Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Schnee117]

I see it's acceptable to support developers that release incomplete games now.

Sure do what you want with your money, it's your funeral. Don't come crying about how the game you just bought is lacking.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Actually, Splatoon is WORSE than how SFV is handled. From what I remember, paid DLC is planned for Splatoon and outside of Europe, it was full price. Europe got it half price, just like how SFV seems to be 40 bucks instead of 60. Sure, you CAN use microtransactions in SFV, but the ingame currency is fairly easy to get, and there aren't locked anything under paywalls, like Splatoon with the amiibo stuff. You want that cool Samurai outfit? Pay 16 bucks and it could be yours!

 

[Deleted member]

Omg I can't believe that I pre-downloaded Fates but it won't let me play until a certain day!!!
How can Nintendo make me pay for an incomplete game like this!?!?!?

Are people just now complaining about SFV's DLC plans?

This reminds me how everyone started to complain about Smash 3DS/Wii U not getting a story mode months after that news was announced.

Your avatar is fitting

 

[A Distant Demon]

From what I remember, paid DLC is planned for Splatoon

Not confirmed yet. May JUST be amiibo stuff if at all.

You want that cool Samurai outfit? Pay 16 bucks and it could be yours!

Yes a single costume is locked behind each amiibo. Not even pay to win gear.

It isn't that bad.

 

[Champ Gold]

Man see y'all complain about SFV releasing with limited content Day One and yet forgetting that there's a game coming out this week that did it much worst with its content

Spoiler

 

[Substitution]

Omg I can't believe that I pre-downloaded Fates but it won't let me play until a certain day!!!
How can Nintendo make me pay for an incomplete game like this!?!?!?

...Your attempt at humor was little lacking not gonna lie.
Like... A pre-order and what SFV are doing is kinda different. This sarcasm makes little sense in context.

 

[Z25]

The new gravity falls has started! Let the Hype begin!

 

[Burruni]

Jesus christ guys I didnt mean to spark all this.

Man see y'all complain about SFV releasing with limited content Day One and yet forgetting that there's a game coming out this week that did it much worst with its content

Spoiler

Three full-length games that you pay two games' worth of price for.
Yeah not complaining.

 

[A Distant Demon]

SFV's problem is it won't be "complete" for a long time. We don't even know Sakura's relase date to know WHEN it will be complete!

Man see y'all complain about SFV releasing with limited content Day One and yet forgetting that there's a game coming out this week that did it much worst with its content

Spoiler

Ugh. Everyone is off complaining about unimportant stuff and no one is complaining about splitting versions. All 3 versions better be ****ing spectacular for this BS.

The new gravity falls has started! Let the Hype begin!

Anyone know a way I can watch GF without a tv right now? Or later if I have to wait until tomorrow?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Not confirmed yet. May JUST be amiibo stuff if at all.

Yes a single costume is locked behind each amiibo. Not even pay to win gear.

It isn't that bad.

Capcom confirmed no paid DLC unless you resort to microtransactions

I used an example, if you see a player online and want the outfit they have, you NEED amiibo if it's locked, meaning you have to pay 16 bucks for it

I think what people are forgetting is the HUGE difference between this and scamming AAA devs. For example, imagine Assassin Creed is buggy and incomplete at launch. Modern Ewbisoft wouldn't say anything about it. Capcom is saying this about a month before the game comes out. They are WARNING you that if you want more content, you might want to wait a little

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

They release cars incomplete too

They send you out saying its all good, then a year later you get a recall notice and parts need to be replaced

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Incomplete games have been released for years now, just be happy that at least this time the DLC will come for free at a later date and that the core gameplay should still be intact. Personally I've not been happy with the practice since it began but this is far from one of the worse examples of it happening, I only need to point at EA and Ubisoft to show what actual rushed and unfinished products look like, they've even been milking every single cent out of their customers possible in the most disgusting ways.

If it's that big of a deal to some people then I'd like to see them answer with their wallet, that's the only way any company listens, personally I've stopped buying games from any developer who's stepped on my toes in that regard.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

1. Smash comes with heaps upon heaps of content. You pay full price for a game that has an above average amount of content, especially the Wii U version. Around 50 characters, plenty of stages, plenty of game modes, both single player and multiplayer, online mode, tons of unlockables and collectibles.

