Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Champ Gold]

Honestly.
As someone who loves their ThunderCougarFalconDorf.
I agree that a significant bit of the vocal minority clamoring for swords & magic in Dorf is because of how he's been so crushed in Brawl and Smash 4.
And part of that in general is in differences of the games' engines.
But there are two major things that have kept Dorf where he is.
A) How attrociously slow he became post-Melee especially with no glitchiness of wavedashing to compensate.
B) The loss of the double jump refresh off of Wizard's foot.

We're left with someone with one of the absolute worst speeds in the game, and unlike most slow characters he doesn't have much air speed of a projectile to help in neutral as well as having one of the most pitiful recoveries IN the game.

being about A tier and being on the bottom rung really says in that difference of raw mobility if nothing else.

Edit: What Dorf needs isn't an overhaul to give him a better neutral game, he just needs his kit tweaked to function as more than combo bait with some heavy heavy punishes.

He had decent movement in Melee. He wasn't slow but he wasn't around Mario's speed but still mobile.

I blame it on the design moreso.

Compare OOT Dorf (His Melee design):

And TP Ganondorf (His current Smash design)

He's bulkier, fatter and isn't as lean and fit as his Melee variant.

Melee Dorf looks young and ready to lay the smackdown. Brawl/Smash 4 Dorf is old and feels like the villain who is past his prime in most cases (still looks super sinister)

 

[Burruni]

He had decent movement in Melee. He wasn't slow but he wasn't around Mario's speed but still mobile.

I blame it on the design moreso.

Compare OOT Dorf (His Melee design):


And TP Ganondorf (His current Smash design)


He's bulkier, fatter and isn't as lean and fit as his Melee variant.

Melee Dorf looks young and ready to lay the smackdown. Brawl/Smash 4 Dorf is old and feels like the villain who is past his prime in most cases (still looks super sinister)

As I've said for a while.
Let me play as a Ganon that isn't Grampadorf. Give me OoT Dorf, HW Dorf, WIZPIG Ganon.

 

[Deleted member]

The only idea worse than giving Ganondorf a new moveset is making a remake of a game from the last gen on a console that has backwards compatibility

 

[Burruni]

The only idea worse than giving Ganondorf a new moveset is making a remake of a game from the last gen on a console that has backwards compatibility

You mean like
Twilight Princess HD?
All of the Wii motion remakes of Gamecube titles?
Last of Us HD?

 

[Metal Shop X]

I like how people want Ganondof to have sword, when also some of those people are also complaining we have too much sword character.

I mean, if we have a Ganondorf with a original moveset. Having a sword isn't the best way i will say.

I still find funny that the best Ganondorf in all Smash game that apparear is the one who is the most clone of them all. Heck, even Project M who have tried to make him more unique, seem to have failed to make him a good character according to PM player. (Like, he was placing in the bottom 5 i think in a unnoficial Tier List that i saw. And even tough it's not official, it's still say alot.)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The only idea worse than giving Ganondorf a new moveset is making a remake of a game from the last gen on a console that has backwards compatibility

...Ganon uses TP's design and TP could count as that...

 

[Wolfie557]

Is it bad if I think EA > SEGA?
To me I only like/care for SEGA because:

• Existence of Sonic - never owned any, but tried demo's and thier free mobile games, plus he's in Smash.
• Total War (quite meh)
• They made the After Burner music
• Adopted Bayonetta

While EA it's:

• Battle for Middle-Earth games -WHY did you loose the rights to Lord of the Rings ;.;
• The Sims
• LotR: Conquest (DS & PC)
• Simicity (5/2013)
• Spore
• Command & Conquer (also quite meh My RTS standards are high)

And this is the order of my fav Video Game companies because I'm bored. It evolved a lot.
10.SEGA
9.Namco Bandai Entertainment
8.Blizzard
7.Electronic Arts
6.Capcom
5.Tecmo Koei
4.Microsoft Studios
3.Nintendo
2.Ubisoft
1.Platinum Games*

