Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[KenboCalrissian]

You want me to trust freaking Toys R Us?

Cmon man

Spoiler

If it's more than $12 then I ain't buying

Dare I ask why you don't? TRU was rocky for me in the beginning, but lately they've been my most trusted source of amiibos.

 

[Das Koopa]

Okay, now I have to respond to this:

Feminism has never been about equal rights. Even though it claims to be about gender rights, it's never bothered with men's rights, and it's never extended it's goals outside of first world "problems."

This is patently untrue and misrepresentative, and I'm pretty firmly egalitarian in my beliefs.

For one; Second-wave feminism wasn't about men's rights because women were socially repressed.
For two; Third-wave feminism seems to believes that issues related to men's rights stem from a male centric culture. While I mostly disagree with the notion of a "patriarchy", there is a kernal of truth to some of this. Masculine culture DID lead to men insulting other domestically abused men. This shouldn't even be controversial.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Thanks to anyone who answered my inquiry. A friend of mine is just stuck in the mentality I mentioned because of Cloud and I'm trying to get him out of it.

 

[Substitution]

So here's a quick question.

Do you think future Smash DLC will be 100% third parties, and why? And would you approve of it?

Just gathering opinions.

Well I would hope to have at least one. I get that third parties are good and all, but you still need some new Nintendo characters.
So no to both.

 

[Dravidian]

Except it's not.

Feminism has never been about equal rights. Even though it claims to be about gender rights, it's never bothered with men's rights, and it's never extended it's goals outside of first world "problems."

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I judge an ideology based on it's results, not on what it pretends to do. Both feminism and MRA are equally misguided.

Being against an ideology that is clearly self-interested doesn't mean you're against equality, doesn't mean you're sexist and doesn't mean you're bigoted. I look at the facts, not at misinformation and propaganda. "The patriarchy" isn't a thing, and we need to pull our heads out if the sand if we wanna evoke true equality.

Judging solely by results doesnt always work imo, especially when things are a work-in-progress. To me feminism is about bringing womens rights up to par with those of men, so of course it mostly involves increasing womens rights. If one person is "lower" then they need to be brought up. It's just problematic when some people want rights that result in some form of literal or implied superiority.

The issue with modern society is that both sexes have things that work for and against them, and the opposite side needs to be raised up respectively.

Additionally, being part of one of those movements doesnt make one sexist or against equality by default. I consider myself neither a feminist nor part of the MRA (I just want equality), but wouldnt supporting both mean the same thing as wanting equality? Only seeing the problems of one side is bad, but one can be feminist and see issues in men's rights as well.

It's not like people can only support one side without even supporting a single aspect of the other. =/

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Can we drop this? If I wanted to see arguments like this, especially with someone acting irrational, I'd go migrate to Tumblr

 

[Schnee117]

.@Ambler3 Don't worry, the old Sonic twitter guy is totally unharmed. Mostly. pic.twitter.com/aHyI2syWEK

— Sonic the Hedgehog (@sonic_hedgehog) November 13, 2015

I'm loving this so freakin' much.
The guy that runs the Sonic twitter deserves a raise.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh, it's not farfetched in the least. It's an understandable conclusion. It simply shouldnt be assumed to be true. There are a ton of factors to consider.


Controversy can be good. It can also be bad. It depends on the results of the controversy. I mean you consider censorshio controversal, but I doubt you consider it a good thing.


I completely agree. But sometimes you're screwed either way. And sometimes it's best to not do something in the first place. We wouldnt be having this convo if we didnt have a build-your-hero protagonist. Almost every decision is double edged.


I mostly agree. Simply following and spewing what you hear is a bad idea; this is coming from a Christian. But thinking and coming to one's own conclusion doesnt mean that suddenly everyone will agree either. Instead of illogical people arguing and almost never agreeing, you'll have logical people arguing and almost never agreeing.

And to be fair, there's a good bit of both already happening; there's plenty of logical people.

Even going to your example, feminism, there's plenty of logical people. I'll even say that most feminist are logical people supporting a good concept. The only "failing" aspect of feminism is that a vocal minority (i.e. the public voice of feminism) happen to be extremists. Feminism has actually done some good. Now I just wish males didn't get socially and legally screwed over so much....

Well, all controversy is not always good, but it does generate more sales, this even applies the censorship deal with XCX.

However, more controversy would be to leave it in, and let people write articles about how offensive it is, blah blah.

Being polarizing in general gets people talking. Just look at this thread, I'm naturally polarizing, but even the people that dislike me can't help but pay attention to what I say. For me it works, cause that's just how I am, but what I.mean is, taking a middle ground and trying to make everyone like you just makes things bland and boring. Free expression means putting yourself and your thoughts totally out there regardless of what others might think.

