Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm watching a French video on Yo-kai Watch right now. Interestingly enough reading through the comments, France seem to be very open about Yo-kai Watch, they seem to love Japanese culture games more than any part of Europe.

Ironic, considering the stereotype 'Only french or I won't listen' is true

 

[SuperMii3D]

I really want to buy Fates, but at the same time I dont really want to spend more money to buy all the extra content that completes t he story. I can easily buy the base game, since I have $20 in-tore credit for Gamestop and someone owes me $20 because I let them borrow it for lunch. But then came along Conquest and DLC. I also want some FE amiibo for it.

Also, Corrin is still great. I find it easier to fight against other Corrins in For Glory. Most of my deaths have come from the dang 3D Land stage and its janky Omega stage. Dragon Ascent isnt the best for recovery. Dragon Fanging on a wall is glorious. Best recovery.

 

[Substitution]

I'm probably gonna wait on the consensus for the game when it comes out. I've been needing to play an FE game and I might as well try it out.
Who knows, maybe it'll be neat.

 

[Frostwraith]

I'm watching a French video on Yo-kai Watch right now. Interestingly enough reading through the comments, France seem to be very open about Yo-kai Watch, they seem to love Japanese culture games more than any part of Europe.

Japanese stuff is hugely popular in France.

Anime was popular over there before it was everywhere else in the West. In terms of video games, Nintendo has a strong presence, but Sony is also quite popular as far as I know.

 

[Aetheri]

I really want to buy Fates, but at the same time I dont really want to spend more money to buy all the extra content that completes t he story. I can easily buy the base game, since I have $20 in-tore credit for Gamestop and someone owes me $20 because I let them borrow it for lunch. But then came along Conquest and DLC. I also want some FE amiibo for it.

Also, Corrin is still great. I find it easier to fight against other Corrins in For Glory. Most of my deaths have come from the dang 3D Land stage and its janky Omega stage. Dragon Ascent isnt the best for recovery. Dragon Fanging on a wall is glorious. Best recovery.

I'm in a similar boat where I want to get the game...but don't know which version to get, as well as the fact that I'd rather have the full experience rather part of it...and my financial situation calls for me to be a bit more picky about what I buy...

Especially when I'm anxiously awaiting the upcoming TPHD(+amiibo) and Pokken Tournament...although there are many other titles out there I want to get but haven't yet...

Ehh...I'm probably gonna end up buying all of the versions anyways...because I'm a sucker like that...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If you want Fates but don't know which version to buy, it's simple! Pick Nohr because **** the Hoshido plebs what are you looking for? Do you want an easier time, in which you can grind aswell if desired, or do you want to be kicked down to the curb unless you play your cards well? I'm going for Nohr first as I love the strategic additions, especially Personal Skills

 

[Coricus]

I mean, is there any reason you think one shouldn't be in? I can accept lack of popularity in Japan as a big point standing in his way, but when Scorpion's got so many things that both make him a gaming icon and that tie his history to not just Nintendo but gaming as a whole, your reasoning against it being just "I cringe" and "have no need to be in Smash" just kinda falls on deaf ears here.

It's less of reasoning and more of "I don't wanna".

To be fair, the reasoning against ANY character provided by nearly ANYONE nearly always boils down to "I don't wanna."

And the reasoning FOR characters typically boils down to either "I just/am going to play(ed) this game" or "Muh Childhood."

 

[A Distant Demon]

If you want Fates but don't know which version to buy, it's simple! Pick Nohr because **** the Hoshido plebs what are you looking for? Do you want an easier time, in which you can grind aswell if desired, or do you want to be kicked down to the curb unless you play your cards well? I'm going for Nohr first as I love the strategic additions, especially Personal Skills

I want the whole story.
The WHOLE story.

This is why i've been mad about multiple versions sine the beginning because I knew damn well I was buying them both. . .an then they announced a third >_>


I may buy Birthright first to play the inferior game and save the better game for second lol.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Holy ****. I can safely say Bayo's gonna get nerfed now

 

[A Distant Demon]

Holy ****. I can safely say Bayo's gonna get nerfed now

The thumbnail being VS Jiggly makes me question your OP claim

i got straps if yall need trappin off smash boards

. . .ok
anyway. Welcome to Smashboards! Just a heads up. Use the edit feature instead of posting a second time if you are the most recent post. "double posting" is agains the rules.


