Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Substitution]

(and an educational video in Wario's case)

Let me guess, was it on the wonders of Capitalism?

Edit: Looked it up. And I have to say I'm disappointed. I wanted to watch Wario teach kids economics. I feel gypped.

 

[Deleted member]

Don't like his character design.

That's ok. You'll learn to love it.....
Especially when it will be your OWN design soon enough....

 

[True Blue Warrior]

We need one more anime swordsman!

 

[Con0rrrr]

To play Devil's Advocate...

I think when people complain about "Anime Swordsmen"... they mean very Japanese Anime like characters. Say what you want, but you cannot deny that the FE characters, Shulk, and Cloud have that look.

While I love Cloud, I see the complaints. Aside from a very niche, but very vocal, internet Subculture, these characters only appeal to a very Japanese audience. The awkward kids that sit at the Lunch Table in the corner sharing Crunchyroll accounts might be extremely excited, while some average people may get a little annoyed past a certain point.

Again, not saying I necessarily agree with this view. As Cloud has always been one of my favorite game characters ever (I just never expected him for Smash), but you gotta see the other side's point of view as well.

 

[DeathFox137]

You know something. If Cloud had other alts in this game, they should put him in a dress just like in his game just for giggles. I would love to see that. The reactions would be too good. But I am sure it may not happen, but anyone can dream.

 

[Frostwraith]

I only really watch Soul Eater now a days.

Ah, Soul Eater. I watched the anime and read the manga about 2 years ago.

The manga is better than the anime, in my opinion. It's a fun series nonetheless.

There's better, though.

Probably due to how many franchises Nintendo has that have massive western influence.

& get passes because of how many games did more for the western audience than the Japanese.

Plus when you combine the fact that anime is the cool thing to hate because of its insufferable fanbases, it leans towards a more Us vs Them mentality. When in fact the only non-Japanese character in Smash is .

Fans just want a Real American Western Nintendo character in their eyes.

Thing is, aside from the creations of Rare and Retro Studios, pretty much all Nintendo characters are Japanese.

The only requested characters for Smash that aren't Japanese are Dixie Kong and King K. Rool.

I do agree that the anime fanbases are mostly insufferable, though I say the same about the Smash fanbase... Well, pretty much every fanbase, as a matter of fact.

The ******** about anime-like swordsman is still stupid, nonetheless. You can't even blame Sakurai for that.

It is a fact that Japan uses sword-wielding characters (especially heroes/protagonists) in pretty much everything. Even modern settings will often feature swordsmen for whatever reason. You know, rule of cool. They just like that stuff. Nothing wrong with that, I'd say. It's probably a cultural thing.

I mean, of the anime characters I showed earlier, half of them use a katana as their main weapon. You know, the main weapon of a samurai. Again, it's likely a cultural thing. Japanese feudalism lasted until late 19th century when the USA re-introduced fire arms in the country, so this kind of stuff is probably more ingrained in their culture. (The first time fire arms were introduced in Japan was around the 15th~16th centuries by European explorers, specifically Portuguese, but were banished in the 17th century. Just a historical tidbit.)

Even mecha anime often feature giant robots using swords, so sword wielding characters in Smash isn't surprising at all.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

To play Devil's Advocate...

I think when people complain about "Anime Swordsmen"... they mean very Japanese Anime like characters. Say what you want, but you cannot deny that the FE characters, Shulk, and Cloud have that look.

While I love Cloud, I see the complaints. Aside from a very niche, but very vocal, internet Subculture, these characters only appeal to a very Japanese audience. The awkward kids that sit at the Lunch Table in the corner sharing Crunchyroll accounts might be extremely excited, while some average people may get a little annoyed past a certain point.

Again, not saying I necessarily agree with this view. As Cloud has always been one of my favorite game characters ever (I just never expected him for Smash), but you gotta see the other side's point of view as well.

Ironically enough, Shulk being the epitome of a modern "anime" design made him stand out even among other anime-style characters in Smash 4.

 

[Deleted member]

Ah, the ol' "anime swordsman" excuse...

You know what are anime swordsmen?

