's quite a lot of news to wake up to. To recap

• Bravely Second's Native American headgear was changed to a cowboy hat.
• Krystal isn't in StarFox Zero (which probably kills her Smash 4 chances)
• Did I miss anything?

I go back and forward in windows all the time, and it's much easier to use the buttons than bring it all the way to the top

I do a lot of research and have to switch between a lot of things

 

[Frostwraith]

NoA is pretty localization happy, but some of those changes are very much required in order to get the game to you. If you don't want to deal with localization then learning Japanese and playing the original is the only way as even with a straight translation things are bound to be messed up.

Localization is always a tricky subject, especially nowadays considering people can get to see the Japanese version beforehand.

While changes with localization have always existed, less people noticed them due to information about the Japanese games was scarce. With the advent of the Internet, it's easier to find out that games are changed through the localization process.

Also, add the fact there are more fans of Japanese media, including anime and manga, which hardly have any changes and the few series that had them were met with derision, the most infamous case being how 4kids handled One Piece.

When that subset of fans sees a Japanese game being altered as Xenoblade X and seemingly Bravely Second were, they don't quite like it. This is one of the reasons there are many dub haters in the anime fandom.

Speaking of this subject, here's a theory I found on GameFAQs surrounding the recent Xenoblade X controversies: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/701151-xenoblade-chronicles-x/72835798

Back to Xenoblade X, in regards to Lin's fanservice outfit, it was a "doomed if they do, doomed if they don't" kind of thing. Surely, you remember the news articles and the controversies surrounding that subject. Headlines such as "NINTENDO SEXUALIZES 13-YEAR-OLD GIRL". Now that they were censored, the headlines are all "NINTENDO CENSORED FEMALE OUTFITS XENOBLADE CHRONICLES X".

Everything is going to be scrutinized whether they do or don't alter the games during localization. As a matter of fact, some Western games have been altered for Japanese releases.

Comparing to anime and manga releases, I'd say that, since those are a niche market, companies benefit with not changing any stuff for general audiences. With video games, it's different. There is a larger audience for video games overall. Of course, I would say that Xenoblade X and Bravely Second are just as niche as anime and manga, but nonetheless are still more accessible than the former.

In regards to Xenoblade X's changes, I actually agree with censoring Lin's outfit. All other women, older and mature, still have the outfits intact. (I'd argue that such kind of risqué wear is very out of place in a sci-fi game about exploring an alien planet and fighting for humanity's survival, and shouldn't have been in the game in the first place, but I digress and those are optional anyway.)

The removal of the breast slider was unnecessary, though. After all, there were female gamers actually wanting to make use of this feature for their personalized avatar.

Though I must say, it's best to have a game released with changes than having no game at all. This wasn't the first time and certainly won't be the last time that games got this kind of changes. Of course, it's also important that companies get a better understanding of each of their games' target audience when coming up with localization choices.

I walked up and down stairs for ten minutes.

Fit Power!

Sounds like you need a coach.

That's because they weren't trying to be.

Other M was marketed as a cinematic game (even the game's box art tells you this) and it was supposed to have a bigger focus on the story, unlike past entries (which while most did have stories, they took a backseat to the gameplay).

So yes, it's completely normal and justified for people to put the story on blast for this game on blast while not caring for the others, especially since it's a series first.

After reading up stuff about Other M and how Yoshio Sakamoto was very emotionally invested in that game and its story, it's difficult to not feel bad for him considering that all that effort resulted in a huge controversy and put the series under another hiatus.

Perhaps, the problem is that he was too invested and overlooked potential issues? Who knows. Passion can be good, but being too passionate can result in overlooking negative criticism.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

About the boob slider, it was an unnecessary, but I don't really mind that it was removed.

The bust as is, is decent, so I can't complain

 

[Deleted member]

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Happy birthday to the one which created my favorite Internet meme.

 

[jahkzheng]

Speaking of Xenoblade Chronicles X... I'm pretty excited about it. It's more hype for me than Smash news in fact, though only because I think it's happening first plus I actually know what to anticipate and I can see it's awesome.

Granted, Smash news stuff will be awesome too but there's a good chance I wont get everything I'm hoping for so it won't be as "super hype" for me as it could be. Better to just wait it out without overblowing expectations so I can be more excited about what we do get as soon as the news arrives.

Besides, I always feel better about this stuff when I give it a chance to sink in anyways, and not getting too anxious about it will make the "sinking in" part happen faster. I'm really looking forward to getting Cloud now, for instance, but when he was first revealed I was more surprised it wasn't a more popular first party choice and less happy than I ought to have been admittedly. I just had to let it sink in is all. Watching the reveal trailer a few times did the trick. Still, Cloud wasn't my first or even tenth choice, but he's an awesome and truly incredible addition all the same.

 

[Kenith]

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Happy birthday to the one which created my favorite Internet meme.

TFW When you instinctively go to make a doge joke only to discover the tweet has already done so
Much disappoint.
Very sad.

 

[FalKoopa]

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Happy birthday to the one which created my favorite Internet meme.

