Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Deleted member]

Bill Trinen and his grammar errors...

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& Knuckles.

 

[Deleted member]

X-23 is a gender switch done right.

She isn't just Girl Wolverine.

She's her own character who happens to be linked to him and share his powers.

Not only that, but don't they have a sort of father/daughter relationship?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

What I meant by "write around that" is just if you want to address it as a theme.

You can have LGBT characters just have that as a characteristic, but then it's not really dealing with it as a theme (such as the struggles of coming out, a pair of characters dealing with the laws against gay marriage, etc), and thus not teaching anyone anything.

That's fine with shows for older audiences, whom already understand this stuff. But most kids don't, so you have to actually have being LGBT as a large theme of their character for the kids to understand it, rather than just have it be a subtle characteristic. If it's just a subtle characteristic, kids won't pick up on it and will learn nothing about it.

For comparison, stuff like homelessness and poverty, in kids shows, are usually not just a characteristic of a character, when they are brought up. They are pretty large themes of the characters and the characters have to be written around it, as kids need to see the actual struggles around being homeless to really empathise with it. Rather than just having a character pop up for a second and say "spare some change?".

Actually, subtlety can make it work better. Lots of people thought Dumbledore was gay, and J.K Rowling confirmed it, and considered HP fans are usually kids or started being fans since, it shows how well it can work.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

TBH, X-Men characters really have insane backstories that not a lot of people like.

However it's not as bad as how many Spider-Mans are running around and how many of them are clones.

To my knowledge none of them at this point in time are clones:

Spider-Man/Peter Parker
Spider-Man/Miles Morales
Spider-Man 2099/Miguel O'Hara
Spider-Woman/Jessica Drew
Spider-Gwen/Spider-Woman/Gwen Stacy
Spider-Girl/Anya Corazon
Silk/Cindy Moon

I think that's all the spider people right now. Yeah. It's confusing, but Gwen, Miguel, and Miles are all from other universes/time lines.

 

[Champ Gold]

Not only that, but don't they have a sort of father/daughter relationship?

They do. Logan has been raising Laura for a while now and she was once an X-Men member for the time being.

 

[ChikoLad]

Actually, subtlety can make it work better. Lots of people thought Dumbledore was gay, and J.K Rowling confirmed it, and considered HP fans are usually kids or started being fans since, it shows how well it can work.

But do kids know he is gay?

That's the problem.

Also the fact JK Rowling had to confirm he was gay is a problem in and of itself.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Cindy Moon

Did somebody at Marvel go "OH **** THEY MADE A KAMEN RIDER BANTAM TIMTAM WE NEED TO GET SOMETHING JAPANESE FOR OUR SPOODERMN" or does this have nothing to do with Sailor Moon?

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

These Sonic Adventure remixes are amazing. I would absolutely love an HD remake of SA1 and SA2.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Dumbledore as gay makes sense, but it was such an afterthought that it felt like Rowling was using the fact to stay in the limelight at the moment because the books and movies were both wrapping up.

 

[Champ Gold]

To my knowledge none of them at this point in time are clones:

Spider-Man/Peter Parker
Spider-Man/Miles Morales
Spider-Man 2099/Miguel O'Hara
Spider-Woman/Jessica Drew
Spider-Gwen/Spider-Woman/Gwen Stacy
Spider-Girl/Anya Corazon
Silk/Cindy Moon

I think that's all the spider people right now. Yeah. It's confusing, but Gwen, Miguel, and Miles are all from other universes/time lines.

You're also forgetting both Scarlet Spiders, Ben Riley and my main man, Kaine Parker and also Venom which is part of the SpiderFamily.

Also I wouldn't count Spider-Woman as much unless it's from the Ultimate Universe because Spider-Woman in the regular universe has about as little or no connection to Spidey.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

But do kids know he is gay?

That's the problem.

Also the fact JK Rowling had to confirm he was gay is a problem in and of itself.

I disagree.

Dumbledore is a great and amazing character who just happens to be gay.

Just like most real gay people.

His sexuality wasn't what defined him.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Did somebody at Marvel go "OH **** THEY MADE A KAMEN RIDER BANTAM TIMTAM WE NEED TO GET SOMETHING JAPANESE FOR OUR SPOODERMN" or does this have nothing to do with Sailor Moon?

Cindy is Asian. She's the second person to be bitten after Peter. So after it bit him. It bit her. Only her parents didn't know how to handle her powers so they set after a specialist who put her in a bunker for years. She's pretty nifty and cool.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

So does anybody else remember Kenan & Kel?

Who like Orange Soda?
I like Orange soda
I do, I do, I dooo

 

[Tree Gelbman]

You're also forgetting both Scarlet Spiders, Ben Riley and my main man, Kaine Parker and also Venom which is part of the SpiderFamily.

Also I wouldn't count Spider-Woman as much unless it's from the Ultimate Universe because Spider-Woman in the regular universe has about as little or no connection to Spidey.

Jessica has become a more connected member of the main universe Spider- Family.

I'm not sure what happened to Ultimate Jessica Drew, but it's possible she died with that universe.