Spoiler: Here are actual anime swordsmen

I don't see any of them in Smash. Do you?

And even if they were in Smash, none of them would be clones of each other
Which is the second argument I see when a sworduser character is announced
Which is basically "Counter as Down B=Marth clone"

Even then, I wish we could see other kinds of weapon users in Smash
We don't have an axe or spear user *cough*Hector*cough* *cough*anotherFEcharacter*cough*

 

[Con0rrrr]

Ironically enough, Shulk being the epitome of a modern "anime" design made him stand out even among other anime-style characters in Smash 4.

Honestly I always though Shulk appealed more to a Western audience than any other of those kinds of characters.

The FE character trailer was a pure anime look, and it doesn't help having those character featured in the extremely "weird" Shenmugami Tensei.

Shulk was revealed really well to a Western audience IMO. A kid who can see the future and has a dank sword. The FE characters are pretty bland on the surface.

 

[Solfiner]

Ironically enough, Shulk being the epitome of a modern "anime" design made him stand out even among other anime-style characters in Smash 4.

I don't see it personally. It might just be his Smash 4 model.

 

[A Distant Demon]

And even if they were in Smash, none of them would be clones of each other
Which is the second argument I see when a sworduser character is announced
Which is basically "Counter as Down B=Marth clone"

Even then, I wish we could see other kinds of weapon users in Smash
We don't have an axe or spear user *cough*Hector*cough* *cough*anotherFEcharacter*cough*

An axe huh. . .

Spoiler

I still cant believe we dont have a true spear user. . . Of course my favorite weapon has no representation :/ (inb4 bdee)
I do however know another spear wielder

Spoiler

 

[Z25]

I'm glad google translate work well:

As you can see, the pokedex registers prisoners now.

 

[Substitution]

I could never understand the whole "too much anime" argument. Like, it's perfectly reasonable to criticize a Japanese company for using a Japanese art style, but yet you never hear anyone using "too western" for like Marvel or DC. What's with that?

 

[Starlight_Lily]

I find it funny how a lot of the speculation scene has thought that SE was being too stingy for a character, yet the opposite seems to be the case.

Well, it was pretty much because of the way Square-Enix acts towards fan art and projects of fans of their series sometimes, so we thought they'd be stingy, but since Square sees Nintendo and Namco as business partners, it does make sense they'd be more willing to work with them on one of their properties.

 

[Zzuxon]

That's ok. You'll learn to love it.....
Especially when it will be your OWN design soon enough....

It is my opinion that the 5 Nights 1 animatronics are some of the best designs I've seen in video games generally.
They are stupendously well suited to the atmosphere and source of horror for the game.

 

[Deleted member]

Apparently, Cloud's Advent Children costume is called "Cloudy Wolf" in Dissidia
gg Wolf confirmed, you win our bet Bananija

You know something. If Cloud had other alts in this game, they should put him in a dress just like in his game just for giggles. I would love to see that. The reactions would be too good. But I am sure it may not happen, but anyone can dream.

Good to see there are users here that agree with my views
Even if for different reasons

An axe huh. . .

Spoiler

I still cant believe we dont have a true spear user. . . Of course my favorite weapon has no representation :/ (inb4 bdee)
I do however know another spear wielder

Spoiler

Expected Undyne
Was disappointed

I'm glad google translate work well:
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As you can see, the pokedex registers prisoners now.

Dude, it has been doing that since Gen 1
Did you even listen to Team Plasma's speech?

 

[Chrono.]

(Unless Advent Children doesn't count)

I think that's it.

Introducing FFVII Last Order

Spoiler: huge FF7 spoilers

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

I could never understand the whole "too much anime" argument. Like, it's perfectly reasonable to criticize a Japanese company for using a Japanese art style, but yet you never hear anyone using "too western" for like Marvel or DC. What's with that?

That excuse and the whole sword characters argument is really starting to get annoying and literally irking me, its like come up with something else for not liking the character besides the obvious, especially when we don't know how the character would play out.