Companies who previously were #1 at some point: Microsoft Studios(x2), EA, Ubisoft, Nintendo

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Is it bad if I think EA > SEGA?
To me I only like/care for SEGA because:

• Existence of Sonic - never owned any, but tried demo's and thier free mobile games, plus he's in Smash.
• Total War (quite meh)
• They made the After Burner music
• Adopted Bayonetta

While EA it's:

• Battle for Middle-Earth games -WHY did you loose the rights to Lord of the Rings ;.;
• The Sims
• LotR: Conquest (DS & PC)
• Simicity (5/2013)
• Spore
• Command & Conquer (also quite meh My RTS standards are high)

And this is the order of my fav Video Game companies because I'm bored. It evolved a lot.
10.SEGA
9.Namco Bandai Entertainment
8.Blizzard
7.Electronic Arts
6.Capcom
5.Tecmo Koei
4.Microsoft Studios
3.Nintendo
2.Ubisoft
1.Platinum Games*

Companies who previously were #1 at some point: Microsoft Studios(x2), EA, Ubisoft, Nintendo

It's horrible for one major reason. Remind who owns most of the games Platinum owns? Madworld, Anarchy Reigns and Bayo ****ing netta

 

[NintenZ]

So does anyone think that Corrin was supposed to get a stage?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So does anyone think that Corrin was supposed to get a stage?

Nope, as there was specific mention to no stage. Not to mention there's not really much to be done with FE stages. I'd love to see Akenea be fully realized though, mages and dragons attacking players

 

[Champ Gold]

So does anyone think that Corrin was supposed to get a stage?

Not really IMO.

I wish some DLC characters get stages in return like for Mewtwo and Lucas like Pokemon Stadium and New Pork City

 

[Substitution]

So does anyone think that Corrin was supposed to get a stage?

No. I'm assuming they had tie-in stages just for those who didn't have one for themselves (namely Ryu, Cloud, and Bayonetta).

 

[Wolfie557]

It's horrible for one major reason. Remind who owns most of the games Platinum owns? Madworld, Anarchy Reigns and Bayo ****ing netta

I don't really care who owns what. The studio is amazing. <3
Hopefully it will grow big enough to own it's babies.

So does anyone think that Corrin was supposed to get a stage?

Why? Every newcomer from a series with no stage gets a stage. Only exception I guess is ROB but in my headcannon he gets the 'other' ones like Wrecking Crew. FE already has 3 stages. I didn't expect any.

 

[Frostwraith]

So does anyone think that Corrin was supposed to get a stage?

Nope.

There are 3 FE stages counting both versions, so Corrin didn't really need one.

Ryu, Cloud and Bayo each had a stage bundled with them because they brought new franchises to Smash and needed to have a home stage to appear in 3DS Classic mode.

In addition, there are no empty placeholders for stages except for one on the 3DS version that was likely meant for the Pirate Ship stage before it was scrapped and they added a free port of the Wii U Duck Hunt stage instead.

 

[Champ Gold]

I don't really care who owns what. The studio is amazing. <3
Hopefully it will grow big enough to own it's babies.

Why? Every newcomer from a series with no stage gets a stage. Only exception I guess is ROB but in my headcannon he gets the 'other' ones like Wrecking Crew. FE already has 3 stages. I didn't expect any.

Besides FE characters do have their own home stage in a sense like & have Castle Siege and & have Coliseum.

Just like other characters

Spoiler

Peach's Castle:
Mushroom Kingdom U:
Delfino Plaza:
Cosmic Observatory:

Hyrule Castle:
Hyrule Temple:
Bridge of Eldin:
Pirate Ship:

Pryrosphere:

Kalos Pokemon League:
Pokemon Stadium 2:

Dreamland:
Halbeard:

 

[NintenZ]

Besides FE characters do have their own home stage in a sense like & have Castle Siege and & have Coliseum.