Ben and Kaine are both dead. So they're null and void.

Flash Thompson is Venom right now, so yeah he counts.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

But do kids know he is gay?

That's the problem.

Also the fact JK Rowling had to confirm he was gay is a problem in and of itself.

There's a Courage the Cowardly Dog episode called the Mask iirc, and it had 2 mature themes. Abusive relationships, which was why the masked cat lady hated courage, and lesbians, as the two female characters who debuted in that episode were implied to live a happy life together. Kids see that and learn that same sex can be a happy ending. The reason people asked was because people were curious if they were right

 

[Ivander]

To my knowledge none of them at this point in time are clones:

Spider-Man/Peter Parker
Spider-Man/Miles Morales
Spider-Man 2099/Miguel O'Hara
Spider-Woman/Jessica Drew
Spider-Gwen/Spider-Woman/Gwen Stacy
Spider-Girl/Anya Corazon
Silk/Cindy Moon

I think that's all the spider people right now. Yeah. It's confusing, but Gwen, Miguel, and Miles are all from other universes/time lines.

Umm, isn't there also Ben Reilly, who is a clone of Parker?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Umm, isn't there also Ben Reilly, who is a clone of Parker?

Dead. He did exist, but he's been dead for almost 20 years now.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

I was just gonna bring that up.

Wasn't this made by the same person who made that Billy & Mandy Doujinshi?
You know, the one which had the son of Grim and Mandy?

Yes, I believe that's the same one.

 

[Burruni]

Yo.
Along the entire lines of "LGBT" characters and such.

Persona 4.

And yes unmarked spoilers because the game's gotten like 4 technical sequels, been out for almost 8 years, 3 years for the remake, and the anime's been out for 4 or 5 years.

Kanji - Arguably doesn't even fit because of the kind of abiguity of where his sexuality lies at the conclusion of things. But his character is one that's very much built in the grounds of struggling with masculinity, acceptance, and questioning one's sexuality that ccomes with those late adolescent to early adult years most commonly.
"It wasn't about chicks or dudes. It was about being scared ****less, dammit!"

Naoto - Young woman who hides her identity as a man for the sake of respect in her job and feeling, in part, that she /has/ to be to really fit into her true idea of a detective.

Both characters... arguably don't fit it, but it's part of that why it's beautiful. They don't HAVE to be to respectfully encompass the biggest issues that go into those lifestyles in some of the best handled writing I've seen for this stuff. But those issues, and the entire sexuality/gender stuff isn't ALL that there is to them.

And these two also are an absolutely ADORABLE couple that I will ship with all the fleets of colonial era england.

 

[wedl!!]

the only thing I know about extended Spider-Man lore is Peter Parker's radioactive semen

 

[Cutie Gwen]

the only thing I know about extended Spider-Man lore is Peter Parker's radioactive semen

I mean, with how that stuff killed MJ, I'm surprised that stuff didn't make Spider Aunt May whenever she does the laundry

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Jessica has become a more connected member of the main universe Spider- Family.

I'm not sure what happened to Ultimate Jessica Drew, but it's possible she died with that universe.

Ben and Kaine are both dead. So they're null and void.

Flash Thompson is Venom right now, so yeah he counts.

Kaine is actually alive iirc.

His hand burst out of the giant spider corpse in the epilogue of Spider-Verse.

 

[ChikoLad]

I disagree.

Dumbledore is a great and amazing character who just happens to be gay.

Just like most real gay people.

His sexuality wasn't what defined him.

There's a difference between "his sexuality isn't what defines him", and "the authour had to go out of their way to say he was gay after all was said and done, even though for all intents and purposes, his sexuality was completely irrelevant and not touched upon in the script itself".

I always just assumed Dumbledore was asexual at the point in his life Harry Potter's story takes place in because A) he had far more pressing things going on for years upon years to the point where he has no interest in sexual relations, and B) he's a sterile old man.

Point is, Dumbledore, as far as Harry Potter's actual script is concerned and how he is written is not gay, straight, or anything. His sexuality was never a concern of the narrative (unlike say,Harry himself, who was depicted as having a few love interests and acted accordingly).

So J.K Rowling coming out randomly and saying "oh yeah he's totes gay" just comes off as trying to win browny points with the LGBT community. It comes off as a literal afterthought.

Yes, you can have gay characters and not focus much on that aspect, but you should AT LEAST establish it in the script itself. Like real people, because you tend to at least know whether or not real people are gay if you know them for a good number of years (speaking from experience).

Do note that none of what I say is from a political correctness standpoint. It's from a writing quality standpoint. It's a general rule, that if you want a character to have a trait, however much of a focus of their character it's gonna be, you establish it within the narrative. J.K Rowling coming out and saying "Dumbledore is gay" is just as ridiculous as Takashi Iizuka suddenly saying "Sonic has psychic powers".

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Kaine is actually alive iirc.

His hand burst out of the giant spider corpse in the epilogue of Spider-Verse.

Ah. Right.

He's still inactive despite that cliffhanger as far as I know.