People will always be offended, even over the most minute things, but you will always have those who will appreciate when someone or something is REAL, and not afraid putting themselves on the line. That's my entire point, and honestly, why censorship bothers me at a very deep level.

As for feminism, I'm not saying feminists are bad people (though some are, but that applies to any ideology), I'm merely saying that feminism as an ideology is flawed because it has to resort to lies, misinformation, and censorship in order to stand up to criticism. Yes, you have the wacko extremists, but while it has accomplished good, feminism has always been flawed due to being so self-centered. This is why Madonna and many other women don't identify as feminists despite it having SOME good concepts, same way I don't identify with MRA and Redpillers despite finding a fair deal if their concepts agreeable.

 

[Dravidian]

You don't understand how marketing works.

"Doesn't matter what people say about you so long as they're talking about you."

Controversy always gets people talking, and always sparks human curiousity. More controversy = more sales, this is a fact.

You're saying "sales" but ignoring "sales growth".
Even if some controversy is good, other aspects are even better for sales.
There's a reason those hentai **** games dont sell as much as GTA and I assure you that those are more controversial.

 

[Z25]

.@Ambler3 Don't worry, the old Sonic twitter guy is totally unharmed. Mostly. pic.twitter.com/aHyI2syWEK

— Sonic the Hedgehog (@sonic_hedgehog) November 13, 2015

I'm loving this so freakin' much.
The guy that runs the Sonic twitter deserves a raise.

The next sonic game should just be the sonic twitter! It be game of the year for sure!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

.@Ambler3 Don't worry, the old Sonic twitter guy is totally unharmed. Mostly. pic.twitter.com/aHyI2syWEK

— Sonic the Hedgehog (@sonic_hedgehog) November 13, 2015

I'm loving this so freakin' much.
The guy that runs the Sonic twitter deserves a raise.

MIKE POLLOCK DESERVES A RAISE WHEN HE MENTIONS SONIC 3CD KNUCKLES & KNUCKLES

 

[Schnee117]

The next sonic game should just be the sonic twitter! It be game of the year for sure!

I'd sell Hyperion for that honestly.

 

[Z25]

I'd sell Hyperion for that honestly.

But:

Spoiler: talses from the boarderlands

Hypervion is already dead. Rys blew it up in tales from the boarderlands.

 

[Schnee117]

But:

Spoiler: talses from the boarderlands

Hypervion is already dead. Rys blew it up in tales from the boarderlands.

And there goes the joke.
Damn.

 

[Dravidian]

As for feminism, I'm not saying feminists are bad people (though some are, but that applies to any ideology), I'm merely saying that feminism as an ideology is flawed because it has to resort to lies, misinformation, and censorship in order to stand up to criticism. Yes, you have the wacko extremists, but while it has accomplished good, feminism has always been flawed due to being so self-centered. This is why Madonna and many other women don't identify as feminists despite it having SOME good concepts, same way I don't identify with MRA and Redpillers despite finding a fair deal if their concepts agreeable.

Imo, everything is flawed. There is no perfect mindset because there are no perfect people. As such I don't expect perfection, but simply accept some flaws. I'm willing to deal with flaws as long as progress is being made. Even science works this way. Few things are perfect from the get go, but because of proof of concept and potential people continue working with it until it finally comes together. Social things should be treated the same imo.

Can we drop this? If I wanted to see arguments like this, especially with someone acting irrational, I'd go migrate to Tumblr

What's irrational is you not making me a sammich in the kitchen
Yeah, it's probably for the best......
but before I stop

I can't NOT post this after this conversation lol

 

[Z25]

And there goes the joke.
Damn.

So no sonic twitter game for you

And Looks like YachtClubGames found out Shovel Knight isn't in Smash:

WHATS HAPPENING.

I'M OKAY WITH IT

BUT WHATS HAPPENING

— Yacht Club Games - SKPD Paradox Pack OUT NOW! (@YachtClubGames) November 12, 2015

 

[Cutie Gwen]

What's irrational is you not making me a sammich in the kitchen

lol I kicked someone's ass last time someone said that to me irl and made the gut make me a sandwich. Granted, I kicked his ass in Smash, but he mains Link so he's almost automatically a scrub

 

[Champ Gold]

Dare I ask why you don't? TRU was rocky for me in the beginning, but lately they've been my most trusted source of amiibos.

Let's just say getting Christmas gifts over there is pain is the butt butt.

It's such an issue to deal with them and Target (although that's due to fear of having my debit card info stolen)

 

[Bedoop]

You know what'd be hilarious
If someone made a little computer app thing that puts Flowey onto your desktop just sort of sitting on your task bar
And Flowey proceeds to **** everything up if you go idle too long
Stuff like Closing Projects without Saving, Opening as much stuff as possible to lag the computer, turning it off because why the hell not, etc.
It'd be a nightmare to deal with but it'd be funny for some people
I dunno
Also kudos to @Warchamp7 and @HextupleyooDOT for dat 5120x5120 Cloud render
Das some good stuff right dere

 

[Z25]

Gamexplain's analysis of Linkle is up:

They bring up some interesting points, mainly the cutscene, and how she could get her outfit.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay, now I have to respond to this:



This is patently untrue and misrepresentative, and I'm pretty firmly egalitarian in my beliefs.