Street Fighter V is getting similar content. They're just letting us get something now.

2. Smash DLC was done after the base game was completed and was released quite some time after the game was released, being done from scratch.

Wrong.

Mewtwo started production before the Wii U version was released.
DLC plans started production before the Wii U version was released.
Miiverse was in a presentable state before the Wii U version's release.
Tournament Mode was in a presentable state before the Wii U version's release.

If you don't think they didn't start on some things until after the game was released, you're very naive.

Street Fighter V and Splatoon? You pay full price for an explicitly incomplete game, essentially a glorified demo, and you have to wait for basic stuff that should have come in the base game.

I heard people say the same for Smash as soon as DLC was announced.

You're getting it for free. Does it matter when?

I see it's acceptable to support developers that release incomplete games now.

This has been said for every DLC plan ever.



WE ARE GETTING THIS STUFF FOR FREE! WHY IS THIS SUDDENLY BAD?

This is like a reverse mortgage. Do you know how many people would love a reverse mortgage?

Capcom, the king of micro transactions are giving us a game where we get things for free. Why is this not being celebrated?

 

[Deleted member]

My only complaint about Fates is how Revelations AKA "totally not the canon choice guys I swear" is DLC and basically makes the other two pointles and you NEED to have one of the two versions to play it
Like, it should just be Birthright and Conquest imo

...Your attempt at humor was little lacking not gonna lie.
Like... A pre-order and what SFV are doing is kinda different. This sarcasm makes little sense in context.

Yeah
At least SFV is giving you part of the game

 

[Champ Gold]

Jesus christ guys I didnt mean to spark all this.

Three full-length games that you pay two games' worth of price for.
Yeah not complaining.

Bull crap. You have to play about the same around for all 3 games. It's just that digitally it's cheaper. But why can't the games be all on one card.

I wouldn't mind if it costed at $50 at the start but sell the full games at the beginning instead of having to find a copy of a physical version of Revelations when it'll be hard to do so and the digital version won't stop until freaking March.

Especially with its DLC plan.

Fates screwed this up in Japan and don't you even compare it to Pokemon because those games are virtually the same while Fates have two/three different games that they are selling like its Pokemon.

It's supposed to be about deciding on a side but you don't even do that in the game unless you buy the full version which is $30 more expensive and less common and harder to buy.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Capcom, the king of micro transactions are giving us a game where we get things for free. Why is this not being celebrated?

You answered your own question

Capcom,

I wonder what would happen if Nintendo did the same with smash. How would people react? I'm sure it would be far more positive.

 

[Schnee117]

This has been said for every DLC plan ever.



WE ARE GETTING THIS STUFF FOR FREE! WHY IS THIS SUDDENLY BAD?

This is like a reverse mortgage. Do you know how many people would love a reverse mortgage?

Capcom, the king of micro transactions are giving us a game where we get things for free. Why is this not being celebrated?

I dunno maybe because the LAUNCH game is DEVOID of NECESSARY CONTENT.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You answered your own question

I wonder what would happen if Nintendo did the same with smash. How would people react? I'm sure it would be far more positive.

They'd support it for months like with Splatoon then only complain after it was all over.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Street Fighter V is getting similar content. They're just letting us get something now.


Wrong.

Mewtwo started production before the Wii U version was released.
DLC plans started before production was released.
Miiverse was in a presentable state before the Wii U version's release.
Tournament Mode was in a presentable state before the Wii U version's release.

If you don't think they didn't start on some things until after the game was released, you're very naive.


I heard people say the same for Smash as soon as DLC was announced.

You're getting it for free. Does it matter when?


This has been said for every DLC plan ever.



WE ARE GETTING THIS STUFF FOR FREE! WHY IS THIS SUDDENLY BAD?

This is like a reverse mortgage. Do you know how many people would love a reverse mortgage?

Capcom, the king of micro transactions are giving us a game where we get things for free. Why is this not being celebrated?

