Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Burruni]

i remember when sonic wasn't starring in 5 games a month and his voice acting wasn't cringy...but everything changed when the fanbase attacked

Sonic's releases have been held at one or two a year.
Also "Voice acting wasn't cringy" is entirely subjective.
BECAUSE THAT DATES BACK A FAR WHILE.

Nice b8 tho.

 

[Schnee117]

Sonic's releases have been held at one or two a year.
Also "Voice acting wasn't cringy" is entirely subjective.
BECAUSE THAT DATES BACK A FAR WHILE.

Nice b8 tho.

Knuckles with that voice just doesn't sound right. Far too used to Dan Green and Travis Willingham's take which are pretty much what I expect out of Knuckles.

 

[DraconicPsycho]

Sonic's releases have been held at one or two a year.
Also "Voice acting wasn't cringy" is entirely subjective.
BECAUSE THAT DATES BACK A FAR WHILE.

Nice b8 tho.

*cough* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wyn1nH8XZ4 *cough*

 

[NintenZ]

*cough* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wyn1nH8XZ4 *cough*

Fun Fact: Knuckles and Yugi actually used to be voiced by the same person.

 

[DraconicPsycho]

Fun Fact: Knuckles and Yugi actually used to be voiced by the same person.

i knew the name Dan Green sounded familiar

 

[Coricus]

You know, I don't think this fanbase is beyond saving. Not really.

Are there people in it beyond saving? Yeah, sure.

But I've seen worse. I've seen fandoms so over the edge that they've just utterly given up hope. Fandoms that only exist so that the fans can insult what they once loved in a tone of perceived betrayal and utter bitterness that even the worst of this fanbase couldn't even begin to grasp the true depths of.

We're guilty of a lot of things. But giving up hope isn't one of them.

And I think that if some of us just reached out and tried to view things with a more positive outlook, it would rub off on others.

Maybe we wouldn't be perfect. No one can expect that.

But underneath the grime and muck of even the worst of places, I see a seed of human decency just waiting to be planted.

And yeah, maybe I'm not the person that's best to plant it. Maybe I'm not the best example. But I know what I see, and that's a start.

So maybe, just maybe, we can take some of that love that keeps turning into hate, and just try turning it into more love instead.

So what do you all say? Want to help try to piece this place back together?

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Cute

I love classic Sonic art

Reading more about this, it actually sounds really interesting. I'll keep my eye on this.

 

[Schnee117]

*war flashbacks of collecting Rainbow Slugs*

 

[Aetheri]

oh man...just watched an unboxing of the TPHD amiibo bundle...

March 4th cannot come any sooner!!! X|

 

[Champ Gold]

You know, I don't think this fanbase is beyond saving. Not really.

Are there people in it beyond saving? Yeah, sure.

But I've seen worse. I've seen fandoms so over the edge that they've just utterly given up hope. Fandoms that only exist so that the fans can insult what they once loved in a tone of perceived betrayal and utter bitterness that even the worst of this fanbase couldn't even begin to grasp the true depths of.

We're guilty of a lot of things. But giving up hope isn't one of them.

And I think that if some of us just reached out and tried to view things with a more positive outlook, it would rub off on others.

Maybe we wouldn't be perfect. No one can expect that.

But underneath the grime and muck of even the worst of places, I see a seed of human decency just waiting to be planted.

And yeah, maybe I'm not the person that's best to plant it. Maybe I'm not the best example. But I know what I see, and that's a start.

So maybe, just maybe, we can take some of that love that keeps turning into hate, and just try turning it into more love instead.

So what do you all say? Want to help try to piece this place back together?

Home girl, I've said for years that the Smash fanbase is the worst fanbase in video games not named console fanboys and Pokemon.

It has every fanbase including more into one massive insanity that is filled to the brim with toxic waste of fanboys complaining and crying about everything for a crossover fighter

 

[Schnee117]

Barbarian Maximilian Dood teased for Killer Instinct.
Literally just Eyedol and Gargos left in terms of old KI characters.