For one; Second-wave feminism wasn't about men's rights because women were socially repressed.
For two; Third-wave feminism seems to believes that issues related to men's rights stem from a male centric culture. While I mostly disagree with the notion of a "patriarchy", there is a kernal of truth to some of this. Masculine culture DID lead to men insulting other domestically abused men. This shouldn't even be controversial.

Third wave feminism blames a patriarchial society for the problems of men and women, but fails to provide much evidence for the fact, especially when women do have the upper hand in many areas of society.

One case example is divorces and alimony.

I've yet to ever see a feminism movement bother to right the wrongs in the justice system, or bother to stand up for the case in which a man was forced to pay up alimony for a child that wasn't even his simply cause he'd been an influence in the child's life:

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&sour...Vezzbyrlul9UHc7-g&sig2=Ylm4g2aBau7uT0kRMFjTSg

Yes the judge was a woman.

If feminism is about equal rights, then why have there been cases of being being laughed out of college feminist groups?

The list goes on...

These are the facts, feminism can claim one thing, but I've yet to see evidence contrary to the fact. After all, "actions speak louder than words." Don't SAY you're about equality, actually DO something about it rather than crying fowl over women in media. There are women in tge middle east who get acid thrown in their faces just cause they want an education, yet we're sitting here crying over nuances in a society that does INDEED offer equal opportinty for both genders. No matter what non peer reviewed "figures" might say.

Those are the facts, and so long feminism keeps worring on disproving sexual dysmorphism, a scientific fact, to back up petty claims, rather than focus on real issues, it will continue to be a failed ideology in my eyes.

That aside, all the nonsense feminism brings about works in my favor when picking up girls.

"Buy me a drink."
"Haha, no. I'm a femimist, I don't believe in buying girls drinks. How about you buy ME drink if you wanna keep hanging around me, because of how awesome I am."

She actually ****ed off after that, but me and my friends still had a good laugh about it. No ****s were given.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Dare I ask why you don't? TRU was rocky for me in the beginning, but lately they've been my most trusted source of amiibos.

THIS!

Yeah, before a couple months, I didn't touch TRU in YEARS. But when I randomly went in there one day and browsed their amiibo section, I madly fell in love with the place. Not only they have TWO walls of amiibo to look at, it also hands down has the best variety there.

My local Best Buy, Walmart, GameStop, and Target stores all don't come even close to the size of my local Toys 'R' Us amiibo selection.

 

[Dravidian]

lol I kicked someone's *** last time someone said that to me irl and made the gut make me a sandwich. Granted, I kicked his *** in Smash, but he mains Link so he's almost automatically a scrub

Sounds like hot times.
Can't respect someone until you know they can hold their own in smash
Seriously, I just forgot to strike through

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sounds like hot times.
Can't respect someone until you know they can hold their own in smash
Seriously, I just forgot to strike through

Get yo fluffy butt back here. I want a Nutella sandwich

 

[Autumn ♫]

Wait, why the hell is feminism being talked about when we can still hype over the Direct yesterday. Especially since we haven't had one in 5 months previous to the direct?

 

[Substitution]

How is it that an argument about Master Chief getting into Smash somehow evolved into feminism?
Like, did I miss a few steps?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

You know what'd be hilarious
If someone made a little computer app thing that puts Flowey onto your desktop just sort of sitting on your task bar
And Flowey proceeds to **** everything up if you go idle too long
Stuff like Closing Projects without Saving, Opening as much stuff as possible to lag the computer, turning it off because why the hell not, etc.
It'd be a nightmare to deal with but it'd be funny for some people
I dunno
Also kudos to @Warchamp7 and @HextupleyooDOT for dat 5120x5120 Cloud render
Das some good stuff right dere

Hex made it?

...I knew Cloud in Smash was too good to be true

 

[Solfiner]

Derrick's thoughts about his 40 hour experience with X, spoiler-free.

Game seems as amazing as I thought.

 

[Dravidian]

Get yo fluffy butt back here. I want a Nutella sandwich

[shaves buns]
I wonder who she's talking to.....
I also wonder what type of bread she prefers...

 

[KenboCalrissian]

Let's just say getting Christmas gifts over there is pain is the butt butt.

It's such an issue to deal with them and Target (although that's due to fear of having my debit card info stolen)

The really weird thing is when I hated TRU, Target was my preference. Within the last six months though, my opinion of each have totally flipped. They've straight up traded places for me.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

How is it that an argument about Master Chief getting into Smash somehow evolved into feminism?
Like, did I miss a few steps?