It's because ****ty AAA companies have done this before, only handled it wrong. Capcom is making the microtransaction stuff fair, adding free stuff later on, not having the game be a buggy mess, and TELLING CUSTOMERS BEFORE HAND IN CASE THEY FEEL SCAMMED. Nintendo didn't tell us how little Mario Tennis Ultra Smash had, EA and Ewbi don't say how broken their messes are, Bethesda doesn't warn people about their buggy as **** games, though they don't even try fixing it

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

They'd support it for months like with Splatoon then only complain after it was all over.

I wouldn't support splatoon.

I didn't support splatoon

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I dunno maybe because the LAUNCH game is DEVOID of NECESSARY CONTENT.

Which they...

1. Told us about before hand.
2. Give it to us for free in a timely manner.
3. The game is polished regardless.
4. Go above and beyond with the types of content that are free.
5. Fun game regardless.

 

[Champ Gold]

You answered your own question

I wonder what would happen if Nintendo did the same with smash. How would people react? I'm sure it would be far more positive.

Miffed but buy it at a later date like a SMART person would.

Buying those type of games day one is insane when you can do this:

• Wait
• Find the game at a much cheaper price on a later date
• Makes it much easier to buy any DLC that's needed
• And with the game that ready to go if it has like bugs in them before hand

Or do this:

• Wait for the GOTY Edition

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Here's a thing

IGN recently posted an article asking why Nintendo gets a "free pass" when it comes to HD remakes while other companies get loads of hate

http://www.ign.com/videos/2016/02/09/why-does-nintendo-get-a-pass-on-hd-remakes

Well, why does Nintendo get a pass for releasing unfinished games while others don't

 

[Chrono.]

SFV is getting remaining content for free and what we're getting now are your usual fighting game modes (Arcade which is now Story, Survival, Training and Online).

Next month we're getting Extra Battle, Trials and Lobbies.

One is a new mode, the other is isn't exactly necessary. Lobbies, I'll give you that one.

The only other mode is Cinematic Story mode which is in June, which is hardly necessary to be getting AT THIS MOMENT.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I wouldn't support splatoon.

I didn't support splatoon

Yet enough did to the point Splatoon is one of Nintendo's most successful games period in recent years and a bestseller on the Wii U. The key for why this is okay is context. I'm not gonna lie, I do feel like fans are getting a bit ripped off, but on the other hand, Capcom is trying to get rid of their old nickname from the last 5 years or so. They don't want to be know as Crapcom, the people who didn't add much to the base game, only to make an improved version later, they knew this would harm their image, so again, they warned us.

 

[Deleted member]

Can you believe you have to download DLC to make Xenoblade X load properly? What a ripoff!

 

[Frostwraith]

Actually, Splatoon is WORSE than how SFV is handled. From what I remember, paid DLC is planned for Splatoon and outside of Europe, it was full price. Europe got it half price, just like how SFV seems to be 40 bucks instead of 60. Sure, you CAN use microtransactions in SFV, but the ingame currency is fairly easy to get, and there aren't locked anything under paywalls, like Splatoon with the amiibo stuff. You want that cool Samurai outfit? Pay 16 bucks and it could be yours!

I agree that the whole locking stuff behind amiibo is just as bad as on-disc DLC.

The content is already there, just locked behind a paywall arbitrarily when it could have been available for everyone without the amiibo.

These kind of practices have been making me loose faith in the industry for a while. Nintendo used to be one of the few companies that resisted this plague, though not anymore. They've become just the same.

Man see y'all complain about SFV releasing with limited content Day One and yet forgetting that there's a game coming out this week that did it much worst with its content

Spoiler

One of the several reasons I can't support that game, to be absolutely honest.

Both choices should have been in one game at once. Radiant Dawn had 42 unique chapters, which is just a little less than the total of chapters that Nohr and Hoshido have combined (which is around 50). Yet, it was a full game, priced as a single experience. The GBA games also had multiple paths and such, yet didn't need two separate versions. Did Sacred Stones come with a "Ephraim" and "Eirika" pair of versions? No, it had all the content in one cartridge.

"Oh, but it's like 2 games in one!"

Because games with multiple stories in the same package haven't been done before and charged full price as one game.