"(Note: sec^2 = sec^2)"

Thank you math homework. I never would have guessed that terms mean what they mean!

 

[Coricus]

@Metalbrosisabattyman you really shouldn't triple post, the mods are going to be all over that like honey on biscuits.

Someone already said it, but it's the one thing everyone messes up.

On that note,

Welcome to the party.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The thumbnail being VS Jiggly makes me question your OP claim

Tink is used first, and be honest, it's better than Sheik everywhere. Not to mention this Puff is pretty damn good

 

[Champ Gold]

I mean, is there any reason you think one shouldn't be in? I can accept lack of popularity in Japan as a big point standing in his way, but when Scorpion's got so many things that both make him a gaming icon and that tie his history to not just Nintendo but gaming as a whole, your reasoning against it being just "I cringe" and "have no need to be in Smash" just kinda falls on deaf ears here.

It's less of reasoning and more of "I don't wanna".

• He's from a western based franchise that does like trash in Japan
• It has video game history but the history with Nintendo is so goddamn negative that it hurts them.
• You're going to get a much more Injustice like Scorpion where it's censored.
• He's from a franchise where the only thing it was known for was the violence and while that's big for the creation of the ESRB, that's mostly a western thing
• While a lot of franchises can fit into Smash well, MK is one of those series that just couldn't fit
• You think Konami is bad now, try getting through WB Games which is a massive ***** of a company and there are even bigger scumbags (see their PC ports, optimization, dropped all DLC content on Injustice for Wii U and their DLC plans and content)
• The minor and less demand for the series.
• It'll Jack the rating up to a Teen Rating (any cameo MK characters made always jacked the rating up. Bayonetta barely went through but was censored in a sense to keep that rating overall. MLB Slugfest had Sub-Zero and Scorpion as secret characters and the rating had to jump to a T.
• He just overall doesn't fit that audience and isn't worth putting in.

Those are just the main reasons and there's many more. The only reason I feel like the possibility of that is because of Ryu being in Smash. Not everyone can get in and not anybody can just be in the game.

 

[A Distant Demon]

yo like why u hating

I'm just trying to help you out. Better to be given a warning from a member than a mod

 

[Khoru]

It'll Jack the rating up to a Teen Rating (any cameo MK characters made always jacked the rating up. Bayonetta barely went through but was censored in a sense to keep that rating overall. MLB Slugfest had Sub-Zero and Scorpion as secret characters and the rating had to jump to a T.

was that before e10+ existed though

 

[Strofirko]

I think puppet accounts are illegal yo.

 

[Metalbro]

That guy is my cousin and hes obviously trolling hence his username. Just report him and ignore.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That guy is my cousin and hes obviously trolling hence his username. Just report him and ignore.

inb4 you two match IPs as mods can do that lol.

 

[Kenith]

So me and my friend did double co-op classic mode.
We kicked ass, but we got a bunch of equipment pieces.

All of them shoes.

I think the game's trying to tell us something.

 

[Aetheri]

If you want Fates but don't know which version to buy, it's simple! Pick Nohr because **** the Hoshido plebs what are you looking for? Do you want an easier time, in which you can grind aswell if desired, or do you want to be kicked down to the curb unless you play your cards well? I'm going for Nohr first as I love the strategic additions, especially Personal Skills

I want the whole story.
The WHOLE story.

This is why i've been mad about multiple versions sine the beginning because I knew damn well I was buying them both. . .an then they announced a third >_>


I may buy Birthright first to play the inferior game and save the better game for second lol.

This^...
I want to have access to any difficulty, and I want the full experience from the game's story....to basically buy three versions of the same game just to get the full experience is a little upsetting...

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@Metalbrosisabattyman
Please stop...

 

[Frostwraith]

The account has been banned as the sole purpose behind its creation was spamming. Carry on.

 

[A Distant Demon]

A single page. That might be a new record for account length.
EDIT wait no Rayman thread had like 4 accounts that lasted a single post. Rayman leak was a weird time.

Apparently a video of Bernie Sanders running to catch a train has become both news-worthy, and meme-worthy.