Its basically what #Gamergate evolved too.


TL;DR, don't even bother trying to find out why

 

[Das Koopa]

Third wave feminism blames a patriarchial society for the problems of men and women, but fails to provide much evidence for the fact, especially when women do have the upper hand in many areas of society.

One case example is divorces and alimony.

I've yet to ever see a feminism movement bother to right the wrongs in the justice system, or bother to stand up for the case in which a man was forced to pay up alimony for a child that wasn't even his simply cause he'd been an influence in the child's life:

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&sour...Vezzbyrlul9UHc7-g&sig2=Ylm4g2aBau7uT0kRMFjTSg

Yes the judge was a woman.

If feminism is about equal rights, then why have there been cases of being being laughed out of college feminist groups?

The list goes on...

"If feminism is about X, why have certain individuals affiliated with a complex and broad movement been hypocritical?"

For someone who criticizes other's use of bad logic, you seem to be privy to using cherry-picking. Cherrypicking using the dailymail, no less. The feminist argument regarding divorce/custody as far as I've seen is something along the lines of this;

"It's assumptive to say one gender (women) are better at child-rearing that men. It's a decades-old sexist notion that assumes that women are meant for child-rearing and men are the ones who are supposed to work."

...The argument being that "patriarchy", namely social standards set by men, oppress women and set unrealistically high expectations or responsibilities on all men, and lash out when men/women don't conform to these standards.

But yeah, sure, some idiots affiliated with feminism are dumb, so that's what all of feminism is like. Props, m83.

That aside, all the nonsense feminism brings about works in my favor when picking up girls.

"Buy me a drink."
"Haha, no. I'm a femimist, I don't believe in buying girls drinks. How about you buy ME drink if you wanna keep hanging around me, because of how awesome I am."

She actually ****ed off after that, but me and my friends still had a good laugh about it. No ****s were given.

take your fedora, pack it up to the cheetomobile, and go back to le reddit

 

[AncientTobacco]

Strawpoll regarding the amount of DLC characters:

http://strawpoll.me/5997926

 

[Dravidian]

The really weird thing is when I hated TRU, Target was my preference. Within the last six months though, my opinion of each have totally flipped. They've straight up traded places for me.

I've had good and bad experiences with both. I like window shopping in TRU more though.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

[shaves buns]
I wonder who she's talking to.....
I also wonder what type of bread she prefers...

It's a fact white tiger bread is God Tier. Not even Brawl Meta Knight can beat it

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Ladies and gentlemen, this is why our system of society is so ****ed up. Anytime it's not a white man that's straight and hearing (yes, I'm adding hearing because of audism since I'm deaf. If you're curious about this word, I'd suggest you look it up because it's worth knowing about), there's always something that ends up with a -ism. The barriers, the judgments, etc they all need to be down. Even though we've been doing it for years and it haven't succeeded yet, I have a good feeling it will when the time is right and everyone get off their high horse donkey ass for once


LET'S END THE OPPRESSION PEOPLE!

 

[Deleted member]

We might get some good balance patches if they were allowed to speak up a bit on how to fix some stuff. That would be hype.

Letting ZeRo balance Smash 4 is like letting the fanbase choose the DLC characters

Oh, feminism talk? Let's see
*goes to left side of the boat*
"I ****ING HATE THOSE PRIVILIEGED WHITE CIS STRAIGHT MEN, THEY SHOULD ALL DIE!"
*goes to right side*
"FEMINISTS GET OFFENDED BY ANYTHING, I CAN'T EVEN TELL **** JOKES AND BE A SEXIST ASSHOLE!"
haha, not today :^)
*jumps on the salt water*

 

[Bedoop]

Putting Hard-Time on the Hard-Drive
Since I made absolutely 0 progress in the past few days, I'm taking Sonic's advice of Stepping it Up
also he has no hands yet because WiiU/3DS muh differences

 

[Solfiner]

Letting ZeRo balance Smash 4 is like letting the fanbase choose the DLC characters

I didn't speak about ZeRo, I meant all four. Meant it more as a headsup like "Hey Samus is pretty bad" or something, nothing extensive like changing every single character.

 

[Deleted member]

You're saying "sales" but ignoring "sales growth".
Even if some controversy is good, other aspects are even better for sales.
There's a reason those hentai **** games dont sell as much as GTA and I assure you that those are more controversial.

I'd say hentai games don't sell cause they're appealing to a niche society and the enjoyment of porn is taboo in the west.

That said, some of the best selling games on steam were porn games. Or so I heard. Thus proving, that if people can get away with it discreetly, they'll do it.

Don't forget that the porn industry is one of the biggest on Earth.

Anyway, that doesn't address controversy, but iirc, my point was addressed in Game Theory, sec....

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GWlrJq8yi2w