Just like other characters

Spoiler

Peach's Castle:
Mushroom Kingdom U:
Delfino Plaza:
Cosmic Observatory:

Hyrule Castle:
Hyrule Temple:
Bridge of Eldin:
Pirate Ship:

Pryrosphere:

Kalos Pokemon League:
Pokemon Stadium 2:

Dreamland:
Halbeard:

Dedede's home stage is more like Dream Land, not really Halberd.

That stage is more like exclusively Meta Knight's home stage.

 

[Frostwraith]

I believe all stages from a franchise serve as the home stage for all of that franchise's characters.

The really aren't home stages for a specific character. It's franchise based.

 

[FalKoopa]

I believe all stages from a franchise serve as the home stage for all of that franchise's characters.

The really aren't home stages for a specific character. It's franchise based.

Still, some stages go better with one character than another. Mushroom Kingdom U is not as good as a fit for as Mario Galaxy. Or the Pirate Ship fits much better than the rest of the Zelda cast.

 

[NintenZ]

So anyways, on another note I wanted to ask something, on a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate my ideal roster for Smash 5?

 

[wedl!!]

"hey mom when are we going out today to get street fighter"

"not today, I'm not getting paid until thursday"

>my mom never mentioned this until i brought it up this morning

my first world problems know no end

 

[Z25]

So guys who's ready for pokemon Z Rumors?

Here's a supposed list of pokemon that will be in the game. From 4cahn, but I found it on Pokejungle. Trying to find the thread now.

Thoughts? The names are interesting, and have some awesome type combinations.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So guys who's ready for pokemon Z Rumors?

Here's a supposed list of pokemon that will be in the game. From 4cahn, but I found it on Pokejungle. Trying to find the thread now.

Thoughts? The names are interesting, and have some awesome type combinations.

Highly doubt it, but interesting concepts

 

[ChikoLad]

I believe all stages from a franchise serve as the home stage for all of that franchise's characters.

The really aren't home stages for a specific character. It's franchise based.

I'd say that can't be the case for all characters.

Mario in particular clearly has different stages for different characters. Luigi's Mansion is clearly Luigi's home stage. Mario Galaxy/Rainbow Road is clearly Rosalina's. And I'd say Mushroom Kingdom U belongs to the Bowsers and Koopalings given Kamek, Nabbit, and the fact one of the segments has one of the castle stages.

Those are just a few examples but it's obvious some stages are associated with particular characters in a franchise.

 

[Z25]

Highly doubt it, but interesting concepts

True, I
feel like GF wouldn't give us such awesome type combos.

But who knows. I'll keep it in mind if we see any more new pokemon. also here's a thread discussing it:
http://boards.4chan.org/vp/thread/25233738/lets-remember-the-supposed-leak-list-from

 

[SuperMii3D]

So guys who's ready for pokemon Z Rumors?

Here's a supposed list of pokemon that will be in the game. From 4cahn, but I found it on Pokejungle. Trying to find the thread now.

Thoughts? The names are interesting, and have some awesome type combinations.

Love the concepts, but doubting it.

Pepperano especially

 

[FalKoopa]

So guys who's ready for pokemon Z Rumors?

Here's a supposed list of pokemon that will be in the game. From 4cahn, but I found it on Pokejungle. Trying to find the thread now.

Thoughts? The names are interesting, and have some awesome type combinations.

I doubt it. Unless there is a way for Pokémon XY and ORAS to receive these, there will be riots.

Although the names are entertaining. H-Gen, Okishigen, and H2Otaa? Peppimento and Peppanero?

 

[Wolfie557]

So anyways, on another note I wanted to ask something, on a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate my ideal roster for Smash 5?

+++No 3rd party cuts
+++Viridi
++Anna, Elma
++Wolf/Ice Climbers
+DK series
+No AC newcomers. Phew.
+Ashley, Takamaru, Inkling, Yurri.

=Isaac, Chorus Kids, Lloyd, Captain Toad, Fiora, Zoroark, Poke slot Spot
=No Ivysuar/Squirtle
=Starfox series
=That layout -.-

- - - - Arcade Bunny
- - - Geno.
- - Tingle over better (imo) choices such as Ghirahim, Midna, Impa, Ganon, Skull Kid, Linkle...
- - No Snake return
- Dr.Mario stays over Lucina / Dark Pit.
- No Metroid newcomer.
- Blurry Viridi

7.5/10.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I'd say that can't be the case for all characters.