 

[Chrono.]

http://nintendoeverything.com/minecraft-wii-u-edition-rating-taken-down-from-pegis-website/

THE PLOT THICKENS

 

[Z25]

http://nintendoeverything.com/minecraft-wii-u-edition-rating-taken-down-from-pegis-website/

THE PLOT THICKENS

Seriously, It's interesting. Don't know what it means yet though. But if they don't want the announcement out yet, when would Nintendo plan to announce it? Unless by some insane logic Steve gets into smash and they announce it then. Which I hope and don't think will happen.

 

[Deleted member]

Introducing FFVII Last Order

Spoiler: huge FF7 spoilers

Was Cloud in that, or was it a prequel? I don't know much of FFVIII, but I'm pretty sure that's Zack.

It is my opinion that the 5 Nights 1 animatronics are some of the best designs I've seen in video games generally.
They are stupendously well suited to the atmosphere and source of horror for the game.

Agreed. I feel the designs for 2 and 4 were trying a little too hard to be scary.
(Though to be fair, Chica's design in 2 does frigging scare me. It's those eyes, man....)

 

[Frostwraith]

I could never understand the whole "too much anime" argument. Like, it's perfectly reasonable to criticize a Japanese company for using a Japanese art style, but yet you never hear anyone using "too western" for like Marvel or DC. What's with that?

Bias, obviously.

It is stupid to criticize a Japanese company such as Nintendo or Square Enix for using Japanese art styles.

As you said, it's like criticizing Marvel or DC for being too Western and demanding them to use a manga style.

It doesn't work. The artists that work for those companies naturally have their own cultural influences and it shows in their art.

I'm glad google translate work well:
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As you can see, the pokedex registers prisoners now.

Ah, Google Translate. It can be useful at times, but it does know how to completely butcher the concept of translation.

 

[Zzuxon]

I'm not really a fan of the idea of Lara. I mean, Cloud's game may not have been on nintendo, but the Final Fantasy series was still on Nintendo, and was important on Nintendo.
The only tomb raider game on Nintendo was a non canon game boy game.

Agreed. I feel the designs for 2 and 4 were trying a little too hard to be scary.
(Though to be fair, Chica's design in 2 does frigging scare me. It's those eyes, man....)

This is exactly what I've been saying.
The Five Nights 1 animatronics are scary looking, but they feel scary on accident. They are benign enough that they seem like something that could actually exist. That is what makes them so scary, they remind us of actual experiences that we've had.

 

[Chrono.]

Was Cloud in that, or was it a prequel? I don't know much of FFVIII, but I'm pretty sure that's Zack.

Yeah he's in it lol, just not in the poster.

 

[Z25]

And everyone here is talking about anime swordsmen, while I'm just sitting here wait for either a spear use, a thin man and his hammer, a superhero, or squid kids.

 

[Zzuxon]

If Minecraft comes to Wii U, I will support Steve?! for smash.
I don't really like Minecraft, but that isn't what is important to me.
Minecraft has star power.

 

[Champ Gold]

Introducing FFVII Last Order

Spoiler: huge FF7 spoilers

It's pretty much scenes before Zack's death in Crisis Core animated and have some liberties taken.


It's just like any FF spinoff of the original numbered games, just ignore it

 

[Substitution]

I'm glad google translate work well:
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As you can see, the pokedex registers prisoners now.

Well I mean, to be fair that's what Pokemon technically are.
"They love to be Pokeballs!" They'll say. "They love to fight in battles!" They'll say.

Don't believe their lies.

 

[Baskerville]

I'm not really a fan of the idea of Lara. I mean, Cloud's game may not have been on nintendo, but the Final Fantasy series was still on Nintendo, and was important on Nintendo.
The only tomb raider game on Nintendo was a non canon game boy game.

Actually she had Tomb Raider Legend, Anniversary and Underworld on the GC, Wii GBA and DS respectively.

 

[Zzuxon]

Well I mean, to be fair that's what Pokemon technically are.
"They love to be Pokeballs!" They'll say. "They love to fight in battles!" They'll say.

Don't believe their lies.

I'm willing to accept any headcanon to make myself feel guilt-free.
When I play Kirby games, my headcanon is that I'm not actually killing the cute Waddle Dees, I'm freeing them from mind control, and letting them escape.