US politics are weird.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

Tink is used first, and be honest, it's better than Sheik everywhere. Not to mention this Puff is pretty damn good

eh im still not sure.That bayonetta got spamming witch time which really isnt a good option and that jigglypuff was atleast average.I think bayonetta has a future but lets give it a month but we go making claims.Remember how good that ended last time

 

[Champ Gold]

was that before e10+ existed though

Sort of. But Scorpion and Sub-Zero were in all of the games starting with 2004 and Loaded. Even then, MK characters will always jack up the rating. Especially considering Slugfest and sports games like those never go above a E rating despite any over the top violence to be able to sell to kids or even E10+.

Take example the NFL Street games.
The third installment came out in 2006, a year after E10+ was introduced.

It has massive violent hits and some cases tackles that would jump it up a rating but it was kept at an E rating.

Long story short; Yhe MK characters existed in those past games before and after the introduction and the ratings never changed. It was always at a T rating

 

[BluePikmin11]

Check out this week's Mother 3 Miiverse drawings here!:
http://smashboards.com/threads/join...-mother-3-miiverse-drawing-highlights.428577/

Check out this week's Yo-kai Watch Miiverse drawings here!:
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...rope-spring-2016.421559/page-12#post-20844997

 

[Curious Villager]

Turns out the big angels do appear in the 3DS version. I'm not sure why I didn't catch this until now..... Then again, I didn't get around to playing the 3DS version as much the past few days.....

 

[SuperMii3D]

I'm in a similar boat where I want to get the game...but don't know which version to get, as well as the fact that I'd rather have the full experience rather part of it...and my financial situation calls for me to be a bit more picky about what I buy...

Especially when I'm anxiously awaiting the upcoming TPHD(+amiibo) and Pokken Tournament...although there are many other titles out there I want to get but haven't yet...

Ehh...I'm probably gonna end up buying all of the versions anyways...because I'm a sucker like that...

Same here, I want Pokken and everything that Fates has to offer. RIP Wallet and social life (Cause that stuff aint free). Also, theres probably lots of other Pokemon stuff that I want this year as well, like Pokemon Yellow on VC is also on my list of wants.

If you want Fates but don't know which version to buy, it's simple! Pick Nohr because **** the Hoshido plebs what are you looking for? Do you want an easier time, in which you can grind aswell if desired, or do you want to be kicked down to the curb unless you play your cards well? I'm going for Nohr first as I love the strategic additions, especially Personal Skills

Skrub here, I want to go Hoshido cause I want an easy time And For Glory is a Smash thing. Ill buy Conquest once Im done with Birthright. .

 

[Frostwraith]

Turns out the big angels do appear in the 3DS version. I'm not sure why I didn't catch this until now..... Then again, I didn't get around to playing the 3DS version as much the past few days.....

Yeah, but they don't approach the stage as they do in the Wii U version.

They only make a passing appearance far away in the background, flying briefly.

 

[Wolfie557]

So.......any ideas/rumors on when the next Direct will be?
I really only want to know the following:

• FE Fates EU release date
• Starfox Zero trailer to see how much they have failed and/or improved.
• Release schedule for Bayonetta & Corrin amiibo's.
• Another Zelda U teaser like last time.

Japanese stuff is hugely popular in France.

Anime was popular over there before it was everywhere else in the West. In terms of video games, Nintendo has a strong presence, but Sony is also quite popular as far as I know.

PS & Sony(tho not in UK cos Samsung) in general are very popular throughout Europe.

 

[Curious Villager]

Yeah, but they don't approach the stage as they do in the Wii U version.

They only make a passing appearance far away in the background, flying briefly.

It's kinda ironic how I find them pretty distracting in the Wii U version yet I barely notice them at all in the 3DS version.

Then again, screen size and whatnot, and, their just sprites in the 3DS version.....

 

[Luigi The President]

For real though guys, Master Chief really should be in.

Far less seen as "M" then Scorpion, appeals to the demographic of Smash; Awesome space dude with futuristic guns? Everyone loves that. Very well known, an icon of shooters...

 

[Wolfie557]

For real though guys, Master Chief really should be in.

Far less seen as "M" then Scorpion, appeals to the demographic of Smash; Awesome space dude with futuristic guns? Everyone loves that. Very well known, an icon of shooters...