 

[Burruni]

Combining topics.
Reading the name "Kaine" only makes me think of the hermaphroditic dual swordswoman of NieR.

 

[AreJay25]

I mean, with how that stuff killed MJ, I'm surprised that stuff didn't make Spider Aunt May whenever she does the laundry

I'm suddenly reminded of an old April Fools joke for Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 that said Aunt May would be playable.

I kinda wish it was real lol.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I just read on the YMMV page of iCarly out of boredom and being unable to sleep. And I found the ultimate proof Dan Schneider is an asshole. Anyone remember a joke about the teachers' big pointy boobs in the first episode? That teacher's actress had breast cancer and needed surgery in the 90's. I thought his foot fetish was bad enough, but wow Dan

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

....
Doesn't Deadpool count as a mutant?

Iirc, he is considered a mutate... or something to that effect.

You have never read an X-Man comic have you?

I mean I get it in the movies. The movies have nulled all of them down save Wolverine, Xavier, and Magneto.

But in the comics, they're some of the most fascinatingly diverse characters.

For real, read any Old Man Logan comic, whether it be Pre-Secret Wars, Secret Wars tie-in or ANAD Old Man Logan.

Honestly my most favourite line of comic books along the cosmic marvel stuff and Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-Man.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Combining topics.
Reading the name "Kaine" only makes me think of the hermaphroditic dual swordswoman of NieR.

Considering nier means kidney, I'd like swords as far away from my nier as possible

 

[Con0rrrr]

I just read on the YMMV page of iCarly out of boredom and being unable to sleep. And I found the ultimate proof Dan Schneider is an *******. Anyone remember a joke about the teachers' big pointy boobs in the first episode? That teacher's actress had breast cancer and needed surgery in the 90's. I thought his foot fetish was bad enough, but wow Dan

I've read a lot of stories that said he's a pedophile as well. Not sure how well backed up they are. Or if it's just an old internet rumor. As it'd be ****ing awful if he was given that wrap for no reason.

But I've heard it multiple times.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I've read a lot of stories that said he's a pedophile as well. Not sure how well backed up they are. Or if it's just an old internet rumor. As it'd be ****ing awful if he was given that wrap for no reason.

But I've heard it multiple times.

Probably a rumor, as the guy has done dumb ****. I mean, everyone hated Megan in Drake and Josh and he apparently had no clue. Bull****, but still, making that up is bad

 

[Burruni]

Considering nier means kidney, I'd like swords as far away from my nier as possible

Even when weld by scantily clad women of a gender between black and white with absolutely gutwreching backstories because NieR is what happened when Square Enix went dark?

 

[powerprotoman]

so unrelated to whatever is going here.....

lets all talk about my hero academia which is a good anime/manga

 

[Con0rrrr]

Probably a rumor, as the guy has done dumb ****. I mean, everyone hated Megan in Drake and Josh and he apparently had no clue. Bull****, but still, making that up is bad

Yeah I read this awhile back. Don't know what to take from it as tumblr constantly accuses people of being rapists or pedophiles without and truth to their claims.

 

[powerprotoman]

Even when weld by scantily clad women of a gender between black and white with absolutely gutwreching backstories because NieR is what happened when Square Enix went dark?

nah that was cavia who became owned by square cavia made drakengard....the happiest place on earth said no one ever

 

[Z25]

so unrelated to whatever is going here.....

lets all talk about my hero academia which is a good anime/manga

Or just anime in general? What's this one about?

I just finished Akame Ga Kill today as I was pretty sick today and so I was in bed all day.

It was pretty good, sad to, but pretty nice anime imo.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Yeah I read this awhile back. Don't know what to take from it as tumblr constantly accuses people of being rapists or pedophiles without and truth to their claims.

Accusations or not...

The people in that forum are terrible human beings.

Holy ****.

 

[Deleted member]

So on the topic of gay characters in media, which I know, I'm slow to as usual, I'm fine with either portrayal. I'm fine with it being subtle or as noticeable and flamboyant as a rainbow.

The subtle types are the most common though, definitely. Heck, closet ones are probably the most common, by far. I've never had a guy who's been in love with me that's openly gay besides my current boyfriend, of course.(Even then he can't IRL because, well, being in the middle of the swamps of Louisiana by two fundamentalists.) All of them identified as straight to everyone else.

But on the other hand, the very open ones do exist. Such as I.

 

[Con0rrrr]

I feel like the subtle uses of gay characters is almost better in my opinion. As it really shouldn't be that big of a deal that a character happens to be gay.

When they make a big show of it, then that's annoying. Like they're trying to advertise that they're "super progressive" and open. Almost trying too hard to appeal to the tumblr crowd.

Like, it should just be part of the character on the offhand. Like, oh yeah, he's gay. So what?

It does get annoying when a character is suddenly gay on a show for the sake of being gay. When there were no signs or signals that would indicate that earlier. Thus forcing that "quirk" on that character for the sake of change.

Hope I expressed that well.

 

[Burruni]

Who wants to talk about characters pulling 180s?

Here's one of my favorites.