Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[epicmartin7]

Um... just curious. Would you guys want to start a forum game betting on the date of the direct? One date could be the Game Awards 2015 (First Week of December) vs. the Second Week of December.

 

[Soul.]

I was wondering what exactly happened to the 3DS version's demo but no one answered, so I'll ask it again:

What changed?

 

[PLATINUM7]

Platinum can be a *****.

Hey, I resemble that statement.
Or at least, I use to. Well, when I change my name back I will.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I got my Bowser Amiibo fixed!

I also made the biggest Christmas list ever.

 

[Naoshi]

If Cloud is Ballot, then that proves that fan polls mean jack****
If Cluod isn't Ballot, then that means, uh, I dunno, what does it mean?

Eh, I think fan polls from random communities were full of **** since the beginning.

So... here's a strawpoll for you guys.

*Do you think the Smash Presentation will air before The Game Awards 2015 in order to hype it up?

*This means the Smash Presentation will air on the same day as the actual "The Game Awards 2015".

It is best that we pretend the Game Awards doesn't exist. Always thought that show was meaningless.

 

[Fenriraga]

Smash broadcast will be the new cranky kong.

Oh god not agai-

Never do that **** again Nintendo, or at least don't hype it up so much...

 

[epicmartin7]

What is ****ing wrong with this world.

Spoiler

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

I have a random question:

There's this song that I heard back in October 2014 that was like some hip-hop track. I don't know what it's called. It talks about music, at least in the chorus.

It went something like: "muuuusic *something, something, something* muuuuusic *something, something, something*"
"everybody(?) music"

Does anybody know what I'm talking about? I hate it when I can't find the name of something.

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[Z25]

Um... just curious. Would you guys want to start a forum game betting on the date of the direct? One date could be the Game Awards 2015 (First Week of December) vs. the Second Week of December.

Not after last time....

I was wondering what exactly happened to the 3DS version's demo but no one answered, so I'll ask it again:

What changed?

Basically they completely redid the code. shiny quagsire has more here:
https://twitter.com/ShinyQuagsire

I got my Bowser Amiibo fixed!

I also made the biggest Christmas list ever.

Nice, congrats, and how big is this list and why?

 

[Parallel_Falchion]

All this stretching to say that Cloud is pre-ballot is just wishful thinking. After all, the more pre-ballot fighters we get, the more we get overall, since the ballot choices are still to come! Especially if it's not K. Rool, because obviously K. Rool is the ballot winner.

Everything Sakurai has said suggests Cloud is ballot. Not just the recent "fulfilled a difficult request," but also "The rest will be fanservice" from when Lucas, Roy, and Ryu were released.

 

[Chrono.]

I was wondering what exactly happened to the 3DS version's demo but no one answered, so I'll ask it again:

What changed?

"Huge code changes".

Nothing really important to us.

 

[Z25]

What is ****ing wrong with this world.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

John Cena's got this, just look at what he could in the scooby doo movie.

Spoiler

But if this is true, that's a very weird target for them. And it just means that it can be stopped before it happens now

 

[N3ON]

Fan polls on their own don't mean that much but considering none of the fan polls placed Cloud particularly highly and there was no notable online Smash community that actually had a Cloud bias, or any sort of real fanbase for him at all, the claims that some silent majority managed to make Cloud so popular the process to add him must've started almost right out of the gate seem a little dubious to say the least. And some ambiguous tweet from Sakurai isn't enough to make me think otherwise, especially when we'll probably be getting clarification next month.

 

[Naoshi]

What is ****ing wrong with this world.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Anonymous has a bit of a poor track record, so it's hard to say if they got genuine intel. But better safe than sorry. WWE as a target isn't too strange though, given that one of the attacks in Paris was targeted towards Eagles of Death Metal's concert. ISIS wants to attack when there's a huge gathering.

Stay safe everyone!

 

[TheAnvil]

All this stretching to say that Cloud is pre-ballot is just wishful thinking. After all, the more pre-ballot fighters we get, the more we get overall, since the ballot choices are still to come! Especially if it's not K. Rool, because obviously K. Rool is the ballot winner.

Everything Sakurai has said suggests Cloud is ballot. Not just the recent "fulfilled a difficult request," but also "The rest will be fanservice" from when Lucas, Roy, and Ryu were released.

Not at all. We could easily get 1 ballot character. I literally just said that it doesn't matter either way because it won't effect the amount of DLC we get.