One name: Microsoft.

 

[Kenith]

For real though guys, Master Chief really should be in.

Far less seen as "M" then Scorpion, appeals to the demographic of Smash; Awesome space dude with futuristic guns? Everyone loves that. Very well known, an icon of shooters...

appeals to the demographic of Smash

An icon of a competing console (the Xbox) isn't my idea of "appealing to the demographic of Smash" which is Nintendo fans.

 

[Khoru]

a scrapped pitch totally counts as a game on nintendo consoles, right guys

 

[ChikoLad]

To be fair, the reasoning against ANY character provided by nearly ANYONE nearly always boils down to "I don't wanna."

And the reasoning FOR characters typically boils down to either "I just/am going to play(ed) this game" or "Muh Childhood."

This seems like a low tier memetic generalisation.

I know I can come up with reasonings, so I will bite. Maybe some discussion will come from others on this too.

Why I would like to see some characters and why I think they would be cool/make sense

Spoiler

Captain Toad: People may think Mario is over-repped but it's literally Nintendo's flagship franchise, of course it's going to have the most characters. Other than this, Captain Toad is a good way to fulfill the more than a decade old request of adding a Toad to the game, WITHOUT needing to change Peach's Neutral B. He is also a well established character in his own right in terms of personality, having been well characterised between the Galaxy games and his own game. Moveset wise, there are a good number of potential things to pull from, people have made a few reasonable movesets for him, and he could be a really fun, quirky addition. This is also an addition that has a wider appeal than most options. With the influx of niche, anime styled characters we have had in this iteration of Smash, especially with DLC, the next Smash could stand to put some more focus on cartoony characters that are more well known and beloved to the wider audience. Captain Toad is a first party that fits that bill. Even if the character himself wasn't well known (and he is), he is extremely recognisable by virtue of being a Toad character. Toadette (who is also a rising side character in the Mario franchise lately) could also be an easy alt, so you get a two-in-one deal here.

Henry Fleming: Yes his game didn't do well, and there has been no word of a sequel yet (though the ending hints towards one). But he wouldn't be the first character from a poorly performing game to get into Smash (hell, Bayonetta somehow managed to win the ballot despite her games not doing well, especially Bayonetta 2). Plus, we can look at it from the angle that Smash could be used to breathe life into Codename STEAM, as it did with Fire Emblem and Xenoblade Chronicles (and probably will do with Bayonetta), in terms of getting more people to pay attention to the games and encouraging sequels. Nintendo totally did not bother much with marketing Codename STEAM, but Smash is a way for them to market it pretty naturally. Aside from all of this though, he covers a lot of criteria that a new Smash game is inevitably going to have to use when thinking of new fighter additions - he introduces a new franchise and universe, would come with a stage, music, and trophy selection that might not be there otherwise, and can provide a totally unique play style that no other character can due to the Steam mechanic from his game (except for other Codename STEAM characters, but Henry is to his game what Marth is to Fire Emblem, so Henry is gonna be the first choice here). He could also be a cool ranged fighter, an archetype that I feel is still relatively unexplored in Smash compared to other archetypes (like brawlers and swordfighters), which could be diversified by him using multiple sub-weapons from his game for some attacks.

Inklings: I haven't even played Splatoon yet, but out of all the potential newcomers for a new game, they feel like they are the biggest no-brainer. It's a highly successful new IP that doesn't seem like it's going to lose steam any time soon, and the characters are a large part of the charm for many it seems. Nintendo also seems to clearly want to keep going with this franchise with all of the licensing they've been doing with it lately. Smash 4 may have been just a tad too early for them for one reason or another (maybe the current engine wasn't powerful enough? I could see Sakurai wanting to keep the ink effects on characters and stages when they are shot with ink, for example), but by the time the next game rolls around I'm sure there will be less problems, it seems only natural. In terms of play style, they could also beef up the ranged fighter represntation while still being very unique by having the Squid transformation mechanic to swim around ink somehow. I basically think Inklings are the same as Henry Fleming, in that they have so much new things they can offer, but make even more sense because of Splatoon being so successful. Plus, they already have a trophy and Mii costume in Smash, so their foot is already in the door.