One of those memes that never fails to crack me up. Happy Birthday.

much years. very veteran. such history. wow

 

[TheAnvil]

That news about Krystal not being in Star Fox Zero... that's been known among her supporters for a while now. That news is indeed old. And even if it wasn't outright said, it's been implied since E3. Admittedly, there was that slim chance she could show up in a cameo or as DLC or something, but ever since Zero was confirmed a reimagining of the events of Lylat Wars, she was already out of the story.

Fact is, the events of the Lylat Wars happen prior to her joining the team anyways. This also means that Zero doesn't affect Krystal's status as far as the franchise is concerned. Her lack of an appearance doesn't mean her character will never appear in another Star Fox game, heh. In fact, Platinum has expressed an interest in working with the characters of Star Fox's later canon if they get another opportunity to make a Star Fox.

And reimagining or not, the events of Adventures and Assault could still happen within the timeline of Zero. One might say, Star Fox Zero is similar to Metroid Zero Mission. I doesn't necessarily appear to be a game looking to change major events, but is instead a game that appears to be adding depth, details, and new content to an existing story.

Anyways, as a Krystal supporter, I figured I should throw in my two cents since there was some question as to what we think of this.

Star Fox Zero is a soft reboot. Basically, they'll be disregarding the elements that didn't work. Ala anything that wasn't Lylat Wars (even though I personally LOVE SFA).

They may say it now, but Krystal's chances or ever returning are practically non-existent. The best Krystal fans can hope for is that she'll be selectable in a multiplayer mode in a future game.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

I never really minded Krystal (though that's probably due to the fact I got into the series with Assault). But she did always feel out of place, mainly due to the fact she wasn't meant to be a StarFox character to begin with.

However, with StarFox Zero seeming to be hitting the reboot button, I'm interested to see what they'll do with Krystal if they re-introduce her.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Krystal's one of my favorite characters. She felt unique and still worked well within the settings. The other few females didn't really stand out at all to me, being very simple characters with far less personality. As for Smash, unless Wolf was already on the base roster, I didn't think she'd be in(whether DLC or base roster). When Wolf was found out to not be in, that killed her chances as DLC for me already. This literally makes no difference, as she'd never have gotten in over a far more popular character, especially due to being a veteran.

With Zero being well before games like Adventures and Assault, of course she wouldn't make sense to appear yet. I honestly don't think this means anything other than them following the actual timeline realistically. I could see her changed up a bit, but she's still one of the more popular characters anyway, so her being in later games in the reboot timeline as a normal character in the story seems quite likely to me.

 

[FalKoopa]

I think Krystal has a decent chance of returning in future games, although she'll get quite noticeably changed. The tweet did say he wanted Krystal if he works on a sequel.

I don't think all hope is lost.

 

[Kenith]

I'll never understand why Nintendo decided to do a cross-promotion with Krystal for three Starfox games.
I mean, I don't get why you need to promote a fast food chain in a Nintendo game. Even if they are good.

 

[Radical Bones]

So...

Would you recommend it for a lower price?

If I can get it cheap, is it worth it?

I mean, its pretty, what's there looks fun and the music sounds nice. I should like it, but I don't want to spend that much money on things I won't use much.

Yeah, don't spend full price on it, but if you see it on sale (I'm assuming A LOT of people will trade this one in), definitely pick it up.

If DLC is on the cards, I hope it's more than a boost in characters. This game needs modes - let's see if Camelot are listening to the feedback.

 

[Deleted member]

It's kinda odd. I prefer Project M and Melee over Smash 4, but competitively, I absolutely hate L-Cancelling and Wavedashing and what they do to the game so in that regard I think I prefer Smash 4 competitively despite preferring how Project M and Melee play more.

 

[Deleted member]

I couldn't care less about Krystal
I just find her bland compared to other Star Forx characters
It also doesn't help that she is, like, the only female character in Star Fox
Also, never4get Kursed

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

I couldn't care less about Krystal
I just find her bland compared to other Star Forx characters
It also doesn't help that she is, like, the only female character in Star Fox
Also, never4get Kursed

Man, we need those two characters from the Star Fox 2 game the got scrapped....

I believe their names were Miyu and Fay?

 

[Kenith]

I...I don't understand how someone could hate L-cancelling. It's like, amazing.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

I...I don't understand how someone could hate L-cancelling. It's like, amazing.

Cancels out the fun, ya know what I'm sayin'? :V

 

[Deleted member]

I...I don't understand how someone could hate L-cancelling. It's like, amazing.

Because it creates a gap between players and players with frame perfect inputs
If one player uses it, the other is at an unfair disadvantage
If both use it, it's pointless

 

[Deleted member]

I...I don't understand how someone could hate L-cancelling. It's like, amazing.

Because it's literally the lowest form of "depth" imaginable. It's something that is always useful so I don't see the point of it existing when it literally adds nothing to the game as far as depth is concerned. It's cool you have less lag, but why not just make that universal? It's not something that you can choose not to do given the situation, it's always going to be the thing you should be doing.

It would be like driving a car and each time you turn the steering wheel, you have to press a button for it to turn faster. It would be much better to just have a steering wheel without the button and works the same way all the time. The button becomes monotonous at that point.