 

[Parallel_Falchion]

Not at all. We could easily get 1 ballot character. I literally just said that it doesn't matter either way because it won't effect the amount of DLC we get.

You're not wrong about the amount of DLC we'll get, but it clearly matters to people who bother to discuss it.

 

[Z25]

Was browsing 4chan for leaks and found this:

lol, this needs to be a thing.

 

[RaiKai18]

The only character that I want from the Smash Ballot would be Sora (Come at me). If he don't, I'll be happy with just Cloud as a SE rep

 

[N3ON]

God bless the Smash ballot for giving Banjo a chance.

Perhaps not much of a chance.

But a chance nonetheless.

:D

 

[TheAnvil]

The only character that I want from the Smash Ballot would be Sora (Come at me). If he don't, I'll be happy with just Cloud as a SE rep

Pretty sure Disney owns him though.

 

[Arcanir]

Sakurai said it takes 6 months to finish a character, and that's probably just for the development side of things. It's going to take a while from a legal standpoint to actually get Cloud in the game. We're in November and Cloud looks finished basically finished already. That would indicate that Cloud was planned since April, at the very least.

Could he be ballot? Sure. But that would mean that Sakurai picked him from the ballot practically the instant it went live.

6 Months before December would be June, which would be two months into the ballot and just before we first got Lucas, Ryu and Roy. I'm not sure I'd say that it's impossible to believe he started work around then, particularly since we don't know the full extent of how much work has gone into Cloud already (and no, just going by the trailer doesn't say that he's nearly done for certain, trailers can mask flaws).

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I don't think Cloud being a Ballot choice means much as it was never an actual pure popularity contest, but a way to suggest characters. Besides, the only characters who has pretty much been negatively affected by Cloud to begin with are the non-iconic third-party characters.

So I'm going to predict for the December Direct:

-We are infact only getting two characters left.
-One WONT be Wolf (Curses!!!!)
-No more first party characters
-SK could very well be the ballot winner (Still hope this isn't true)
-We will get a M$ rep in some form. (Might not be ballot related)

The Microsoft rep seems like its been in our faces the whole time. Phil Spencer said he would love to use Banjo in Smash. He let Nintendo use jetpac in DK64 on VC. Theres the mysterious Windows logo in Mario Maker. (Seriously, what is this about?!?!?!?)

It might not even be Banjo, but it seems like its a pretty good possibility. Banjo did score very well on the poll regardless, so its possible he could be ballot related. I'm also very confident Cloud is not ballot related.

With all due respect, there is a huge difference between actual reasonable pessimism and just being completely unrealistic. I understand that you're not exactly brimming in positivity, but some of these predictions are far too extreme. No more first-party characters despite Sakurai himself stating that this crossover can still be considered "as an all-star collection of Nintendo characters"?! Shovel Knight as a "ballot winner" despite that concept being nothing more than a fan-made rule?!* Come on!

Spoiler

*disclaimer: before some master comedian comments on the omission of me making any comment on Shovel Knight in a negative light and joking about how it is because I now believe he has a plausible chance and that he is a good choice, don't. I just didn't feel like repeating my points over and over again like a track record.

 

[Digital Hazard]

... I haven't posted here all day but I watched...

I want Shantae but I don't have high hopes.

 

[AncientTobacco]

When did Sakurai say it takes six months to develop a character?

I only remember him saying that it can take over a year to develop a character when he was talking about the base game. I thought the six months thing was just a fan estimate for DLC characters, based on Mewtwo etc.

 

[Champ Gold]

I don't think Cloud being a Ballot choice means much as it was never an actual pure popularity contest, but a way to suggest characters. Besides, the only characters who has pretty much been negatively affected by Cloud to begin with are the non-iconic third-party characters.


With all due respect, there is a huge difference between actual reasonable pessimism and just being completely unrealistic. I understand that you're not exactly brimming in positivity, but some of these predictions are far too extreme. No more first-party characters despite Sakurai himself stating that this crossover can still be considered "as an all-star collection of Nintendo characters"?! Shovel Knight as a "ballot winner" despite that concept being nothing more than a fan-made rule?!* Come on!

Spoiler

*disclaimer: before some master comedian comments on the omission of me making any comment on Shovel Knight in a negative light and joking about how it is because I now believe he has a plausible chance and that he is a good choice, don't. I just didn't feel like repeating my points over and over again like a track record.