 

[Coricus]

Home girl, I've said for years that the Smash fanbase is the worst fanbase in video games not named console fanboys and Pokemon.

It has every fanbase including more into one massive insanity that is filled to the brim with toxic waste of fanboys complaining and crying about everything for a crossover fighter

My fanbase experience outside of this is largely limited to the Sonic fandom and GameFAQs Pokémon.

I can see the pooling of every fanbases' worst aspects for sure, but as bad as we are, we are positively chill compared to the emo that goes on at the average Sonic fan forum.

And that's not even getting into isolated fandom incidents like every article about Mega Man merchandise I read being filled with people flaming the given object for not being a new game. There's been some fussing about Amiibo, but at least it was people being worried they were being ripped off and not just their being upset that they were getting merch period.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Barbarian Maximilian Dood teased for Killer Instinct.
Literally just Eyedol and Gargos left in terms of old KI characters.

Now they only need to reveal Eyedol & Gargos to finally have all KI1 & KI2 characters.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

One question, was Tusk always Viking-esque?

With his reveal that's now the whole original cast bar the bosses. I wonder how many 90's pop culture tropes they can mine for more new characters. Or how many more Microsoft series they can crossover with. Zoo Tycoon maybe?

 

[Z25]

That was in the Leaks Group? I thought it was here, NintenZone.
Oh well, that was fun.

It was either early on in the social, or near the end of the leaks thread. Don't remember, I read it in the morning because it happened over night.


And there is a POKEMON DIRECT FRIDAY!!!!

I'm hyped! Five minutes means it's probably going to be one trailer, but it's a direct not just randomly put on their youtube, they want us to know about it and watch it happen live.

This Is Going To Be Big!!!

Here is my prediction for what will happen:

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Wasn't Tusk some kind of cave man?

Edit: LOL, I guess he was always a northern Barbarian. He just looked weird to me

 

[Opossum]

I dunno
I'd take Daisy over Sans any day
You don't know how painful it was to type this

I'd take Sans over Daisy in a heartbeat, honestly. Bone powers > *insert something for Daisy that appeared maybe once or twice* IMO.

i feel insulted sans even made it on there.

Because how dare people want characters for a fan game, amirite?

 

[Wolfie557]

You know, I don't think this fanbase is beyond saving. Not really.

Are there people in it beyond saving? Yeah, sure.

But I've seen worse. I've seen fandoms so over the edge that they've just utterly given up hope. Fandoms that only exist so that the fans can insult what they once loved in a tone of perceived betrayal and utter bitterness that even the worst of this fanbase couldn't even begin to grasp the true depths of.

We're guilty of a lot of things. But giving up hope isn't one of them.

And I think that if some of us just reached out and tried to view things with a more positive outlook, it would rub off on others.

Maybe we wouldn't be perfect. No one can expect that.

But underneath the grime and muck of even the worst of places, I see a seed of human decency just waiting to be planted.

And yeah, maybe I'm not the person that's best to plant it. Maybe I'm not the best example. But I know what I see, and that's a start.

So maybe, just maybe, we can take some of that love that keeps turning into hate, and just try turning it into more love instead.

So what do you all say? Want to help try to piece this place back together?

I think as long as debates aren't aggressive and are friendly and respect others opinions Smash speculation is fine.

Also, fan rules need to be banned.

 

[ChikoLad]

So the thing about the Direct being 5 minutes is something that came from the Japanese Nintendo/Pokémon account (not sure which, it was one or the other).

This might mean that it's only 5 minutes there.

Reason being that:

-Pokken is already out in Japan
-Detective Pikachu is too (at least the first episode)

So they might discuss those in the international version of the direct. As well as whatever megaton announcement they have.

 

[Schnee117]

I think as long as debates aren't aggressive and are friendly and respect others opinions Smash speculation is fine.

Sadly this won't be the case 100% of the time because there's always that one guy.

 

[Radical Bones]

I'm trying really hard not to get hyped about the Pokemon Direct.
I want it to be the next main series game so bad... but I'm worried it'll just remind us all about Pokken and RBY.
But still...