It's true: the video game industry has become more scammy and money hungry. It's typical: it grew, it has more people adhering to it and the companies don't waste a single second to find more opportunities to fill up their pockets.

And let's not even get started on the absolute cluster**** that is mobile gaming.

Maybe I'm just getting old. I still am from a time where game cartridges and CDs had all the content and, damn, if we didn't enjoy it.

Well, I'm done with this rant. It's too late in the night for me to be arguing about **** I can't directly change and I need to sleep.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Thinking about SFV now makes me mad I can't play SFV

• Wait
• Find the game at a much cheaper price on a later date

Too bad this is nintendo meaning that price drops take a few decades. Codename Steam, Bayonetta 2, Captain Toad and f smash bros brawl are still $40+ near me.

And that is before the multiple path discounts come into effect making things more annoying.

 

[Deleted member]

Hell, there's online right? That's enough to buy a full priced fighting game for many people, they don't even touch things like arcade mode.

(Which again, is why I can see them releasing it early, that and things like EVO are coming up, it seems like they REALLY want competetove hyped.)

 

[Z25]

SFV's problem is it won't be "complete" for a long time. We don't even know Sakura's relase date to know WHEN it will be complete!

Ugh. Everyone is off complaining about unimportant stuff and no one is complaining about splitting versions. All 3 versions better be ****ing spectacular for this BS.


Anyone know a way I can watch GF without a tv right now? Or later if I have to wait until tomorrow?

This may work if the server's not down:
http://themysteryofgravityfalls.com/stream/

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Here's a thing

IGN recently posted an article asking why Nintendo gets a "free pass" when it comes to HD remakes while other companies get loads of hate

http://www.ign.com/videos/2016/02/09/why-does-nintendo-get-a-pass-on-hd-remakes

Well, why does Nintendo get a pass for releasing unfinished games while others don't

To be fair, its mainly because the games being upgraded (WW and TP) are pretty darn old.

Along with new gameplay features.

Plus people ask for them.

If we got another one immediately though, I'd be concerned.

 

[Schnee117]

Which they...

1. Told us about before hand.
2. Give it to us for free in a timely manner.
3. The game is polished regardless.
4. Go above and beyond with the types of content that are free.
5. Fun game regardless.

If you honestly think that makes it acceptable you need a reality check.

"Oh they told me the game was gutted!"
So? Only points gained are honesty.

"It's free!"
And should have been in the game at launch. Being free doesn't make it better.

"It's functional"
How sad that this has to be said.

"Above and beyond"
With content that should have been in. You want above and beyond DLC? Play Witcher 3.

"Fun"
Yeah and how long does that last?

 

[Substitution]

WE ARE GETTING THIS STUFF FOR FREE! WHY IS THIS SUDDENLY BAD?

This is like a reverse mortgage. Do you know how many people would love a reverse mortgage?

Capcom, the king of micro transactions are giving us a game where we get things for free. Why is this not being celebrated?

And see, here's the problem.
Now while sure, my logic has never always been on-point I'll be honest. But this... This is why we shouldn't celebrate.

Yes. They're giving us stuff for free. ...Things that should already be in the game. Things that by default should already be in the game. Things that are listed in the 101 of "How To Make Video Game".

And yet, you treat it like it's a miracle. Like Capcom is some brilliant inventor for hacking up a game and giving us the bits. That's not praise worthy, we shouldn't praise them for giving us something that should be in the game.


After this post I'm done arguing about this topic, because it's going nowhere fast. But I do want to add one last thing before I go:
http://kotaku.com/microtransactions-coming-to-garden-warfare-this-week-t-1568326126

Now, before you all say "LOL Kotaku". I want you all to read this article. Maybe mentally replace Plants vs Zombies with "SFV" and microtransactions with "hacked up bits" I don't care. But this is the mentality that we've reached to.
And we continue to condone these practices, Lord knows what they'll think up next.

 

[Deleted member]

I agree that the whole locking stuff behind amiibo is just as bad as on-disc DLC.

The content is already there, just locked behind a paywall arbitrarily when it could have been available for everyone without the amiibo.

These kind of practices have been making me loose faith in the industry for a while. Nintendo used to be one of the few companies that resisted this plague, though not anymore. They've become just the same.