True Blue, you're the only person here I can understandingly trust and isn't 100% optimistic and/or pessimistic.

Trust me on this, you're pretty much on a short list on people's opinions of who I trust and understand deeply.

That and you have been pretty much right on with character discussions

 

[TheAnvil]

6 Months before December would be June, which would be two months into the ballot and just before we first got Lucas, Ryu and Roy. I'm not sure I'd say that it's impossible to believe he started work around then, particularly since we don't know the full extent of how much work has gone into Cloud already (and no, just going by the trailer doesn't say that he's nearly done for certain, trailers can mask flaws).

Last I checked we're in November, which would place it in May. Not June. Add to that all the legal jumbo that it takes to license a 3rd Party character.

It's not as if Sakurai rang Square Enix and said "Yo, gonna put Cloud in Smash. That ok?".

 

[Zane13pyro]

I'm kind of surprised how many people apparently get most of their knowledge about Pikmin stuff from watching Chuggaaconroy's let's plays. I don't have a problem with it though; I'm just happy to find other people to talk about Pikmin with, whether they know about it from watching other people play the games or playing them themselves.

Chugga Chugga Chugga ..... sorry big fan .w.

You say this under the assumption that ballot characters will be lazily made.

I don't see how having unique gameplay mechanics means a character MUST be pre-ballot. The grand majority of SSB4's newcomers have unique mechanics.

Actually, re-reading this, not a single point you've made has anything to do with ballot status whatsoever. "It's non-ballot because it's technical!" makes no sense.

its pre-ballot because it takes a long time to make a fighter 3-6months and that would put Cloud deployment around the start of the ballot I believe but I could be wrong... anyway sorry to bug you lol

...Thinking about it more, maybe Cloud really WAS only started recently.

I mean, he looks damn far along to be sure, but if he was completely finished I don't see why they'd hold off on releasing him until the stream next month. Plus, no new remixes (and it WILL have one.) in the trailer or anything, or Steve Burton saying he recorded, and I heavily doubt they would not use his English actor for the US release, it'd be way too jaring considering all other characters with multi-language actors have had their regional voices, even to the extent of Sonic having literally every language option from Generations. If they really wanted to, they could have just re used English lines from Dissidia or something for Cloud's trailer, not like he says a whole lot.

...I'm reading too deep into this, but Burb may be on point with this one. I literally go and say it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, then go and over examine it anyway. :V

well Cloud doesn't have any English voice recorded and we only saw wii-u so maybe the 3-ds one isn't done .w.

 

[Radical Bones]

Yesterday I reset my old town data on Animal Crossing New Leaf and started a new town: Radical.

I forgot how fun and chilled this game is.

How clever are Nintendo. Haven't played New Leaf in years. Buys AC amiibos. Plays for hours.

Isabelle 4 Smash.

 

[Champ Gold]

Random Question but wanting a new topic


What game would work wonders under a Maker-styled game like Mario Kart Maker, Zelda Maker or even F-Zero Maker

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Determining when Cloud was started and whether he's ballot or not is just one spitballing game.

The only thing we know is that...

• Characters and Stages take a long time, anywhere from 6 months to a year.
• Cloud and Midgar have been in development for quite some time.
• The ballot opened in April and closed in October.
• Sakurai implied that Cloud was a difficult request, though he used similar language about Lucas, Roy and Ryu.

We really don't know much.

Regardless, I hope we get more than three characters.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Random Question but wanting a new topic


What game would work wonders under a Maker-styled game like Mario Kart Maker, Zelda Maker or even F-Zero Maker

Quest 64 Maker /Bias
Dragon Quest Maker
Final Fantasy Maker
Pokemon Maker
Digimon Maker
Wario Land Maker
And what you listed.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Random Question but wanting a new topic


What game would work wonders under a Maker-styled game like Mario Kart Maker, Zelda Maker or even F-Zero Maker

2D LoZ could be fun
Original/link to the past/ LBW

Fire Emblem would be really really awesome. Everything is already in squares. (I would actually buy this unlike other makers)

Mega man maker is already a thing apparently. . .

Original Kid Icarus and metroid

 

[True Blue Warrior]

True Blue, you're the only person here I can understandingly trust and isn't 100% optimistic and/or pessimistic.

Trust me on this, you're pretty much on a short list on people's opinions of who I trust and understand deeply.