Rayman: I feel like he's the Inkling of the third parties. I know people generally say that only Japanese third-parties could get in, but I feel like that won't matter so much anymore since I honestly feel, at this point, we already have the Japanese giants of gaming + Bayonetta (of course we are missing Snake in Smash 4 and I would love him too but we'll have to wait and see what happens with his franchise first). Anyone else is going into either redundant territory (Tekken characters could be cool and are iconic but Ryu is the fighting game rep), niche territory, or would be a second rep from an already represented franchise (like Tails, Knuckles, or Eggman from Sonic). Certain characters like Layton and Sora might be close enough but they have their own problems. Plus, he obviously gained a huge following in the Smash community over the course of this iteration of Smash. And to top it all off, (his non-existent) LEG is already in the door, as he not only has his own trophy, but so do two other characters from his franchise! Since the Japanese giants are pretty much covered, Rayman seems like the next logical step. Plus, his moveset is LITERALLY already made, more or less. His moveset in Rayman Legends could cover the entirety of his normals alone. And then his specials need only reference some of the more classic/staple Rayman moves like Lum Throw and using his fist as a missile/boomerang of sorts. He also just fits right in with many of the Nintendo characters. He's a classic, cartoony platformer character, which the Smash/Nintendo community love.

All I'm doing for now since I spent more time on this than I intended, lol, wanna do something else now.

 

[Luigi The President]

An icon of a competing console (the Xbox) isn't my idea of "appealing to the demographic of Smash" which is Nintendo fans.

Demographic as in, age demographic. I've seen Smash players who oddly enough do not like Nintendo. Plus, that's only one point, you didn't say a word about the other ones so if you want to refute that one point then go ahead but I don't see a problem with my overall argument.

One name: Microsoft.

Except Microsoft has worked time and time again with Nintendo on numerous projects

 

[Wolfie557]

Demographic as in, age demographic. I've seen Smash players who oddly enough do not like Nintendo. Plus, that's only one point, you didn't say a word about the other ones so if you want to refute that one point then go ahead but I don't see a problem with my overall argument.


Except Microsoft has worked time and time again with Nintendo on numerous projects

Except Smash for obvious reasons, well, Phil Spencer would want to but Nintendo can't possibly be that stupid. It would benefit MS far more than it would Nintendo. End of.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Check out this week's #smashbros #miiverse drawings here:
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...munity-1-16-2016.337642/page-12#post-20845237
​

 

[Coricus]

One incredible lack of an attempt at drawing later. . .

Then again if I actually tried it would probably never get done.

Now I have someplace tangible to put any character or item concepts. . .kind of.

This seems like a low tier memetic generalisation.

I know I can come up with reasonings, so I will bite. Maybe some discussion will come from others on this too.

Why I would like to see some characters and why I think they would be cool/make sense

Spoiler

Captain Toad: People may think Mario is over-repped but it's literally Nintendo's flagship franchise, of course it's going to have the most characters. Other than this, Captain Toad is a good way to fulfill the more than a decade old request of adding a Toad to the game, WITHOUT needing to change Peach's Neutral B. He is also a well established character in his own right in terms of personality, having been well characterised between the Galaxy games and his own game. Moveset wise, there are a good number of potential things to pull from, people have made a few reasonable movesets for him, and he could be a really fun, quirky addition. This is also an addition that has a wider appeal than most options. With the influx of niche, anime styled characters we have had in this iteration of Smash, especially with DLC, the next Smash could stand to put some more focus on cartoony characters that are more well known and beloved to the wider audience. Captain Toad is a first party that fits that bill. Even if the character himself wasn't well known (and he is), he is extremely recognisable by virtue of being a Toad character. Toadette (who is also a rising side character in the Mario franchise lately) could also be an easy alt, so you get a two-in-one deal here.