 

[ChikoLad]

I honestly don't want it to be a main series game as it's the aspect of Pokémon I am least interested in these days, lol.

It's probably gonna be something to do with that though. That, or a special anniversary game.

 

[Burruni]

HOLY CHRIST.

CHAPTER 24 FINALLY DOWN FOR CONQUEST.

SCREW THE DRAGON VEIN MECHANIC.

I HOPE IT NEVER RETURNS.

AND KISHI NIGHTS.

 

[Wolfie557]

Whoever made this needs to get hired asap.

Spoiler

 

[Coricus]

You know, I just remembered a weird headcanon parallel I keep noting.

Well, it's about the inverted titles of the initial Black and White and the relationship between and .

is pretty much defined by being wildly idealistic, and would thus be more associated with the black Zekrom.

is largely defined by being bluntly truthful, which fits in squarely with the white Reshiram.

. . .I dunno. I just always found it fascinating.

I think as long as debates aren't aggressive and are friendly and respect others opinions Smash speculation is fine.

Also, fan rules need to be banned.

That's the way I feel, too, although many would disagree.

Personally I think it's fine if we keep some personal restraints in the back of our minds in order to prevent things from careening too far out of control, but the way these rules are treated as concrete fact and enforced as law just has to go. Telling people they can't have a character damages speculation and leads to situations like how and were such utter blindsides. At the end of the day, it's going to help speculation much more than hurt it to let people just ask for what they want to ask for in public instead of their being forced to stay quiet until they're left alone in front of some Ballot to do things that the fandom thought they had crushed through oppression with not a soul to see them.

If you want someone to like your character instead of theirs, you need to do it by winning them over on your character, not by telling them that their character is trash.

 

[NintenZ]

I'd take Sans over Daisy in a heartbeat, honestly. Bone powers > *insert something for Daisy that appeared maybe once or twice* IMO.

Really takes the expression "Throw me a bone" to a whole new level.

 

[Z25]

What is this?

It looks faked, but I don't know....

Anyone in France who has seen this?



EDIT:

Positive it's fake, due to using XY direct footage,

It's weird though...

 

[Wolfie557]

You know, I just remembered a weird headcanon parallel I keep noting.

Well, it's about the inverted titles of the initial Black and White and the relationship between and .

is pretty much defined by being wildly idealistic, and would thus be more associated with the black Zekrom.

is largely defined by being bluntly truthful, which fits in squarely with the white Reshiram.

. . .I dunno. I just always found it fascinating.


That's the way I feel, too, although many would disagree.

Personally I think it's fine if we keep some personal restraints in the back of our minds in order to prevent things from careening too far out of control, but the way these rules are treated as concrete fact and enforced as law just has to go. Telling people they can't have a character damages speculation and leads to situations like how and were such utter blindsides. At the end of the day, it's going to help speculation much more than hurt it to let people just ask for what they want to ask for in public instead of their being forced to stay quiet until they're left alone in front of some Ballot to do things that the fandom thought they had crushed through oppression with not a soul to see them.

If you want someone to like your character instead of theirs, you need to do it by winning them over on your character, not by telling them that their character is trash.

From my experience most people immediately just dismissed Bayo as a joke/complete dream since they believed it's impossible due to so and so without putting any sort of thought into it just because they saw the few cutscenes and heard the fan rules like the 'really iconic 3rd parties only' one.

I admit, I doubted she could use her guns the way she does half the time (even though they are like almost 3x the size of normal guns in reality) but adjusting the costume couldn't have been too hard to think of... people barely scratched the surface.

Fan rules in general simply decrease the character choices and many people are afraid/quickly won over into saying someone they want to see. Without fan rules I'm sure Cloud/Ryu/others would be more prevalent in speculation, which is why I think Smash5 speculation will either be very interesting or people will never learn XD.

 

[ChikoLad]

The main problem with Smash speculation (aside from general roster***ing) this go around was leaks. Gematsu/Sal Romano specifically.

People clung to that **** like it was the bible and wanting or believing in any characters outside of those leaks got a pack of mad dogs after you.