Mario in particular clearly has different stages for different characters. Luigi's Mansion is clearly Luigi's home stage. Mario Galaxy/Rainbow Road is clearly Rosalina's. And I'd say Mushroom Kingdom U belongs to the Bowsers and Koopalings given Kamek, Nabbit, and the fact one of the segments has one of the castle stages.

Those are just a few examples but it's obvious some stages are associated with particular characters in a franchise.

Except Nabbit isn't Bowser's minion nor is he Mario's ally.
This is seen best in Paper Jam where he

Spoiler: Spoiler for Paper Jam

changes alliance on the fly, either fighting against Mario or Bowser's minions with Mario

yes I came here by searching on Nabbit.

So anyways, on another note I wanted to ask something, on a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate my ideal roster for Smash 5?

0/10 no Nabbit
1 money stealing Rabbit isn't enough to save this roster

Just scrap Geno and replace him with an actual character

 

[Coricus]

So guys who's ready for pokemon Z Rumors?

Here's a supposed list of pokemon that will be in the game. From 4cahn, but I found it on Pokejungle. Trying to find the thread now.

Thoughts? The names are interesting, and have some awesome type combinations.

Aww, it's so adorable!

I think I'll call it, "Generation 7." :3


Pretty much guaranteed to be fake, though

 

[SuperMii3D]

Except Nabbit isn't Bowser's minion nor is he Mario's ally.
This is seen best in Paper Jam where he

Spoiler: Spoiler for Paper Jam

changes alliance on the fly, either fighting against Mario or Bowser's minions with Mario

yes I came here by searching on Nabbit.


0/10 no Nabbit
1 money stealing Rabbit isn't enough to save this roster

Just scrap Geno and replace him with an actual character

Hopefully Sm4sh haxxers can take Nabbits model from Sm4sh and use him for Brawl modding

 

[Aetheri]

So guys who's ready for pokemon Z Rumors?

Here's a supposed list of pokemon that will be in the game. From 4cahn, but I found it on Pokejungle. Trying to find the thread now.

Thoughts? The names are interesting, and have some awesome type combinations.

Fighting/Dragon
Dragon/Steel that's not a legendary
Fairy/Poison!!!
Bug/Dark
another Ghost/Steel
Seems really really interesting...if its real...

 

[Wolfie557]

Feast your eyes on THIS video:

<3<3<3<3
Why you choose Toad of all characters tho.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Actual complaints on Nintenzilla's roster:

1. Xenoblade isn't the right series to gain two newcomers when Animal Crossing gained its representant a generation too late, with the series being in bloom now

2. Zoroark is a generation too late

3. Geno

 

[NintenZ]

+++No 3rd party cuts
+++Viridi
++Anna, Elma
++Wolf/Ice Climbers
+DK series
+No AC newcomers. Phew.
+Ashley, Takamaru, Inkling, Yurri.

=Isaac, Chorus Kids, Lloyd, Captain Toad, Fiora, Zoroark, Poke slot Spot
=No Ivysuar/Squirtle
=Starfox series
=That layout -.-

- - - - Arcade Bunny
- - - Geno.
- - Tingle over better (imo) choices such as Ghirahim, Midna, Impa, Ganon, Skull Kid, Linkle...
- - No Snake return
- Dr.Mario stays over Lucina / Dark Pit.
- No Metroid newcomer.
- Blurry Viridi

7.5/10.

Geno was just added because of overwhelming demand for him in Smash...

Also him getting a Mii Costume led me to promote him.

 

[ChikoLad]

Except Nabbit isn't Bowser's minion nor is he Mario's ally.
This is seen best in Paper Jam where he

Spoiler: Spoiler for Paper Jam

changes alliance on the fly, either fighting against Mario or Bowser's minions with Mario

yes I came here by searching on Nabbit.