Henry Fleming: Yes his game didn't do well, and there has been no word of a sequel yet (though the ending hints towards one). But he wouldn't be the first character from a poorly performing game to get into Smash (hell, Bayonetta somehow managed to win the ballot despite her games not doing well, especially Bayonetta 2). Plus, we can look at it from the angle that Smash could be used to breathe life into Codename STEAM, as it did with Fire Emblem and Xenoblade Chronicles (and probably will do with Bayonetta), in terms of getting more people to pay attention to the games and encouraging sequels. Nintendo totally did not bother much with marketing Codename STEAM, but Smash is a way for them to market it pretty naturally. Aside from all of this though, he covers a lot of criteria that a new Smash game is inevitably going to have to use when thinking of new fighter additions - he introduces a new franchise and universe, would come with a stage, music, and trophy selection that might not be there otherwise, and can provide a totally unique play style that no other character can due to the Steam mechanic from his game (except for other Codename STEAM characters, but Henry is to his game what Marth is to Fire Emblem, so Henry is gonna be the first choice here). He could also be a cool ranged fighter, an archetype that I feel is still relatively unexplored in Smash compared to other archetypes (like brawlers and swordfighters), which could be diversified by him using multiple sub-weapons from his game for some attacks.

Inklings: I haven't even played Splatoon yet, but out of all the potential newcomers for a new game, they feel like they are the biggest no-brainer. It's a highly successful new IP that doesn't seem like it's going to lose steam any time soon, and the characters are a large part of the charm for many it seems. Nintendo also seems to clearly want to keep going with this franchise with all of the licensing they've been doing with it lately. Smash 4 may have been just a tad too early for them for one reason or another (maybe the current engine wasn't powerful enough? I could see Sakurai wanting to keep the ink effects on characters and stages when they are shot with ink, for example), but by the time the next game rolls around I'm sure there will be less problems, it seems only natural. In terms of play style, they could also beef up the ranged fighter represntation while still being very unique by having the Squid transformation mechanic to swim around ink somehow. I basically think Inklings are the same as Henry Fleming, in that they have so much new things they can offer, but make even more sense because of Splatoon being so successful. Plus, they already have a trophy and Mii costume in Smash, so their foot is already in the door.

Rayman: I feel like he's the Inkling of the third parties. I know people generally say that only Japanese third-parties could get in, but I feel like that won't matter so much anymore since I honestly feel, at this point, we already have the Japanese giants of gaming + Bayonetta (of course we are missing Snake in Smash 4 and I would love him too but we'll have to wait and see what happens with his franchise first). Anyone else is going into either redundant territory (Tekken characters could be cool and are iconic but Ryu is the fighting game rep), niche territory, or would be a second rep from an already represented franchise (like Tails, Knuckles, or Eggman from Sonic). Certain characters like Layton and Sora might be close enough but they have their own problems. Plus, he obviously gained a huge following in the Smash community over the course of this iteration of Smash. And to top it all off, (his non-existent) LEG is already in the door, as he not only has his own trophy, but so do two other characters from his franchise! Since the Japanese giants are pretty much covered, Rayman seems like the next logical step. Plus, his moveset is LITERALLY already made, more or less. His moveset in Rayman Legends could cover the entirety of his normals alone. And then his specials need only reference some of the more classic/staple Rayman moves like Lum Throw and using his fist as a missile/boomerang of sorts. He also just fits right in with many of the Nintendo characters. He's a classic, cartoony platformer character, which the Smash/Nintendo community love.

All I'm doing for now since I spent more time on this than I intended, lol, wanna do something else now.

Darnit, why does everything I say always sound like it's trolling? I'm just fed up with people claiming inflated opinions without even bothering to explain the logic behind them. You DID explain your platform, so here's a cookie to go along with my apology letter.

Also get Splatoon if you can, your argument for them will only get stronger with hands-on experience and it's a pretty good game to boot.

 

[ChikoLad]

Except Smash for obvious reasons, well, Phil Spencer would want to but Nintendo can't possibly be that stupid. It would benefit MS far more than it would Nintendo. End of.

I'm not necessarily gonna argue for Master Chief's inclusion but in Brawl did far more for Sony than it did for Nintendo. may also end up backfiring on them, since ultimately, SEGA still owns her and can decide to put her next game on other platforms.

Ultimately it doesn't really matter who it benefits. While Nintendo might show some resistance to certain picks, Sakurai obviously is held in enough esteem within the company that he can get characters in even in unlikely circumstances. And Sakurai is ultimately a freelance worker, it doesn't concern him if a character inclusion benefits Nintendo since he doesn't work for them.