And even after a character not on the leak at all was confirmed early on (), people still clung to Gematsu. And even still after all of the other discrepancies between it and the actual roster, like "lol say hello to my friend Shulk *enter Robin and Lucina, Chrom deconfirmed*", people STILL clung to this specific leak. I don't care if it got in the first stage. Maybe that was legitimate info, maybe it was a lucky guess, but either way, Gematsu got a bunch of stuff wrong, and most of the characters it predicted were safe bets that a lot of people were thinking of anyway. But for some reason, everyone stuck to this leak like it was gospel, and you couldn't ask for anything outside of it. It's the one specific leak I can recall people ALWAYS going around to.

That stuff got old real fast. I don't want to see any other leak dictate a fandom like this ever again. It's one thing if the leaks show gameplay, since you can't deny it's real and there's no room for discrepancies, and actually seeing things in action is potentially exciting. But some stupid list of names is not exciting, people just keep throwing it in your face like a pushy religious guy constantly quoting the bible, and I don't want to see it again.

Heck, I mostly just don't like leaks in general. Nintendo needs to up their security with info on their games.

 

[Wolfie557]

That reminds me......was that 3DS Palutena leak fake or real? I can't remember.....

If fake it was one of the best leaks I've seen, second only to Smashified's Rayman. I always thought either way Palutena would get in so I wasn't worried.

 

[Burruni]

What is this?

It looks faked, but I don't know....

Anyone in France who has seen this?



EDIT:

Positive it's fake, due to using XY direct footage,

It's weird though...

I mean.
Yes its fake but...
As someone who speaks French.
This isn't convincing.
"Preparez vous" isn't proper grammar.

Edit:

That reminds me......was that 3DS Palutena leak fake or real? I can't remember.....

If fake it was one of the best leaks I've seen, second only to Smashified's Rayman. I always thought either way Palutena would get in so I wasn't worried.

convincing fake

 

[Guybrush20X6]

The main problem with Smash speculation (aside from general roster***ing) this go around was leaks. Gematsu/Sal Romano specifically.

People clung to that **** like it was the bible and wanting or believing in any characters outside of those leaks got a pack of mad dogs after you.

And even after a character not on the leak at all was confirmed early on (), people still clung to Gematsu. And even still after all of the other discrepancies between it and the actual roster, like "lol say hello to my friend Shulk *enter Robin and Lucina, Chrom deconfirmed*", people STILL clung to this specific leak. I don't care if it got in the first stage. Maybe that was legitimate info, maybe it was a lucky guess, but either way, Gematsu got a bunch of stuff wrong, and most of the characters it predicted were safe bets that a lot of people were thinking of anyway. But for some reason, everyone stuck to this leak like it was gospel, and you couldn't ask for anything outside of it. It's the one specific leak I can recall people ALWAYS going around to.

That stuff got old real fast. I don't want to see any other leak dictate a fandom like this ever again. It's one thing if the leaks show gameplay, since you can't deny it's real and there's no room for discrepancies, and actually seeing things in action is potentially exciting. But some stupid list of names is not exciting, people just keep throwing it in your face like a pushy religious guy constantly quoting the bible, and I don't want to see it again.

Heck, I mostly just don't like leaks in general. Nintendo needs to up their security with info on their games.

Robin and Lucina was a great day for speculation. And a poor one for Chrom fans.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

Ok, so possiblities for the Pokemon direct to me would be:
-More info on Pokken Tournament
-Announcement of Detective Pikachu coming overseas
-Pokemon Z
-Pokemon Red, Blue, and Yellow through virtual console
-A retrospective of the franchise's 20th anniversary
-BIG Prediction: Pokemon 7th Gen (and we won't hear more about it til E3)

 

[Curious Villager]

Fan rules, while may having some good intentions for some, can really hinder the support for others, especially when it turns out in the end that these "rules" never really meant anything in the long run and just a matter of the fandom putting up arbitrary limitations on each other and hindering the support of certain characters.

Of course the "Iconic gaming icon 3rd parties only" rule was one of those that plagued a number of characters, only to find out that Sakurai is happy to consider any third party for Smash from as recent as Bayonetta to someone who hasn't seen much activity like Geno.