That and you have been pretty much right on with character discussions

I've been 100% wrong about a DK character (at least Dixie or K. Rool) and Mewtwo being on the initial roster, and to be honest, I only started seriously getting into Smash 4 speculation long after were revealed. Since then( Only because of Gematsu) (when he was first leaked) in the inital roster caught me by surprise. Whilst I never thought Rosalina had an implausible chance, I didn't think she was as likely as someone like Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario and thus I underestimated her. I don't think I really had much of an opinion on Greninja's chance considering I thought, as Mewtwo was the poster boy of Gen 6, that the Pokemon characters we were going to likely have were the Brawl ones plus him. Robin I started thinking about after Rosalina getting in due to his uniqueness and realised "Hey, he would make sense, he's one of the main two characters of Awakening and he would bring more diversity than Chrom so he has that advantage" and really only started thinking Chrom was the most likely due to Gematsu (before, I thought it would most likely be Robin, Chrom or Lucina, not two of them). As for the Duck Hunt Dog, I never really thought heavily about him before he was leaked as I figured Takamaru was the most likely but once I thought about it, I realised how awesome and how much it would make sense to have the legendary trolling dog in Smash.

were characters I always figured had a plausible chance because the ywere planned for Brawl and yet Doctor Mario still managed to surprise me, not in of himself ( I felt that as far as last minute additions go, he could be one of them) but because he managed to make it in whilst Roy and Mewtwo didn't. Roy being DLC I always felt made sense. It was Ryu who caught me off guard as I thought we weren't going to get a second Capcom character, but once I mulled over it, I realised a video game icon like him made perfect sense. I never of course doubted the datamining information concerning Ryu and Roy after credible people confirmed it was real (it doesn't hurt that after I thought about the idea of Ryu and Roy in light of this infomration, I naturally assumed that a third-party video game icon and a character planned for Brawl with high requests are the kind of characters Sakurai would choose for Smash)

? Not surprised. And in the case of Pac-Man, I figured he was as good as confirmed because of this.

? I'd be lying if I said he didn't surprise me, though I pretty much have stated he makes more sense than Shovel Knight precisely because he is legitimately iconic.

 

[Bedoop]

Random Question but wanting a new topic


What game would work wonders under a Maker-styled game like Mario Kart Maker, Zelda Maker or even F-Zero Maker

Diddy Kong Racing DS Maker
*dies a little inside*

 

[Babycowland]

Random Question but wanting a new topic


What game would work wonders under a Maker-styled game like Mario Kart Maker, Zelda Maker or even F-Zero Maker

I like the idea of a Pikmin Maker, or at least a cave/mission mode editor as part of a future Pikmin game. I think it'd be pretty fun to design your own cave layouts, drop in enemies, treasures, traps, candypop buds etc. of your choosing and then share your creation with friends. Something more on the scale of the stage editors in Brawl/Smash 4 where your options are pretty limited would probably be more realistic than a standalone Pikmin Maker game or fully-fleshed out level creator though.

 

[ChikoLad]

Random Question but wanting a new topic


What game would work wonders under a Maker-styled game like Mario Kart Maker, Zelda Maker or even F-Zero Maker

Super Mario 3D Maker and Captain Toad: Treasure Tinkerer

.....i can naem da gaems gais

 

[RaiKai18]

Random Question but wanting a new topic


What game would work wonders under a Maker-styled game like Mario Kart Maker, Zelda Maker or even F-Zero Maker

A Metroid Maker would be nice

 

[Swamp Sensei]

F-Zero maker was already a thing. Just add it to a new F-Zero game.

Kirby maker would be good too.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Forget those makers, if Toby Fox isn't going to make an Undertale sequel, he might as well make an Undertale maker, there's too much gameplay potential being undiscovered.

 

[Burb]

its pre-ballot because it takes a long time to make a fighter 3-6months and that would put Cloud deployment around the start of the ballot I believe but I could be wrong... anyway sorry to bug you lol

Sakurai said it takes 6 months to finish a character, and that's probably just for the development side of things. It's going to take a while from a legal standpoint to actually get Cloud in the game. We're in November and Cloud looks finished basically finished already. That would indicate that Cloud was planned since April, at the very least.

Could he be ballot? Sure. But that would mean that Sakurai picked him from the ballot practically the instant it went live.

Who says he's been worked on for 6 months already?

Just because he looks done doesn't mean he is done. We had a full Lucas trailer on April 1st, but didn't get the character until June 14th.