0/10 no Nabbit
1 money stealing Rabbit isn't enough to save this roster

Just scrap Geno and replace him with an actual character

Paper Jam is completely irrelevant to Smash 4 since it came out a year later and, unlike FE Fates, isn't referenced in any way through DLC. They didn't account for it at all when making the stage.

As far as NSMBU goes, Nabbit was just another adversary of sorts for Mario.

Also the near identical neckerchief to Bowser. Jr is more than a little uncanny.

 

[Deleted member]

You mean like
Twilight Princess HD?
All of the Wii motion remakes of Gamecube titles?
Last of Us HD?

No, not like those
I mean EXACTLY like them

...Ganon uses TP's design and TP could count as that...

At least TP Ganon looks good when not in TLoZ: Brown and Browner

So does anyone think that Corrin was supposed to get a stage?

Unless Sakurai wanted to spoil something from Fates?
Nah
But I'd totally have the map from Chapter 5
Why?

Spoiler

Ask your mom

Nope, as there was specific mention to no stage. Not to mention there's not really much to be done with FE stages. I'd love to see Akenea be fully realized though, mages and dragons attacking players

I still want the Dragon's Gate from FE7 because you can do so much with it and it's probably one of the few iconic locations from the franchise
We currently have Generic Castle #10 and Coliseum which is cool because it's probably where you'll be spending most of your time in chapters where you can abuse it but it's not based off any specific place

have Castle Siege

The Coliseum has the GBA design
If anything, Roy's home stage is it

 

[DoodleDuck97]

Feast your eyes on THIS video:

<3<3<3<3
Why you choose Toad of all characters tho.

Death Egg Robot...
This needs to be a thing in Mario Kart 9.

 

[NintenZ]

Actual complaints on Nintenzilla's roster:

1. Xenoblade isn't the right series to gain two newcomers when Animal Crossing gained its representant a generation too late, with the series being in bloom now

2. Zoroark is a generation too late

3. Geno

Well to be fair he could gain back relevance and popularity if he gets a Mega Evolution in gen. 7.

(Also dat gameplay potential)

 

[Deleted member]

"hey mom when are we going out today to get street fighter"

"not today, I'm not getting paid until thursday"

>my mom never mentioned this until i brought it up this morning

my first world problems know no end

Me everytime I want to buy a new game
This is why I make pre-orders/downloads now

So guys who's ready for pokemon Z Rumors?

Here's a supposed list of pokemon that will be in the game. From 4cahn, but I found it on Pokejungle. Trying to find the thread now.

Thoughts? The names are interesting, and have some awesome type combinations.

RingoBAE tho

 

[Z25]

Love the concepts, but doubting it.

Pepperano especially

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I do admit pepperano sounds kind of ridiculous, but we have a freaking ice cream cone so I wouldn't be surprised I doubt the types would be stuff Gf would do, they usually aren't that clever.

I doubt it. Unless there is a way for Pokémon XY and ORAS to receive these, there will be riots.

Although the names are entertaining. H-Gen, Okishigen, and H2Otaa? Peppimento and Peppanero?

I mean GF didn't patch XY to have ORAS megas, so I wouldn't be surprised if the 3rd version brought new mons in for only that version. They seem to want to push pokebank more, so that might be why. The names are also Japanese I believe, so in English it probably be much different. The biggest reason I find to doubt this is the strange souvenir. I'm almost positive it will be used third game, and if I were to guess, we would go to a new region to use it. So maybe in Z we go to Kalos and a new region, or Kalos and Hoenn, or if they wanted to go all out( which they probably won't) we could go to all 3!

Aww, it's so adorable!

I think I'll call it, "Generation 7." :3


Pretty much guaranteed to be fake, though

It's probably fake but worth keeping around

Fighting/Dragon
Dragon/Steel that's not a legendary
Fairy/Poison!!!
Bug/Dark
another Ghost/Steel
Seems really really interesting...if its real...

Yeah, The type combos are really nice, I would love to see them, but I find it unlikely, I'm still kind of hoping though.