I think people really shouldn't treat these rules as gospel imo.

 

[ChikoLad]

Fan rules, while may having some good intentions for some, can really hinder the support for others, especially when it turns out in the end that these "rules" never really meant anything in the long run and just a matter of the fandom putting up arbitrary limitations on each othert of certain characters.

Of course the "Iconic gaming icon 3rd parties only" rule was one of those that plagued a number of characters, only to find out that Sakurai is happy to consider any third party for Smash from as recent as Bayonetta to someone who hasn't seen much activity like Geno.

I think people really shouldn't treat these rules as gospel imo.

Actually, that isn't a fan rule, Sakurai has said it is the case in his recent Nintendo Dream interview, and many interviews in general.

Bayonetta and Geno are very specific exceptions to it. Bayonetta because Sakurai promised he would add the winning (among realisable choices) character from the ballot, regardless of who it was.

Geno isn't even in the game so he doesn't really count for anything (Sakurai has merely thought about including him, but he's done this for tons of characters), but he is weird in that he is an original character from a first party Nintendo franchise (Super Mario) owned by a third party company (Square Enix). Legally, he is third party, but he is a first party character in spirit.

 

[Coricus]

The main problem with Smash speculation (aside from general roster***ing) this go around was leaks. Gematsu/Sal Romano specifically.

People clung to that **** like it was the bible and wanting or believing in any characters outside of those leaks got a pack of mad dogs after you.

And even after a character not on the leak at all was confirmed early on (), people still clung to Gematsu. And even still after all of the other discrepancies between it and the actual roster, like "lol say hello to my friend Shulk *enter Robin and Lucina, Chrom deconfirmed*", people STILL clung to this specific leak. I don't care if it got in the first stage. Maybe that was legitimate info, maybe it was a lucky guess, but either way, Gematsu got a bunch of stuff wrong, and most of the characters it predicted were safe bets that a lot of people were thinking of anyway. But for some reason, everyone stuck to this leak like it was gospel, and you couldn't ask for anything outside of it. It's the one specific leak I can recall people ALWAYS going around to.

That stuff got old real fast. I don't want to see any other leak dictate a fandom like this ever again. It's one thing if the leaks show gameplay, since you can't deny it's real and there's no room for discrepancies, and actually seeing things in action is potentially exciting. But some stupid list of names is not exciting, people just keep throwing it in your face like a pushy religious guy constantly quoting the bible, and I don't want to see it again.

Heck, I mostly just don't like leaks in general. Nintendo needs to up their security with info on their games.

Oh gosh yes.

Even setting aside the argument over whether and how real it is, that thing KILLED speculation from right after E3 2013 right up until release, AKA pretty much the entire time characters were actually being revealed.

I hope we never have a leak with a strong following that early into a reveal period ever again.

 

[NintenZ]

Actually, that isn't a fan rule, Sakurai has said it is the case in his recent Nintendo Dream interview, and many interviews in general.

Bayonetta and Geno are very specific exceptions to it. Bayonetta because Sakurai promised he would add the winning (among realisable choices) character from the ballot, regardless of who it was.

Geno isn't even in the game so he doesn't really count for anything (Sakurai has merely thought about including him, but he's done this for tons of characters), but he is weird in that his an original character from a first party Nintendo franchise (Super Mario) owned by a third party company (Square Enix). Legally, he is third party, but he is a first party character in spirit.

"R.I.P. Nintenzilla's hopes and dreams: 2015-2016"

 

[Curious Villager]

Bayonetta because Sakurai promised he would add the winning (among realisable choices) character from the ballot, regardless of who it was.

Then people shouldn't really use that rule if Sakurai where to do another ballot next time.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

"R.I.P. Nintenzilla's hopes and dreams: 2015-2016"

Hey, Sakurai said that if anyone were to represent the Tales series, it'd be Lloyd.

 

[NintenZ]

Hey, Sakurai said that if anyone were to represent the Tales series, it'd be Lloyd.

I forgot about that. Well that's relieving...