 

[Champ Gold]

Well I mean, to be fair that's what Pokemon technically are.
"They love to be Pokeballs!" They'll say. "They love to fight in battles!" They'll say.

Don't believe their lies.

Shut up, N.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not really a fan of the idea of Lara. I mean, Cloud's game may not have been on nintendo, but the Final Fantasy series was still on Nintendo, and was important on Nintendo.
The only tomb raider game on Nintendo was a non canon game boy game.

Tomb Raider: Legend
Tomb Raider: Anniversary
Tomb Raider: Underworld
Tomb Raider (Game Boy)
Tomb Raider: Curse of the Sword (sequel to the above)
Tomb Raider: The Prophecy (second sequel to the above)

This is exactly what I've been saying.
The Five Nights 1 animatronics are scary looking, but they feel scary on accident. They are benign enough that they seem like something that could actually exist. That is what makes them so scary, they remind us of actual experiences that we've had.

Same with the Toy Animatronics from 2, but they are over-the-top in a different way...

 

[Opossum]

Even then, I wish we could see other kinds of weapon users in Smash
We don't have an axe or spear user *cough*Hector*cough* *cough*anotherFEcharacter*cough*

But seriously, other than not having the Exalted Falchion and instead using...a Levin Sword of all things, PXZ2 made Chrom basically how I wanted him in Smash.

 

[Zzuxon]

Actually she had Tomb Raider Legend, Anniversary and Underworld on the GC, Wii GBA and DS respectively.

Tomb Raider: Legend
Tomb Raider: Anniversary
Tomb Raider: Underworld
Tomb Raider (Game Boy)
Tomb Raider: Curse of the Sword (sequel to the above)
Tomb Raider: The Prophecy (second sequel to the above)




Same with the Toy Animatronics from 2, but they are over-the-top in a different way...

I stand corrected. I'd be OK with Lara in Smash.
The Toy animatronics are also pretty well designed, though not as good as one's.

 

[Roaring Salsa]

I'd like if Ike could also use the Urvan as part of his attacks or just as a taunt. It serves as a nice way to reference that he's also an axe wielder and also

Spoiler

Reference his father's weapon

I can also imagine Lucina being declonified for the next game possibly adding lances and bows to her moveset like she does in Codename S.T.E.A.M. Her turning from a Marth clone to getting her own unique moveset could even reference how she develops as a character in Awakening... at least that's what I think happens in her game; anyone who has played it feel free to correct me

 

[Z25]

Well I mean, to be fair that's what Pokemon technically are.
"They love to be Pokeballs!" They'll say. "They love to fight in battles!" They'll say.

Don't believe their lies.

Yeah but the funny thing is, it says prisoners and pokemon. So that's why the police don't do their job! The pokeballs capture convicts to!

 

[Soul.]

"too much anime" is a fan-made rule or just something people say because muh swords?

I don't think any character needs changes. Except Ganon. Ganon needs original specials. He can keep his aerials though

 

[Deleted member]

"too much anime" is a fan-made rule or just something people say because muh swords?

I don't think any character needs changes. Except Ganon. Ganon needs original specials. He can keep his aerials though

No, please, I want my main just as he is
With Ganoncide and Disrespect Punch

Shut up, N.

DON'T YOU DARE SHUT THE VOICE OF TRUTH

 

[Bananija]

Apparently, Cloud's Advent Children costume is called "Cloudy Wolf" in Dissidia
gg Wolf confirmed, you win our bet Bananija

My avatar isn't safe until that Cloud's "K.(loudy) Rool" alt is confirmed.

 

[Zzuxon]

I've come up with a moveset for Ganon that makes him both feel unique, but also familiar to people who liked playing as him in the current smash games.
Neutral SPecial: Dead Man's Volley
His projectile from OoT. The only totally changed special. Warlock punch becomes a taunt kill.
Side: Flame Choke
Unchanged.
Up: Thief King's Evasion
Similar to his current up special, but with changed animations and greater control over trajectory at the expense of slower speed.
Down: Trident rush: Functionally very similar to Wizard's Kick, but uses a trident instead of a kick.