One of the several reasons I can't support that game, to be absolutely honest.

Both choices should have been in one game at once. Radiant Dawn had 42 unique chapters, which is just a little less than the total of chapters that Nohr and Hoshido have combined (which is around 5. Yet, it was a full game, priced as a single experience. The GBA games also had multiple paths and such, yet didn't need two separate versions. Did Sacred Stones come with a "Ephraim" and "Eirika" pair of versions? No, it had all the content in one cartridge.

"Oh, but it's like 2 games in one!"

Because games with multiple stories in the same package haven't been done before and charged full price as one game.

It's true: the video game industry has become more scammy and money hungry. It's typical: it grew, it has more people adhering to it and the companies don't waste a single second to find more opportunities to fill up their pockets.

And let's not even get started on the absolute cluster**** that is mobile gaming.

Maybe I'm just getting old. I still am from a time where game cartridges and CDs had all the content and, damn, if we didn't enjoy it.

Well, I'm done with this rant. It's late night for me to be arguing about **** I can't directly change and I need to sleep.

Awakening had 25 main chapters
Fates is about the same thing because it's a handheld game
And this is not counting any paralogues(which are about 15 in each game)
Sacred Stones has 27 chapters total
And one side chapter
Only thing surpasses other FE is the amount of post game content

 

[Champ Gold]

Thinking about SFV now makes me mad I can't play SFV
Too bad this is nintendo meaning that price drops take a few decades. Codename Steam, Bayonetta 2, Captain Toad and f smash bros brawl are still $40+ near me.

And that is before the multiple path discounts come into effect making things more annoying.

That's your fault for going to GameStop and Wal-Mart where the Nintendo games never drop their prices. Go to Best Buy and those Brick and Mortar stores where those games are a lot cheaper.

Although GameStop has some sales on Nintendo games most cases.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Go to Best Buy and those Brick and Mortar stores where those games are a lot cheaper.

My hometown is in the middle of nowhere. I have neither of those. Except one shop that manages to give worse deals that gamestop. I don't like game shopping while at college either.

"Fun"
Yeah and how long does that last?

It's a fighting game

Rough estimation.

Until Street Fighter 6 releases and beyond.


If anything DLC will keep things fresh.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That's your fault for going to GameStop and Wal-Mart where the Nintendo games never drop their prices. Go to Best Buy and those Brick and Mortar stores where those games are a lot cheaper.

Although GameStop has some sales on Nintendo games most cases.

They also release later

The only reason I got pokemon Y on time is because I work there and convince the employee that it WAS the release date

They didn't let ANYONE else buy the game that day. They were instructed after I bought it that it was to be released the following Monday

 

[Chrono.]

Hell, there's online right? That's enough to buy a full priced fighting game for many people, they don't even touch things like arcade mode.

(Which again, is why I can see them releasing it early, that and things like EVO are coming up, it seems like they REALLY want competetove hyped.)

Yeah, the game is definitely more geared towards the FGC rather than the casual audience (the CFN thing is more than proof of it).

We eSports now

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Nintendo used to be one of the few companies that resisted this plague.

First of all, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Wii disks have more data than 3DS cartridges? Because you're Radiant Dawn comparison might not exactly work, I remember the 3DS being called a handheld gamecube in terms of what the system could run, not entirely fair comparing a Wii game then
This is exactly why it's 'okay' when Nintendo does it yet Capcom is getting bashed. Nintendo made that reputation yet didn't do any of that stuff, until recently. Granted, they aren't as bad as most companies but they're starting to do this a little. Microsoft has actually tried loads of damage control recently, yet if there's any controversy on a new IP or whatever, they'll get bashed, because of what they did in the past. Capcom was known to be scummy a while back, and they're trying to rebuild trust like this, but because fans aren't happy with the warning, they're being compared to back when you could unironically call them Crapcom

 

[Schnee117]

It's a fighting game

Rough estimation.

Until Street Fighter 6 releases and beyond

Rough estimation for the average buyer: After they've done everything and then some.
A few months at most.
Smash doesn't have me playing much despite Corrin and Bayo being recently released and I'm not the average buyer.